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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans and even Fox are flipping,
We can't allow them to backtrack. It is extremely unpopular right now to be pro-Putin, pro-Russia and that is the only reason we are seeing GQP politicians saying bad things about Putin and Russia.
I have a solution to end their hypocrisy;
What do you think about Speaker Pelosi writing up a resolution, not only condemning Putin and the Russian invasion, but condemning Trump's praise of Putin. Put the resolution up for a vote on the House floor, force Republicans to publicly denounce Trump.
Anyone have the Speaker's phone number so I can suggest this?
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Sorry, I don't have phone #.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)also she is on Twitter as @SpeakerPelosi
Both would go to her staff, but then, s would a phone call. And I'd have confidence in her staff.
mucifer
(23,525 posts)underpants
(182,763 posts)White people suffering on TV. Not good for their audience. Throw in the old people who grew up hating Russia. Im working on a post about this.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)It's easy to compare Putin to Castro.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)oldsoftie
(12,530 posts)And Castro did his fair share of sending troops into other countries.
IronLionZion
(45,425 posts)But the Cuban-Americans supported Trump who openly supported Putin
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)tavernier
(12,376 posts)Already Im hearing anger at Putin from my Cuban friends and neighbors, and thats a first.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Because Putin is more like Batista or Pinochet then Castro.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)And is one of the nations that has sided with Russia at least rhetorically in its invasion of Ukraine
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)He tried a coup to stay in office, failed badly.
Putin thought he would win his war quickly. Both were wrong. Romney calling Putin a small, evil, ferret eyed man. Trump is a bloated, lying evil man.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)True Blue American
(17,984 posts)soldierant
(6,846 posts)Ferrets' eyes, even though somewhat beady, have sould behind them Heck, actual goass beads have souls benind them compared to Putin.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Beady eyes, soul less. Nothing there. The eyes are the soul of the body.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)as having no whites.
The dictionary also says "small" and adds "glittering," and then seperately as a second meaning says "filled with malice." But there are probablly many variants in actual usage.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Thus soul less!
Samrob
(4,298 posts)Skittles
(153,147 posts)knowing that a good portion of Faux News viewers are my age and older, I cannot see how they could easily flip from despising Russia to cheering for / excusing them.....no I cannot
OLDMDDEM
(1,572 posts)The president needs to speak about Ukraine at the SOTUS and ask everyone to stand that supports Ukraine.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)OLDMDDEM
(1,572 posts)It will show who is for, or against, Russia. I thought of it about 2:00 this morning. I hope he does it.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)if Republicans are sincere about denouncing Putin and Russia then they need to denounce their leader's praise of Putin.
OLDMDDEM
(1,572 posts)Will they. This is a way to find out.
oldsoftie
(12,530 posts)wnylib
(21,428 posts)oldsoftie
(12,530 posts)KS Toronado
(17,198 posts)If I was in a huge crowd (like what's going to be there) and was asked to stand in support of anything
and noticed everyone but me was standing, I'd get up too as not to look like the idiot. Getting these
Russian/Putler lovers to stand up would erase what's being said about them, plus they would call it
fake Liberal news.
Let's give 'em more rope to hang themselves.
OLDMDDEM
(1,572 posts)I emailed the President this morning asking him to do that. We'll see.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)Without the Voting Rights Act passed & signed to save democracy here, we're effed.
doc03
(35,325 posts)Especially that f--g moron and others that want to invade Canada or support white supremacy.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)KPN
(15,642 posts)onetexan
(13,036 posts)niyad
(113,257 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)niyad
(113,257 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)I always read your posts and they convey you to be a thoughtful person and lover of animals. I'm feeling something positive in the air lately since this latest and tragic conflict abroad. How about you?
niyad
(113,257 posts)correct, there is indeed something positive, at least for the moment. People are coming together in recognition of our common humanity. Will it last? One lives in hope.
wnylib
(21,428 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)kentuck
(111,078 posts)Watching their favorite "truthtellers" do an about-face so quickly?
