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qwlauren35

(6,150 posts)
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:05 PM Feb 2022

The Police Problem - Bigger Than Racism

Not sure what got me looking at this today, but it's been on my mind, the whole idea that there is a "War Against Young Black Men".
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I went to look at the numbers and found a Washington Post DATABASE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/) about it. However, my husband, (who is "woke&quot said it "wasn't credible". So, I found an article by aljazeera.com (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/25/how-many-people-have-police-killed-since-george-floyd) . I also found data from the British Medical Journal (https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/) and a website called "https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/".
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Over 1000 people have been killed by cops since George Floyd. About 50 percent have been white. Now the data on whether individuals are armed is interesting. Out of 10,000 people killed in the past 8 years, about 1000 had no weapon at all. Over 500 had TOY weapons. Some had rocks. Three had a pen. Also: a machete, taser, ax. Of the *completely* unarmed individuals, about 40% were white.
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Now, there's a lot being said about the fact that there is a disproportionate number of young black men getting killed. But I think the numbers point to a different problem. Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, too many cops are killing people. PERIOD. The data also shows that sometimes it's the same cop. And that the cops are not getting prosecuted.
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I find myself thinking that as long as this is perceived as a black problem, its not going to gain traction. But the fact is, it's bigger than that. Some police officers are too quick to shoot first, ask questions later. Police officers are not being trained to de-escalate. And the bad cops are not being removed. It's more than just a problem of racism. And part of the reason I am SURE that it's not just racism is because some of the cops doing the killing are black. We just don't hear about it.
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A friend of mine is quick to say that "Defund the Police" is a problematic message. As I look at the data, I think "defund" is not the appropriate solution. "Re-train in de-escalation". "Recruit a higher caliber of police officers". And REMOVE a cop who kills an unarmed person. No matter what reason. Just remove them. And charge them with manslaughter. And force them to have a criminal felony record so that no one will hire them for law enforcement or even security. So that it is illegal for them to be armed. Even if they only spend 1 month in jail. Even if their punishment is community service. I want them to have a felony record.
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I honestly believe that if it was a felony for a police officer to kill an unarmed civilian, and a misdemeanor for a police officer to kill a person who is armed with something other than a REAL gun, a federal crime, things would change.

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The Police Problem - Bigger Than Racism (Original Post) qwlauren35 Feb 2022 OP
It would be a good start, and we have to start somewhere. Enter stage left Feb 2022 #1
Minneapolis has been the poster child for "reform" for the past 40 years. It's resulted in little. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #2
Hmmm... qwlauren35 Feb 2022 #3
To...? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #4
Sorry I wasn't clear. qwlauren35 Feb 2022 #6
I say abolish it but a lot of people tend to resist that idea. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #7
I know of a cop that got busted for stealing multigraincracker Feb 2022 #5

Enter stage left

(3,399 posts)
1. It would be a good start, and we have to start somewhere.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:23 PM
Feb 2022

There are way too many BAD cops out there.

The police are out of control.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
2. Minneapolis has been the poster child for "reform" for the past 40 years. It's resulted in little.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:34 PM
Feb 2022

A system designed to oppress can't be reformed through "better training" or "de-escelation" or "better hiring."

multigraincracker

(32,729 posts)
5. I know of a cop that got busted for stealing
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:01 PM
Feb 2022

drivers licenses from drunk drivers and stealing their identity to open checking accounts for fraud.
His lawyer asked to judge to take into account his service of 20 some years. The judge told him he will be held to a higher account due to his police power and gave him the maximum sentence. I voted for that judge.

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