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Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:32 PM

Russia seeks 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military

US officials warn Russia will increasingly hit civilian targets and seek 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military

Russia's strategy in its war on Ukraine is shifting toward a "slow annihilation" of the Ukrainian military, US and other Western officials tell CNN, warning that Russia could focus on a bloody and deadly bombardment of cities and civilian targets as the conflict becomes a grinding war of attrition.

Ukrainian forces have so far been able to stave off Russia's initial push, maintaining control of Kyiv and other major cities. But they remain massively outgunned and outmanned. And Russia is now bringing in heavier, more destructive weaponry and increasingly striking civilian infrastructure, after an initial focus on military targets, the officials said.
The shift in strategy likely reflects a recognition by Russian President Vladimir Putin that his initial plan to quickly topple Kyiv has failed, said one senior Western intelligence official -- in part because the Ukrainians have put up a stiffer than anticipated fight and in part because logistics and supply missteps have slowed the Russian advance.
But Western officials now expect that Russia will ramp up heavy weapons bombardment of Ukraine's cities and potentially march in "tens of thousands" of troops, one US official said. Eventually, officials caution, Ukraine's military will likely run short of supplies needed to keep up the fight.
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'Cruel military math'

Ukraine's will to fight "is extending this," said the senior Western intelligence official. "But the cruel military math of this will eventually come to bear, absent some intervention, absent some fundamental change in the dynamic."
For Ukraine, whose military forces and civilian population have shown no signs of capitulating, the war appears poised to become a grim struggle for survival over a protracted, uncertain future.
The numbers are already bleak: Russia has lost roughly 3% to 5% of its tanks, aircraft, artillery and other military assets inside Ukraine compared with Ukrainian losses of roughly 10% of its capabilities, according to two US officials familiar with the latest intelligence.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/politics/us-russia-ukraine-civilians-warning/index.html


We, the US and NATO that is, must either intervene directly immediately with our superior military might to back Ukrainian forces or de-escalate tensions somehow.

Anything else seems to be using the brave Ukrainian resistance as cannon fodder in a losing cause in a proxy war with Russia.


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Reply Russia seeks 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military (Original post)
bluewater Mar 2022 OP
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #1
bluewater Mar 2022 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #8
bluewater Mar 2022 #12
PortTack Mar 2022 #24
msongs Mar 2022 #2
atreides1 Mar 2022 #3
PortTack Mar 2022 #5
CanonRay Mar 2022 #4
ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #10
Ex Lurker Mar 2022 #25
CanonRay Mar 2022 #30
DanieRains Mar 2022 #6
Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #9
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #15
bluewater Mar 2022 #16
Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #19
Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #21
Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #22
Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #27
Calculating Mar 2022 #34
greenjar_01 Mar 2022 #11
bluewater Mar 2022 #14
Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #32
Generic Brad Mar 2022 #13
onecaliberal Mar 2022 #17
Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #18
Lancero Mar 2022 #20
bluewater Mar 2022 #29
Azathoth Mar 2022 #23
XacerbatedDem Mar 2022 #26
Blaukraut Mar 2022 #28
Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #33
Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #31

Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:36 PM

1. Proxy war? Bullshit! Putin invaded Ukraine to try to gain something. Wake up! . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:43 PM

7. Everyone knows Russia started this war

The question is whether we, the US and NATO, step up and intervene militarily or do we leave the brave Ukrainian resistance fighting what should be our battle too all by themselves.

Half measures just means more Ukrainian forces will die in a fight CNN and US officials say they cannot win.

Tragic, but true.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:45 PM

8. Nato has not intervened, Ukraine is not a member, and it is NOT a proxy war. Period. . . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:50 PM

12. NATO has intervened militarily in the past to help save lives in non-NATO Countries

That's a fact.

We, the US and NATO, intervened in Libya to stop Gadaffi's genocidal plans, as just one example.

Ukraine not being a NATO member is irrelevant in whether or not we have a moral obligation to help them resist this Russian invasion.

Again, half measures will just lead to more Ukrainian deaths in a losing cause.

Tragic, but true.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:19 PM

24. +1000

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:36 PM

2. "somehow" - that's the rub. a nuclear war probably benefits nobody nt

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:39 PM

3. 30 days

That's all that Ukraine has, left!

All the military equipment in the universe is useless...if there isn't anyone to use it!

Once Putin installs his puppet government...the Baltic states will be next...and I don't believe that NATO will do anything!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:41 PM

5. The Baltic states are part of NATO....read article 5 of the NATO alliance

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:40 PM

4. That's what we thought about Vietnam

We had all the numbers and firepower then, too.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:48 PM

10. Also, Think Afghanistan

It took 15 minutes to rout the Taliban.
20 years later, we cease the occupation and in under a week they were at it again.
All that power didn't change anything. It just chased the rats into the sewer until later.
And, their military wouldn't be any more successful against a protracted insurgency of the invaded.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:20 PM

25. We didn't tet pushed out of Vietnam, we got tired and left

we could have stayed there indefinitely if we had had the willpower. Russia can stay in Ukraine indefinitely if he has the willpower. We can make it extremely costly for him but we can't push him out without widening the war.

