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Stinky The Clown

(67,832 posts)
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:03 PM Feb 2022

Biden is the leader of the free world. And he is GOOD at it.

Fuck the polls.

Biden pulled together NATO and many others whose support was weakened by the malevolent moron he succeeded. To be sure, Putin screwed up royally by creating a cause, a rallying point, for our allies. What gets done with that circumstance is what separates good and evil.

Think about it. Biden called for sanctions. Italy wanted a carve-out for (no kidding) Ferraris and similar megabux sports cars. Switzerland did as it always has and stayed neutral, as was Sweden. All those sorts of objections soon enough fell away. The EU is stronger. NATO is stronger.

In the US, support for Biden's plans and path are increasing. There are many signs of cracks in the once rock solid Moron Wall. Nutter politicians are shutting up. Long silent right wingers who are more reasonable are again finding their voice. True enough, much of this is from wet-finger-in-the-wind spineless followers croaking support. But even that was unthinkable a few weeks ago.

Biden laid out the path. Without bullying he brought reluctant allies along. Those same allies are now racing ahead to out-support the supporters of Ukraine.

When you get the Swiss to sanction monied customers, you know you're winning.

This post is, admittedly, a bit simplistic. But I don't think there can be much disagreement with the title of this OP.

Biden IS the leader. and he IS good at it.



s/ Stinky The Admiring Clown



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Biden is the leader of the free world. And he is GOOD at it. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2022 OP
Biden was the one raising the warning flag that an invasion was imminent. patphil Feb 2022 #1
Yep, and that got in front of Putin's propaganda campaign, diffusing most of it. TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #13
Speaking of Flags...... KS Toronado Feb 2022 #29
He actually started raising that flag a year ago. soldierant Feb 2022 #61
Years of experience in foreign affairs. It shows MaryMagdaline Feb 2022 #2
Plus Biden knows how to listen to good advisors wnylib Feb 2022 #15
It makes a HUGE difference to have a leader who doesn't feel the need calimary Feb 2022 #19
A huge difference, isn't it? wnylib Feb 2022 #20
You and me both, wnylib. calimary Feb 2022 #37
K&R, Biden was guy running around with his hair on fire warning of attack! He needs credit for it uponit7771 Feb 2022 #3
I think we should go back in time a little bit. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2022 #9
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2022 #5
This. I hate those polls. calimary Feb 2022 #24
Exactly. Polls don't reflect public opinion, they shape public opinion. sop Feb 2022 #41
Bingo! These days, that is exactly is how and why they're being used. nt crickets Feb 2022 #47
I agree. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2022 #6
Biden's leadership has been low-key, deliberately measured - and very effective all around. empedocles Feb 2022 #7
+1 K&R onetexan Feb 2022 #10
K&R - nt Ohio Joe Feb 2022 #8
Biden's on a master class level right now. He's nailing Putler, easily two steps ahead of him ffr Feb 2022 #11
"Where does he get such wisdom? " rickford66 Feb 2022 #14
And good advisors like Fiona Hill. wnylib Feb 2022 #17
Of course, intelligence AND advisors. rickford66 Feb 2022 #34
More like spies, moles and three letter agencies jmowreader Feb 2022 #44
Years of experience... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #35
So grateful that he stepped forward in 2020 wnylib Feb 2022 #40
Indeed. 2naSalit Feb 2022 #42
Added plus: They make me feel wnylib Feb 2022 #45
That too. 2naSalit Feb 2022 #46
Hasn't he always been one to quietly lead? KentuckyWoman Feb 2022 #12
Republicans' heads must be absolutely exploding from Biden handling this crisis so well. LaMouffette Feb 2022 #16
great thread... democratsruletheday Feb 2022 #18
Biden is a great Technocrat. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #21
That's where the rest of us come in. wnylib Feb 2022 #32
But he's more than just a technocrat. summer_in_TX Feb 2022 #62
Don't get me wrong... Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #63
Polling has been pretty hit or miss Sugarcoated Feb 2022 #22
I think h2h polls are not to really be trusted... Santeria Feb 2022 #52
K&R nt gademocrat7 Feb 2022 #23
When you get Switzerland -- amazing. Go, Joe! Hekate Feb 2022 #25
Joe Biden has done an amazing job of rebuilding NATO LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #26
We had four good years of world leadership by Angela Merkel, dugog55 Feb 2022 #27
The Moron Wall stage left Feb 2022 #28
Remember the 2016 polls? They're useless housecat Feb 2022 #30
Thanks, Stinky. Biden knows how to ignore the riff-raff and focus on the important items. erronis Feb 2022 #31
Now....to somehow get millions more Americans to believe objective reality. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #33
!!!! TeamProg Feb 2022 #36
Why is anybody surprised by this? bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #38
I honestly think very few people, if anyone, are surprised by this. Even his desperate detractors. Stinky The Clown Feb 2022 #39
Agree totally DownriverDem Feb 2022 #43
Spot on, Stinky! Thank goodness for President Biden. 💙 crickets Feb 2022 #48
Best leader for this time Nululu Feb 2022 #49
Huge kick and rec. love_katz Feb 2022 #50
Agreed. it's just a shame the American people aren't seeing it. Santeria Feb 2022 #51
It's a type of character cancer in Republicans...they didn't vaccinate against lying assholes gulliver Feb 2022 #54
It doesn't help the media is complacent. Santeria Feb 2022 #55
Fox News is largely to blame for the situation gulliver Feb 2022 #56
+1, its time for their ties to Russia be exposed. They repeat Russian talking point on that channel uponit7771 Feb 2022 #57
He's an outstanding leader gulliver Feb 2022 #53
Your OP is Enjoyable to Be Sure! Cha Feb 2022 #58
Indubitably. 🌻❤🌻 littlemissmartypants Feb 2022 #59
We needed a POTUS who was known and trusted by our allies BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #60
The traits that make him a good president are what are hurting his polls. Music Man Mar 2022 #64
I would like to point out Rincewind Mar 2022 #65
Did they even have a way of doing that back then? Papa-Ron Mar 2022 #66
NBC News says his poll numbers are low young_at_heart Mar 2022 #67
They have become increasingly unwatchable since Lester Holt took over from Brian Williams Stinky The Clown Mar 2022 #68

