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Percy

(721 posts)
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:57 AM Feb 2022

Disturbing Videos Show Indian Students Fleeing Ukraine Brutally Beaten By Forces At Borders

What the hell?

"A video allegedly shot by a student shows Indians sitting on a road, reportedly at the Ukraine-Poland border. In the video, border forces are seen kicking and harassing Indian students. Some posts also suggest that African students were also beaten and kicked by the forces at national borders."

"Many students Ukraine-Poland border have sent out videos alleging that Ukrainian soldiers and police are forcing them back into Ukraine from the border of Poland by firing in the air and attempting to drive their cars into the crowd. "

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/indians-students-fleeing-ukraine-brutally-beaten-by-forces-at-borders-563156.html

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Disturbing Videos Show Indian Students Fleeing Ukraine Brutally Beaten By Forces At Borders (Original Post) Percy Feb 2022 OP
WTH indeed. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2022 #1
Take with a grain of salt ck4829 Feb 2022 #2
It's all over the Indian press! Nigeria is getting involved too. Percy Feb 2022 #5
I've seen a TON of Pro-Putin posters from India and Nigeria on Twitter. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #6
Modi obamanut2012 Feb 2022 #14
Clicked on your link, redirected me to..... KS Toronado Feb 2022 #19
Strange. I don't have that alert. Percy Feb 2022 #28
I had responded to ck4829's post KS Toronado Feb 2022 #32
Racism is everywhere Duncanpup Feb 2022 #3
Yes, it is; and so are disinfo and button-pushing agitprop. Hortensis Feb 2022 #37
I saw a tweet this morning from 2 african students that were evacuated to Poland milestogo Feb 2022 #4
Check where the original info coming from. It may more disinformation to sow doubt. halfulglas Feb 2022 #7
After someone above pointed out the source was questionable ... Percy Feb 2022 #30
We sure this is true? peggysue2 Feb 2022 #8
India is siding with Russia Effete Snob Feb 2022 #9
Given as how they are in the Ukraine, LisaL Feb 2022 #10
Not Poland's problem Effete Snob Feb 2022 #11
So you are suggesting Poland should only accept LisaL Feb 2022 #13
I'm not running Poland Effete Snob Feb 2022 #18
Well I presume you are not running anything. LisaL Feb 2022 #20
India is staying neutral TheProle Feb 2022 #34
That's still bad right now and Modi supports Putler uponit7771 Feb 2022 #35
It's not good TheProle Feb 2022 #36
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #38
Same thing happened to Nigerians, South Africans and others. malaise Feb 2022 #12
Some refugees are more "worthy" than others. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #15
This twitter account is a pro-Russian acct. 58Sunliner Feb 2022 #16
from the BBC Percy Feb 2022 #21
Another video which only shows a picture and no context. Lots of people were waiting to board. 58Sunliner Feb 2022 #22
You asked for a reputable source and I gave it: two links to BBC coverage Percy Feb 2022 #27
The BBC said they may have been examples of people not allowed to board. 58Sunliner Feb 2022 #42
Soccer matches in Ukraine have had a number of racist incidents involving fans with black and jalan48 Feb 2022 #17
That's true of pretty much every single country in Europe greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #23
Yes, I know England has had problems with skin heads. I think it points to the bigger problem of jalan48 Feb 2022 #24
Every country in Europe greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #26
Prejudice is not an American invention. Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 #25
Good way to make pro-Russian guerillas. lpbk2713 Feb 2022 #29
Yeah I know. Percy Feb 2022 #33
Racism is global...Jamaican Students too.. HipChick Feb 2022 #31
Yes, I just read about that in the Independent. Percy Feb 2022 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Feb 2022 #39
Should have left way the hell sooner, not DURING obvious conflict? Brainfodder Feb 2022 #41

Percy

(721 posts)
5. It's all over the Indian press! Nigeria is getting involved too.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:03 AM
Feb 2022

I'm looking at BBC news now and see the same ...

Happy Hoosier

(6,732 posts)
6. I've seen a TON of Pro-Putin posters from India and Nigeria on Twitter.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:10 AM
Feb 2022

At least they CLAIM to be from India and Nigeria.

Putin is doing his best to activate his troll army.

Make no mistake, Eastern Europe suffers from some racism problems. But they will take isolated incidents and low them up into a wedge issue to try and delegitimize the UKR government and foment support for Putin.

DO NOT LET THEM DO IT.

Percy

(721 posts)
28. Strange. I don't have that alert.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:23 PM
Feb 2022

I looked up the story and see the BBC is covering it too. I posted links a few posts down.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
7. Check where the original info coming from. It may more disinformation to sow doubt.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:12 AM
Feb 2022

We should be concerned but do not take at face value. Tik-Tok has lots of disinformation.

Percy

(721 posts)
30. After someone above pointed out the source was questionable ...
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:29 PM
Feb 2022

I looked for a more reputable source and found the BBC is covering the story too. There are links to the BBC article and BBC twitter I posted below for someone else who was doubting the story.

