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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:54 PM Feb 2022

The ruble is so vulnerable it's only a question of how much damage we want to do



In countries like Russia, where the currency is not so stable, the ability to convert to a strong and trusted one like the dollar or the euro is crucial. It is evidence that the home currency — in this case the Russian ruble — has value. Russia’s vast store of foreign exchange backs up that value. It assures households and businesses that they can convert their rubles whenever they want, and makes sure that the nation can protect its exchange rate with other currencies.. The reserves also lubricate the day-to-day transactions of Russian businesses that export and import.

But once workers and managers, owners and financiers worry that they can’t trade their rubles for dollars or euros — because banks won’t be able to access their foreign exchange reserves — they lose confidence. The Bank of Russia can try to prop up the value of the ruble by using its reserves to buy up rubles that people are selling. But it can only do that as long as it has access to foreign reserves.

The question is how long it can make those transactions. According to Mr. Bernstam’s calculations, Russian individuals and companies have deposited $268 billion in foreign denominations in Russian banks.

Yet the central bank has just about $12 billion of cash in hand
— an astonishingly small amount, he said. As for the rest of Russia’s foreign exchange reserves, roughly $400 billion is invested in assets held outside the country. Another $84 billion is invested in Chinese bonds and $139 billion is in gold. The central bank could trade in some of those bonds for renminbi, which would enable it to buy goods from China, but not from other countries. It could also sell gold, although Mr. Bernstam argues that there will be few buyers for the massive tons that Russia has on hand.

Other estimates put the amount of assets held outside Russia closer to $300 billion. The potentially dire consequences for the economy are the same.

“If the ruble collapses, it could usher in severe inflation and exacerbate a brewing recession,” Robert Person, an associate professor of international relations at the United States Military Academy, said, noting that his views were his own and not those of the government or military. The economic consequences of these measures could turn out to be far more severe than other measures that have gotten more attention in the media,” he added. “This gets at the Russian government’s basic tools to manage its macroeconomy.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/business/russia-sanctions-central-bank-ruble.html


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The ruble is so vulnerable it's only a question of how much damage we want to do (Original Post) BeyondGeography Feb 2022 OP
Yes, we do want the entire Russian political system to collapse. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #1
+1 JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #3
+1,000! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #4
Soon, the ruble will become the rubble. TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #9
Hah! lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #14
Exactly. Go hard or go home. radius777 Feb 2022 #10
Right, unless we play for keeps, what is the point? Putin only understands strength. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #11
100% Of course we do! lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #13
Not seeing a downside EYESORE 9001 Feb 2022 #2
Of course we want it to collpase. SoonerPride Feb 2022 #5
What if we DO want the political system to collapse? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #6
Destroy Pootie, whatever it takes before he destroys us. Meadowoak Feb 2022 #7
We need enough pressure so that Russia withdraws from Ukraine and Putin is deposed. Raven123 Feb 2022 #8
This presents a problem jmowreader Feb 2022 #12
They'll have to be occupied, like we did in Japan and Germany after WWII. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #15
Not quite like we did in Japan and Germany jmowreader Feb 2022 #17
Yeah, there's the rub. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #18
If we can't intervene militarily.... we have to hurt them however we can. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #16

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
1. Yes, we do want the entire Russian political system to collapse.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:56 PM
Feb 2022

That should be our goal?

Destroy the Russian mob which controls Russia.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
10. Exactly. Go hard or go home.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:34 PM
Feb 2022

Putin is a thug and a bully who only understands power and dominance - so let's show it to him.

I would add that it's the appeasing/soft attitude of Western intellectuals like Mr. Bernstam - is what emboldens Putin and his regime. He knows we have ethics (that he does not) and exploits that.

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
11. Right, unless we play for keeps, what is the point? Putin only understands strength.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:38 PM
Feb 2022

He has no respect for niceties which he sees as weakness.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
6. What if we DO want the political system to collapse?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:16 PM
Feb 2022

Seriously, things in Russia getting bad enough that the Russian people rise up in righteous fury and give Putin the Gaddafi treatment would be one of the better outcomes of this whole thing.

Raven123

(4,828 posts)
8. We need enough pressure so that Russia withdraws from Ukraine and Putin is deposed.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:26 PM
Feb 2022

If Bernstam can calculate that, let us know.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
12. This presents a problem
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:40 PM
Feb 2022

Russia hasn’t ever had a non-corrupt government. The closest they ever came was Catherine the Great, who is generally described as an “enlightened despot.” She also died in 1796.

So…if we just let the Russians deal with Putin in their own way (this way usually involves gunfire) we’re sure to get someone even worse in there.

What I believe will have to happen is several Western countries - several Western European countries, Japan, and the Democratic Party of the United States come to mind - are going to have to go in there, clean out their government, roll up the Mafia, fix their economic system and reform their army. The Russians can’t do it on their own.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. They'll have to be occupied, like we did in Japan and Germany after WWII.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:48 PM
Feb 2022

Start with the Siberian oil fields. That will shut down the last vestiges of the economy. Basically the equivalent of firebombing Tokyo and leveling Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
17. Not quite like we did in Japan and Germany
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:55 PM
Feb 2022

This time, the occupied government can pay for their own occupation. If we liquidate the externally-held assets and cash in the RMB bonds, there’s enough to deal with the problem without worrying about destabilizing the gold market.

The biggest problem will be keeping our Republicans far away from the work. If we let any of those fucking traitors in there, they’ll fuck it up even worse than it is now.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. Yeah, there's the rub.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:56 PM
Feb 2022

Anything we do can be sabotaged by the corrupt mob already inside our own government.

Happy Hoosier

(7,285 posts)
16. If we can't intervene militarily.... we have to hurt them however we can.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 03:52 PM
Feb 2022

I don't necessarily agree with the "avoid military confrontation at all costs" idea, as Kyiv is staring down a 17 mile long column. But if we ARE going to rule out military intervention, we need a no-holds-barred approach to their economy. Make them feel it for a long time.

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