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Response to Ex Lurker (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:39 PM

30. But it's very expensive.

Plus Putin is 70 and won't be around forever

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:42 PM

6. With Nukes Putin Will Be Dead In 20 Minutes And He Knows It

 

If retaliation doesn't get him in his bunker, his buddies that live will get him.

And they had it so good.....

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:46 PM

9. The day will soon come when it is all over.

A bloodbath and demolished country.

A remarkable people gone. A people who were brave, showed good will in the face of adversity, smart, clever, maintained their sense of humor when facing evil. The kind of people who are the best of mankind.

And there was nothing we could do because a madman threatened to blow up the world.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:57 PM

15. 💛💙

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:00 PM

16. So true.



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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:10 PM

19. No. We are choosing to do nothing.

Its up to us how we decide to respond to threats.

And we have to own that. We are not powerless. We are choosing not to act.

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:12 PM

21. I know, but when I say what you say, I get jumped on.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:14 PM

22. I heat ya. Let them come.

I am will be ashamed if we allow this. And we will regret it. Mark my words

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:25 PM

27. 100% certainty that we will come to regret our inaction.

People way smarter than I am could come up with a plan that is somewhere between doing nothing and WWIII. The bank plan is not slowing down Putin in the least, and even if it does, it will be too late.

If there is no one who can come up with a plan to save Ukraine then the $trillions we spend on our government and military is a waste.

Putin will feel he is invincible and will move onto his next victim.

We own some responsibility for all of this. We allowed Putin to take over half our congress and the US media, install a US president and greatly divide and weaken our country. Putin was emboldened by his success in the US and moved onto Ukraine.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:59 PM

34. I mean, we could call his bluff and tell the madman to go back in his corner

Or we could also do nothing, because we're seemingly terrified of him(which is exactly what he wants)

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:49 PM

11. "I wanted to win in the tenth round. That was my strategy all along."

 

Sounds like making a virtue of necessity to me.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:55 PM

14. Indeed.




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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:43 PM

32. This does sound like "I MEANT to do that!"

Fools think their bullshit is really snowing us.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:54 PM

13. Is it fast or is is slow?

Is part of the plan getting their asses kicked, soldiers going AWOL, and all their elite units getting killed? Putin is clueless and way stupider than the world expected him to be.

It's easy to damage things. Any oaf can do that. But building things takes intelligence. Putin has proven himself to be an oaf.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:04 PM

17. I feel rage and my heart is broken in ten thousand pieces.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:08 PM

18. But we still promise not to intervene....

ugh

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:12 PM

20. Worse than that, many nations are still active funding Russia's war machine.

20 billion Euros. Thats how much money Germany alone provided Russia last year when buying gas and oil. A full third of their military budget, from just one country.

Russian soliders are committing these atrocities. But its the West funding it.

We need to start sanctioning Russia's top exports, which so far have been left alone.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:32 PM

29. Nord Stream 2 NEVER Opened. Europe is still buying Russian Gas thru the existing pipelines.


Russian soliders are committing these atrocities. But its the West funding it.

We need to start sanctioning Russia's top exports, which so far have been left alone.


So true.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:14 PM

23. They'll only run short of supplies if we let them

There should be an endless conveyor belt of military and humanitarian supplies rolling into Ukraine on a daily basis. And Russia needs to know it will never slow down. Let Russia know that for every functioning Russian tank in Ukraine, the Ukranians will receive 10 Javelins a week.

Give em hundreds of long range drones and medium range ballistic missiles. Let them hit Russia's civilian infrastructure in retaliation. Tit for tat.

If Russia wants a war of attrition, give it to them with both barrels. Ukraine will have the financial support to rebuild. Russia won't.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:21 PM

26. I was in the Army back in the '80s...

stationed in Germany to keep an eye on the Ruskies. The whole time I was there, one phrase kept coming up over and over again - "Nuke 'em till they glow."

I don't think, in a war between the US and Russia, that that reality would not come to pass, from one side or the other.

Either way, not a good result for the planet on the whole. I keep hoping it won't come to that, for once that door is opened, well, look up the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after WW2; not a good place to live.

My heart goes out to Ukraine but I hope the sanctions work and that they are accepted into the EU. Maybe that will put an end to the madness, otherwise, time to start having more than active shooter drills in our schools.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:26 PM

28. "Ukraine's will to fight is extending this," said the senior Western intelligence official

Sure sounds to me like NATO and Europe want Ukraine to hurry up and give in so we don't have to worry about Putin getting mad enough to use nukes. Shameful. Putin is not going to stop with Ukraine.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:47 PM

33. I agree with being truthful and realistic about the disadvantages

that Ukraine faces. But there's no need to suggest they will inevitably lose, either. Not helpful at all. Zelensky isn't delusional and most likely neither he nor his administration (should he not survive) are going to allow carnage to continue when there's no hope left, but Ukraine isn't there yet. Give them a chance, let the sanctions squeeze Russia, and HELP THEM, "western officials".

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:40 PM

31. Then the rest of the free world should seek slow annihilation of Russia's economy and

way of life.

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