patphil

(6,235 posts)
1. Biden was the one raising the warning flag that an invasion was imminent.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:06 PM
Feb 2022

It took several days of actual fighting to get NATO to jump off the fence and provide aid.

soldierant

(6,940 posts)
61. He actually started raising that flag a year ago.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:11 PM
Feb 2022

He and the G7 were vewy, vewy quiet about it. As they should have been. But this didn't happen as fast as it appears to have. I agree he is good at it. Maybe even better than tyou think.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
15. Plus Biden knows how to listen to good advisors
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:37 PM
Feb 2022

who know their stuff, like Fiona Hill, instead of like Trump getting "advice" from Americans who are his fellow Russian assets.

calimary

(81,555 posts)
19. It makes a HUGE difference to have a leader who doesn't feel the need
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:49 PM
Feb 2022

to surround himself with “yes-men” and other sycophants and flatterers. The donald wants the flattery. President Biden only cares about the facts.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
20. A huge difference, isn't it?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

I want to see both Trump and Putin on their knees, begging for mercy - and denied.

calimary

(81,555 posts)
37. You and me both, wnylib.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:19 PM
Feb 2022

Then we can tell Putin all about the exclusive new digs we’ve set aside for him. A prison cell! Where he can wait for his appearance before a war crimes tribunal.

We can regale him with stories about how he was beaten by a comedian.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
9. I think we should go back in time a little bit.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:22 PM
Feb 2022

I have heard it said, that Biden was dispatched in 2016 by President Obama to warn our allies around the world, when it became known that candidate Trump was compromised by our enemies.

It makes sense, looking back, to see how they went after Biden over his connections to Ukraine. They could bash both Biden and the Ukraine government as corrupt. Trump would get re-elected, and Putin would throw out the corrupt Ukraine government to save Ukrainian citizens from their corrupt officials.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

calimary

(81,555 posts)
24. This. I hate those polls.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:56 PM
Feb 2022

They always seem to focus on the proverbial “Mom of Suberbia” and “Joe Sixpack” who may not be all that well-informed.

Just fabulous, dontcha think, that we form our policy advocacy based on the “opinions” of people who don’t pay attention to the news.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
6. I agree.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:14 PM
Feb 2022

He is a remarkable leader.

Someone (I think Biden) has gotten some of these Republican fools in line somehow. Senator Jerry Moran (R, KS), last seen sitting at a Russian table next to a smirking Sen. Johnson (R, WS) on the Fourth of July, was on my local teevee this morning. He was talking about legislation he is sponsoring to help the citizens of Ukraine.

There’s something happening here…what it is ain’t exactly clear

ffr

(22,675 posts)
11. Biden's on a master class level right now. He's nailing Putler, easily two steps ahead of him
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:27 PM
Feb 2022

on every front! It's like Biden knows Putler's next move, what the U.S. will do, how Putler will react and how the U.S. will follow up.