Where is their wanna-be Putin? Does he still think Putin is a "genius"?
Aren't they really nothing more than two peas in a pod?
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)when he said that praise of Putin was "almost" traitorous. Speaker Pelosi should build on that by doing a resolution, it could actually divide Republicans.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)And does not want to say or do anything that will further divide the nation at this time?
Although I think your idea has a great deal of merit.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)Supporting the leader of a nation that is our enemy and with whom we are at warnot militarily but on other fronts like Putins cyber attacks and our sanctions against him and Russiais treasonous. We need a new definition of war. In the past, it always involved physical attacks, but cyber attacks have gotten worse and they can cause damage just as much as a bomb, as the attack of Colonial Pipeline demonstrated by putting it out of commission for several days.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)His Putin, small, evil, ferret eyed man played over and over.
I listened to Fox yesterday. They back Ukraine. Probably had whiplash from the sudden turn!
wnylib
(21,428 posts)of Trump and Putin. They should be shown everywhere, all the time now.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)As long as there are sanctions, there will be no more Russian money going into their pockets. They want this over with fast. They don't really care if Putin stays in power. Some other Russian oligarch will take his place.
As for asking Speaker Pelosi to condemn Trump I don't know if that would work.
To contact her, start here: 202-224-3121. That is the number for the House of representatives. The contact form on her own website is for her constituents only - https://www.speaker.gov/contact
bucolic_frolic
(43,126 posts)Boots on the ground, engage with the fiercest of all weapons, truth and logic. March!
Emile
(22,664 posts)gab13by13
(21,303 posts)that Trump just won the straw poll at CPAC. He is the leading GQP presidential candidate for 2024. The American voters need to know if Republicans are going to condemn Trump's praise of Putin. Trump did not condemn Putin, Trump condemned the invasion.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)boyedav1969
(93 posts)...we hang Trump/Putin around their necks this fall and again in 2024.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)will try to blame president Biden for mishandling the Russian invasion. The opposite is the truth. President Biden was the leader in keeping NATO and our coalition together. President Biden convinced Germany to abandon the gas pipeline, convinced Germany to do SWIFT. Now Germany is one of the leading countries combatting Putin.
Finland is getting ready to vote to join NATO and Sweden may be next. President Biden repaired all of the damage that Trump did to NATO and to our allies, but Republicans are going to say that Trump would have done a better job.
We need to get them on record now, condemning Trump's praise of Putin.
quakerboy
(13,919 posts)It's their purposeful sabotage of progress that armed putins army.
Literally it's built on oil money.
And the hesitation of Europe to pre arm Ukraine was built on their dependence on Russian oil.
If they hadn't ripped down the solar panels and fought against efficiency at every step.. we wouldn't have had to pay for Russian oil. We'd have extra domestic oil to cover any allies in need.
If trump hadn't pointlessly blown up our tenuous relationship with iran, we might have access to their oil by now.
If republicans weren't so set on punishing Venezuela for not being run by the right wing, we would probably have access to their oil.
Instead, because or rw ideology, we've spent the past few decades paying for putins army.
multigraincracker
(32,671 posts)Link to tweet
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oldsoftie
(12,530 posts)I like the one of Putin with trump on his lap as a crying baby.
wishstar
(5,268 posts)such as lift sanctions, drop out of Nato, agree with Putin that Russia didn't interfere with 2016 elections- at one point Trump even seemed willing to extradite Michael McFaul, our former Russian ambassador and Putin foe, to Russia over false accusations from Putin.
oldsoftie
(12,530 posts)MissMillie
(38,548 posts)I think it elevates TFG.
I mean, is her resolution going to condemn ALL private citizens on this issue?
I understand the impulse but singling him out has implications, IMHO. The Speaker of the House should embrace the idea that she has more important things to worry about.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)He just won the CPAC straw poll which means he is the leading GQP presidential candidate in 2024. Trump is a former president who inserted himself into the Ukraine invasion. Trump took the side of our enemy, even Mitt Romney called his praise of Putin almost treason.