This is truly heartbraking. These are college students!

peggysue2

(10,720 posts)
8. We sure this is true?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:14 AM
Feb 2022

The Russians have been losing the messaging war, badly. What better way to start turning Western sentiment than showing images of racist violence against refugees and/or sparking division among our allies?

Color me suspicious. Because disinformation is something the Russians have proven themselves experts at; they know exactly what pressure points to push.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
9. India is siding with Russia
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:17 AM
Feb 2022

The students should stay put, and not take up resources for victims of the conflict.

LisaL

(44,956 posts)
10. Given as how they are in the Ukraine,
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:19 AM
Feb 2022

and Ukraine is at war, I presume staying put is not the best option for them.

LisaL

(44,956 posts)
13. So you are suggesting Poland should only accept
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:21 AM
Feb 2022

ethnic Ukrainians? And how on Earth can you say students are not the victims of the conflict?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. I'm not running Poland
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:43 AM
Feb 2022

They can accept whomever they want. Nationals of Russian allies in this conflict are bottom of the list, apparently. Oh well, sucks to be them.

TheProle

(2,049 posts)
34. India is staying neutral
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:54 PM
Feb 2022

that might be a distinction without a difference to you, but they are not "siding with Russia."

malaise

(266,540 posts)
12. Same thing happened to Nigerians, South Africans and others.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:21 AM
Feb 2022

23 Jamaicans had all sorts of racist crap thrown at them before they walked nine hours to Poland. They were trying to leave by bus or train There are racists fascists in Ukraine as well.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refugees-racism-russia-invasion-b2024175.html

Scores of African migrants in Ukraine are being blocked from fleeing to safety as Russian attacks continue to devastate the country, those trying to make border crossings have told The Independent.

Black people living in the region say they have been left to languish, with some taking to Twitter in recent days to share accounts of abandonment.

58Sunliner

(4,301 posts)
16. This twitter account is a pro-Russian acct.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:39 AM
Feb 2022

They actively criticize Ukraine. I have no idea what is really happening. It looks like people are being dragged out of a position from sitting on the ground in the traffic area. You have no way of knowing where this is happening, if it wasn't staged, or who those people actually are. You should remove this post.

Percy

(721 posts)
21. from the BBC
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:05 AM
Feb 2022

I'm all for finding the truth and facts in this dangerous situation. Treating college kids this way because they are Indian or from Africa is horrific and can not be condoned -- if that's what's going on.

The videos are from the scene and are horrific.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-60552271




58Sunliner

(4,301 posts)
22. Another video which only shows a picture and no context. Lots of people were waiting to board.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:13 AM
Feb 2022

All I see is a group of people who are upset. That's it. No abuse. For all I know they don't have visas or passports to enter wherever that train is going to. And the govt specifically said that women and children were prioritized. Not men 18-60. I saw a post where the Nigerian govt put out a notice asking it's citizens to use certain train stations only. Is it true? Let me just post it and then it will be.

Percy

(721 posts)
27. You asked for a reputable source and I gave it: two links to BBC coverage
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:59 PM
Feb 2022

In addition to describing the events, there are multiple videos, including the one where Indian students are being physically assaulted at the border, shots are fired, and the kids are screaming.

And another video piece with the Southeast Asia BBC producer discussing the situation.

What you do with the information is your choice, of course.


58Sunliner

(4,301 posts)
42. The BBC said they may have been examples of people not allowed to board.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:32 PM
Feb 2022

I am ashamed that the BBC did not bother to prove the circumstances. Bad journalism. There is still no context. I have seen several videos of people trying to just cross into a foreign country without going through the border patrol. You know if I did that during war time I would expect to risk getting shot. And I am a white middle aged woman. I would not expect to be treated fairly if I went to a train station that was prioritized for women and children if I were a male 18-60. But again I have no context, just a lot of hyperbole.

jalan48

(13,737 posts)
17. Soccer matches in Ukraine have had a number of racist incidents involving fans with black and
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:40 AM
Feb 2022

Brazilian players. I'm not going to post the articles but info can be found by searching the internet. Things aren't always as black and white as we want them to be.

jalan48

(13,737 posts)
24. Yes, I know England has had problems with skin heads. I think it points to the bigger problem of
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:26 AM
Feb 2022

support for right wing authoritarianism spreading all over the world.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
26. Every country in Europe
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:38 AM
Feb 2022

Italy and probably Serbia have been the worst for football. Russia is a horror for racist supporters as well.

Percy

(721 posts)
33. Yeah I know.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:33 PM
Feb 2022

Mistreating kids like this is a story that will reach deep. On top of it there were shots fired so the kids were terrified and traumatized. The memory will last a long time.

Percy

(721 posts)
40. Yes, I just read about that in the Independent.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 04:47 PM
Feb 2022

It's truly appalling. I'm so sick of racist bs. It's infuriating and so disappointing.

Response to Percy (Original post)

Brainfodder

(6,410 posts)
41. Should have left way the hell sooner, not DURING obvious conflict?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 04:53 PM
Feb 2022

Doubting it as distraction/propaganda angling BS any way.

But emails!!!!



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