Where does he get such wisdom?

jmowreader

(50,569 posts)
44. More like spies, moles and three letter agencies
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:07 PM
Feb 2022

NSA isn’t the only one who does intelligence work. I can only assume they’ve got surveillance satellites, Global Hawks, U-2Rs, people reading Russian and Ukrainian news sites, people watching television news, and every other discipline of intelligence there is.

2naSalit

(86,880 posts)
35. Years of experience...
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:06 PM
Feb 2022

Keeping track of nukes in the region, retiring some like in Ukraine, and he's known pooteen for decades. He knows exactly who he's dealing with and how to succeed in defeating the bastard.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
40. So grateful that he stepped forward in 2020
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:01 PM
Feb 2022

to run for office.

And thanks to all the people who worked to get him into the WH.

2naSalit

(86,880 posts)
42. Indeed.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:05 PM
Feb 2022

I had a long talk about this with a sister last night. It is our good fortune to have people like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi in the positions they hold at this time in history. We'd be screwed even more than we are without them.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
12. Hasn't he always been one to quietly lead?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:29 PM
Feb 2022

I have not followed his whole career but it looks like he decides for himself what is right and just, then leads by example. From what I have seen he treats differences with humility and respect and gets won over if he is wrong .... stands tall if he is right.

I have so much respect for him and his way of leadership. It seems other world leaders mostly respect it as well.

LaMouffette

(2,042 posts)
16. Republicans' heads must be absolutely exploding from Biden handling this crisis so well.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:46 PM
Feb 2022

If only Repub voters would wake the hell up and see that the US is always in better hands when there is a Democratic president.

Happy Hoosier

(7,448 posts)
21. Biden is a great Technocrat.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

He knows how to properly exercise power.

But can he parlay that into political advantage? I've always thought that was his biggest weakness... generally strong skills, generally timid political instincts.

I think there is a natural humility in him that thinks that just doing a good job is enough. Sadly it is not.

Go get 'em Joe!

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
32. That's where the rest of us come in.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:54 PM
Feb 2022

Spread the word about Biden's character and good job. Stand behind him and promote him.

summer_in_TX

(2,766 posts)
62. But he's more than just a technocrat.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:45 PM
Feb 2022

Where he excels over the other Dems in the 2020 race was in his vision and articulation of what America is when at its best.

Those who study messaging have often criticized Dem candidates for getting bogged down in the weeds of policy proposals. He had them too, but they seemed to always be connected in his rhetoric to his vision of America at its best.

Because he's humble and has that occasional speech hesitancy traceable to rerouting how he says something as a coping mechanism for his stutter, it's easy to overlook the importance of his ability to articulate that vision of America.

Happy Hoosier

(7,448 posts)
63. Don't get me wrong...
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:50 PM
Feb 2022

I think he’s pretty great at framing the issues. I just wish he had bit mote aggressive political instincts.

 

Santeria

(18 posts)
52. I think h2h polls are not to really be trusted...
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:25 PM
Feb 2022

A lot of that is do to coming up with likely voter models that are accurate. You've got to weigh demographics, voter turnout patterns, past support and it's definitely a mixed bag overall (and has been more recently).

But approval polls are pretty straightforward: you're not asking a person who they're voting for and then attempting to determine if they're actually likely to vote. You're just straight up asking them if they approve of the job Biden is doing. That's where he's getting hit hard. The perception is not in his favor despite him doing a really good job. He needs to change that perception. Hopefully he can with the SOTU speech tomorrow. It offers an opportunity to really showcase the steps he's taken.

dugog55

(296 posts)
27. We had four good years of world leadership by Angela Merkel,
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:10 PM
Feb 2022

who filled the void usually manned by the US President, because Trump was too busy grifting money anywhere he could. We now have a President in Biden that will be a statesman for the world, again.

stage left

(2,967 posts)
28. The Moron Wall
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:11 PM
Feb 2022
That's the only one IQ45 got built. Oh, and Let's Go Joe. It's nice to have a real President again.

erronis

(15,400 posts)
31. Thanks, Stinky. Biden knows how to ignore the riff-raff and focus on the important items.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:50 PM
Feb 2022

The other clowns (the talking heads, the (r)epuglicons, the trolls) can blather and blabber all they want.

Biden has assembled a real team of professionals to help us navigate this ship forward.

As many others have wondered, what would it be like with that orange clown at the wheel, again?