MissMillie
(38,548 posts)The Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America gives him the credence of singling him out.
I said I understand the impulse. I just don't like the symbolism.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)Hopefully, someone in Pelosi's district will send this suggestion to her.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)Her Congressional seat office: https://pelosi.house.gov/
Speaker's Office: https://www.speaker.gov/
See "Contact" pages on above web sites.
KY
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)Trump's praise of Putin.
Hope the idea gets communicated and Pelosi et al run with it ASAP.
Impressive reactions so far by Biden et al to the Ukraine criminal crisis.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)but I guarantee that the GQP will try to blame him for the invasion. If Republicans are sincere in condemning Putin they can show it by voting on the House floor.
llashram
(6,265 posts)can be played over and over again. Fox and its pundits, especially Comrade Carlson, will not be able to spin their lies. They are damned for eternity. I wonder how they will react when Putin and trump attack, literally, the U.S.?
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Lincoln Project will hopefully work on it.
hadEnuf
(2,187 posts)the US government and a fair presidential election. He should be labeled as such without question.
No more revisionist history or GQP amnesia. That's what he and his followers are: a foreign and domestic danger to American democracy.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)could call or email the Speaker's office with the suggestion to condemn Putin, the invasion, and Trump's praise of Putin.
It is easy to email her, or call her. I think it would help if more people contacted her.
Hey, she is the best Speaker ever, if this is a dumb idea she will act accordingly.
randr
(12,409 posts)He should call for all who support to stand and those who will not stand should be ushered out the door.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Only the situation in the Ukraine. If you build that up only everyone knows Trump is not on that bandwagon.
The last thing we want to do is alienate anyone where there is a possibility they may turn on him.
randr
(12,409 posts)I have no sense of responsibility to help the asshole out of their own dilemma.
Fuck em, show the world who they are and what we think of them.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Let Biden be a voice that attempts to unite. Let others point out the treasonous and hypocritical behavior of many republican on this matter.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)gab13by13
(21,303 posts)time to sanction them.
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)certainty of their base's vote all in one fell swoop. Genius........and so sneaky, too. Where do I sign?
Beakybird
(3,332 posts)Don't score political points as long as the Republicans are saying and doing the right thing on this issue. Otherwise, they might rebel or do sneaky stuff.
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)and I guarantee you will hear them say things like, president Biden did a terrible job in Ukraine. Trump would have stopped the invasion.
I guarantee they will flip again in 2024 and renew their fealty to Trump. Get them on record now while the invasion is going on.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)criticism and rejection are the wrong response.
Eyes on the prize: Our nation.
renate
(13,776 posts)Let the midterm commercials do the naming and shaming. They would totally lose their effect if the GOP can point to an official change in their position.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)the nukes are aimed at YOU.
BumRushDaShow
(128,831 posts)and get co-sponsors, and move it through the process.
Before they went on their break last week, they had been working on sanctions packages, so since a lot has happened since that time, be prepared for all the GOP amnesia and other maneuvering ahead of the SOTU tomorrow (3/1/22).
Democrats and Republicans vow to pass punishing sanctions package when lawmakers return to Washington next week.
Feb. 22, 2022, 2:15 PM EST / Updated Feb. 22, 2022, 7:25 PM EST
By Scott Wong
WASHINGTON Congressional Democrats and Republicans are eyeing their next steps after President Joe Biden imposed new sanctions Tuesday in response to Russian President Vladimir Putin ordering troops into two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine. House Intelligence Committee members said they were working on bipartisan legislation requiring a plan for the U.S. to provide support for pro-Ukraine independence fighters.
And a bipartisan group of senators began working on an emergency spending bill to help NATO and Ukraine combat Russian aggression. The moment for bipartisanship may be short giving lawmakers only days or weeks to formulate a legislative response before retreating into their partisan corners and lobbing criticism instead of cooperation during a midterm election year.
Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Menendez, D-N.J., said if Russia continues its incursion deeper into Ukraine, the U.S. and its allies should cut off Russia from SWIFT, the secure global financial messaging system used by banks worldwide. Well, that is what I consider among the mother of all sanctions, Menendez said Tuesday during an appearance on MSNBCs Hallie Jackson Reports.
Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., who serves on the Intelligence and Finance committees, called the sanctions announced Tuesday too little, too late, while Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., dismissed the Biden effort as "woefully inadequate." The House GOP leadership team, led by Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California, issued a joint statement accusing Biden of choosing appeasement over strong action" against Putin.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/biden-faces-bipartisan-calls-punishing-russian-sanctions-rcna17219
calimary
(81,209 posts)Theres instability in the trumPutin axis right now. That needs to be EXPLOITED. And RIGHT NOW.
Ukraine presents a PERFECT opportunity to diminish them both. Glue them together in the public mindset. Encourage all doubts, shaky loyalties, second thoughts about taking THAT side; and reinforce the perception that trump is a bad guy CUZ HES SIDING WITH THE BAD GUY. Guilt by his close association.
There have already been reports about how effective the US-led information war online, on social media has been against the Russians. This is FREAKIN FANTASTIC news!!!!!
gab13by13
(21,303 posts)yes, you explained what I am trying to say. I just would like to force Republicans to be on the record condemning Trump's praise of Putin. Maybe it's a bridge too far. I did email Speaker Pelosi, she will know what's best.
It was only a few days ago that Trump and Republicans and Fox were singing Putin's praises. Now that Putin has become toxic they act like they never said it. The Republican party is anti-democracy and that is why they were praising Putin. It can't be done at the SOTU, that is supposed to be more positive.
I still think that Speaker Pelosi could word a resolution, diplomatically, to force Republicans to condemn Trump's praise of Putin.
They need to be on the record because come 2024 they are going to blame president Biden for the invasion and claim that Trump could have prevented it.
It is wonderful that almost the entire world has condemned Putin. Finland is taking a vote to join NATO and hopefully other countries will do the same, and Trump wanted to disband NATO.
I'm going to buy a strainer, a Polish lady explained to me the secret to making crispy potato pancakes, drain off the water for 5 minutes from the batter. Disclaimer, I'm half Polish, I should have known that. I am at my desired weight but I soon won't be. You have to take time to get away, I wake up every morning hoping that Ukraine is holding on.
calimary
(81,209 posts)Id hope news executives start issuing directives toward that end.
Theres gonna be LOTS of coverage all over everywhere, as newsfolk scrounge for second-day leads, third-day leads, fresh angles, local react - any local Russian or Ukrainian officials or church leaders or community leaders or professors and/or foreign policy experts at the local college or university
. Lots of ways to enlarge and further the story.
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)We shouldnt let the Republicans white out their love affair with Vladimir Putin. We should bring it up again and again and again.
For those well-meaning souls naively setting up their fellow Democrats for electoral defeats this year and in 2024, I would first point out that some of us want the Good Guys to win, not lose. Second, I would point out that a lot of voters are former Cold Warriors, not just in the Democratic camp, but also in Club Pachyderm, too. The Republicans got a lot of political mileage out of tying mainstream Democrats to the fringe elements in the anti-Vietnam War movement who waved Viet Congress flags at peace marches. We Democrats lost voters because of those idiots for decades (even though many of those protesters werent even Democrats) and I fail to see why we should ignore right-wing Republicans chatting up and posing with Putin.
If we have video and images of Rs posing with Putin, we should use it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Savvy genius: A leader who invades a peaceful democracy and destroys his own economy.
Stable genius: An idiot who calls a leader who invades a peaceful democracy and destroys his own economy a "savvy genius."
NCjack
(10,279 posts)have flipped from supporting PUTIN.
patphil
(6,169 posts)People the world over are rooting for him to hold off Putin's army.
Even NATO has had to respond to his popularity; finally sending aid.
I still think they should vote Ukraine into NATO and make their support more direct and overt.
Putin is paying the price for his arrogance. He's in a position of weakness and I don't think the Russian Army will support the war much longer...too many loses of soldiers and equipment.
It could become a Phyrric Victory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
In any event, even if Putin defeated Ukraine, he would have a very difficult time holding it.
LogicFirst
(571 posts)Putin runs his.
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)They're not bothering to hide it anymore. Jimbo Robinson must not care as long as they donate.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)I like punishing myself so I will go there to see what kind of weird takes they have. Often times the most ridiculous and insane posts are coming from people who have had their accounts for ten or even twenty years. Unless their accounts were hijacked, I don't think those are trolls. I've tried creating accounts there to bring some diversity to their arguments, but I never last long even when I do my whole meeting them half-way thing. I think that might make me even more of a target because of the cognitive dissonance it forces on them.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)who used to be very genuinely pro-USA, pro-military, pro-Iraq invasion/War on Terror seem to have melted away for the most part. What's left seem to be the Trumpy-bear die-hards, the Qanon types (always pushing the globalist/deep state/Soros conspiracy shit), and some outright English-as-a-second-language Russian trolls.
The Trump-Humpers and Qanons are not necessarily trolls, many simply love Putin because Trump and Putin are BFF's, and they're experiencing a lot of traumatic cognitive dissonance right now. These are the merely-stupids.
The professional Putinists are smart but pretty easy to spot, even among long-termers. They use the same argument tactics (whataboutisms, "some say", "I heard" ), the same constant redirection to focus on the southern border or BLM or truck convoys instead of Ukraine, the same insistence that America is a shitty weak country but Russia is mighty and a haven for Christians, and so forth. I don't think Russian/foreign internet trolls and propagandists are a recent thing on the internet, either. Probably been going on more like 15 years or so.
lame54
(35,284 posts)Bash the left even more
They praise Zelensky to point out how "weak" Biden is
They compare the breach of Ukranian borders to immigrants crossing our southern border
Russian tyranny is as bad as Canadian tyranny
No empathy just opportunism
Josiesdad
(44 posts)My guess is that Biden just MIGHT mention Ukraine tonight as he gives his first state of the union. My bet is that he will phrase his first Ukraine applause line in such a way that it burns the Trump wing of the opposition. My guess is that Biden will take this very public moment to put a wedge between the Republicans in the loyal opposition and the Trump traitor wing. Their choices will be stand up or sit... they can't abstain.
LaMouffette
(2,023 posts)from Eric's "We get all our money from Russia now!" to the photo of Michael Flynn and Jill Stein sitting at a table with Putin during a benefit in Moscow, to Manafort and Russian operative Kilemnic, to Trump looking like a meek schoolboy next to Putin at Helsinki, to Trump spouting pro-Russian propaganda at his rallies, to images of his "I need you to do me a favor" phone conversation with Zelensky . . .
Joe won't do anything like that of course. He's too classy. But Lincoln Project, if you're listening . . . !
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)They are not true Americans. They are traitors.
orangecrush
(19,522 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)spanone
(135,818 posts)ecstatic
(32,681 posts)I've snooped on a couple of their forums and some of them appear to have lost ALL respect for tfg and are promising to vote third party in 2024 if he's the nominee. I assume that if they were trolls, they would have been banned immediately, but the comments are being left to stand. To me, that suggests that there are a lot of MAGAsses who feel the same way but aren't brave enough to say it yet.
Once a person sees the light and sees tfg for who he truly is, there's no going back. They'll start to see tfg the same way we do: a selfish, incompetent, incredibly ignorant and evil clown-criminal with a severe personality disorder.
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)White supremacists support
Russia over the United States? Too many traitors too count. So much for the Commie scare of the 1950's, these assholes are embracing communism and Russia. They love Putin and think he should be running the United States. Assholes..
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)They can lie at squirm and whine all they want, but at the end of the day, the rest of the world knows they adore Putin, the "savvy genius" idol of the MAGAT King.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,343 posts)NO "voice vote", let the GQP reps vote on the record...