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
33. Now....to somehow get millions more Americans to believe objective reality.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 01:59 PM
Feb 2022

And, while the opening line of the post is a strong statement, and appropriate for the thesis of the OP, it's not something a politician or a party can do and still survive.

bucolic_frolic

(43,415 posts)
38. Why is anybody surprised by this?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:23 PM
Feb 2022

He had Obama's ear and back. His Senate career ran like clockwork. His gaffes were few and mostly of press manufacture. His press releases never alarmed anyone, and for those who heard decades of them in the Philadelphia media market, you know what I'm talking about. He was always just Joe Biden, Senator. His aides were loyal and very competent. It takes a keen perception of people and processes to run that operation. Joe has it all. That's why he's where he is today.

Stinky The Clown

(67,832 posts)
39. I honestly think very few people, if anyone, are surprised by this. Even his desperate detractors.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:38 PM
Feb 2022

Your notes are spot on.

love_katz

(2,585 posts)
50. Huge kick and rec.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:05 PM
Feb 2022
And thank you to Stinky for the OP, and for the comments in the thread. All of you brightened my day and gave me some hope.
 

Santeria

(18 posts)
51. Agreed. it's just a shame the American people aren't seeing it.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:15 PM
Feb 2022

Since the invasion, his approval has dropped ten points (total margin) according to Morning Consult (their last poll prior to the invasion had Biden's approval at 47-51 and now it's 41-56. So, Americans clearly are not seeing this great job Biden is doing. I hope he can find a way to get that message out because it's simply not there at the moment.

Biden is doing a fantastic job but for whatever reason, Americans don't approve of it even though when you break down the actual things he's doing, they do. I don't get it.

gulliver

(13,197 posts)
54. It's a type of character cancer in Republicans...they didn't vaccinate against lying assholes
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:40 PM
Feb 2022

Remember that most of the people giving Biden low marks give Trump high marks. To paraphrase Roosevelt, I count receiving the disapproval of current Trump/Fox/Putin fans as equivalent to receiving approval from someone with character and patriotism. In a sense, those folks are victims, but they need to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

Santeria

(18 posts)
55. It doesn't help the media is complacent.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:43 PM
Feb 2022

They spend hours negatively attacking Biden and that's what the people see.

Most Americans aren't paying full attention to Ukraine. They're hearing bits and pieces of it from the media and the media is pretty much trash. FOX News today kept blaming Biden about the invasion - and MSNBC was spending some of their day talking about FOX News blaming Biden about the invasion. It's frustrating.

gulliver

(13,197 posts)
56. Fox News is largely to blame for the situation
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:57 PM
Feb 2022

They're desperate to pin something on Biden, but they weakened the United States and gave comfort to Putin.

The dumber (video side chiefly) media personalities hear insinuations of "weakness" and think, "Ya know, maybe there is that magic bean that could have been used." The Republicans, per the dimmer media folk, may have some foolproof "non-weak" thing in the backs of their minds that they think Biden should have done. My goodness, Republicans wouldn't just call Biden weak and not be able to give an example of what he did that was weak would they?

Yeah, they would. The brighter folks in the media can distinguish themselves by asking the Republicans the question all Republicans fear, "Can you give me an example?" What is an example of what Biden did that was weak? What is an example of what Trump would have done that would have been "strong?" (That last one should give people shivers.)

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
57. +1, its time for their ties to Russia be exposed. They repeat Russian talking point on that channel
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 08:37 PM
Feb 2022

... daily !!

gulliver

(13,197 posts)
53. He's an outstanding leader
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 07:28 PM
Feb 2022

Allies of the United States and fans of the truth and character are fully behind Biden. I never thought I'd see anything like it.

Cha

(297,879 posts)
58. Your OP is Enjoyable to Be Sure!
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 08:38 PM
Feb 2022

I like the way you put it all in perspective what's been happening Lately with PJB!

Mahalo, StAC!

BigmanPigman

(51,646 posts)
60. We needed a POTUS who was known and trusted by our allies
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:00 PM
Feb 2022

and could hit the road running as soon as he was sworn in. He didn't have to form relationships with foreign leaders since they already had worked with him before.

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
64. The traits that make him a good president are what are hurting his polls.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 12:38 AM
Mar 2022

Keeping one's head down and worrying about the work. Making the right decisions for long-term good. Being decent and calm rather than ostentatious.

We may have to live with the fact that he's just never going to be appreciated by certain people.

young_at_heart

(3,774 posts)
67. NBC News says his poll numbers are low
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 11:52 AM
Mar 2022

I will no longer watch NBC.....after many years, because yesterday they made it look as if most Americans think Joe has done a poor job with Ukraine (according to some poll). There was no counter opinion. If they had come to my house I would have told them just the opposite. It felt to me that it wasn't "simply" reporting the poll, but an attack with no rebuttal!

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