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George Will's lethal blow to previous prez (Original Post) SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 OP
A helpful reminder of his adulation of putin SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author jimmy the one Mar 2022 #11
Yes he vilified Trump but PCIntern Mar 2022 #2
He has always been an unconscionable pompous elitist .... (add your choice of epithet hlthe2b Mar 2022 #4
He's a prig. PCIntern Mar 2022 #7
Every NeverTrumper, every day: JHB Mar 2022 #22
Will also opened up his withered batty crease and took a hot steaming shit on Dems Celerity Mar 2022 #3
"educational intolerance" Now THAT's a laugh. DFW Mar 2022 #6
Republican SLEAZE is beyond reform Achilleaze Mar 2022 #5
K&R to the replies. I don't care a wit what he says about 45. Boomerproud Mar 2022 #8
How has this man been able to build an entire prize-winning career on "No True Scotsman" garbage??? barbaraann Mar 2022 #9
He is an educated Republican who can write coherent English DFW Mar 2022 #15
Ha! I hadn't thought of that. :) barbaraann Mar 2022 #20
Baseball. In his 1990's PBS documentary about the Game, Ken Burns made Will a pop icon . Tommymac Mar 2022 #26
Oh, I didn't know that. It's depressing. barbaraann Mar 2022 #27
Again. We need to learn the lessons of the past. empedocles Mar 2022 #10
IMHO, Trump voters need to see that the better choice is the Democratic Party, not just a different barbaraann Mar 2022 #13
That would be nice of course. However, that assumption hasn't worked well enough for empedocles Mar 2022 #14
I hoping against all odds that Liz Cheney converts and brings a few other R's with her. barbaraann Mar 2022 #21
There are a lot of moderates in both parties, independents - hopefully, empedocles Mar 2022 #23
Wonder what Will has to say about DeSantis... SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #25
Can they take his Pulitzer away? n/t barbaraann Mar 2022 #28
take that, *ucker carlson jimmy the one Mar 2022 #12
He said the Tea Party is the Republican party. He meant that as a compliment. n/t John1956PA Mar 2022 #16
crime, pandemic authoritarianism and educational intolerance usonian Mar 2022 #17
I'll believe somthing is "lethal" to him when he keels over. JHB Mar 2022 #18
Read all of it before you pat Will on the back JHB Mar 2022 #19
In answer to his first paragraph: barbaraann Mar 2022 #30
George Will has never been very nice, certainly not to Dems and Liberals FakeNoose Mar 2022 #24
I started reading George Will's column Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #29
I recall reading sometime in the 80s... SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #32
he's just mad because Trump exposed his con bigtree Mar 2022 #31

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
1. A helpful reminder of his adulation of putin
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 06:50 AM
Mar 2022

Summer 2019:

"A small number of tanks and an assortment of military aircraft will participate in this year's national Fourth of July celebration in Washington."

Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #1)

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
2. Yes he vilified Trump but
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:23 AM
Mar 2022

as usual, he painted the democrats as less-than-competent…

I’m being polite early on a Sunday morning.

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
4. He has always been an unconscionable pompous elitist .... (add your choice of epithet
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:50 AM
Mar 2022

He can get his pieces published to say the obvious about Trump, but not without predictably blaming DEMS for trying to address the shit show they inherited. And he barely touches the wider R party.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
22. Every NeverTrumper, every day:
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:36 PM
Mar 2022

"This department has gone __0__ days without publicly expressing scorn for Democrats and liberals."

Celerity

(43,333 posts)
3. Will also opened up his withered batty crease and took a hot steaming shit on Dems
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:39 AM
Mar 2022
From Capitol Hill to city halls, Democrats have presided over surges of debt, inflation, crime, pandemic authoritarianism and educational intolerance. Public schools, a point of friction between citizens and government, are hostages of Democratic-aligned teachers unions that have positioned K-12 education in an increasingly adversarial relationship with parents. The most lethal threat to Democrats, however, is the message Americans are hearing from the party’s media-magnified progressive minority: You should be ashamed of your country.

Trump’s message is similar. He says this country is saturated with corruption, from the top, where dimwits represent the evidently dimwitted voters who elected them, down to municipalities that conduct rigged elections. Progressives say the nation’s past is squalid and not really past; Trump says the nation’s present is a disgrace.




he can also fuck right off

DFW

(54,365 posts)
6. "educational intolerance" Now THAT's a laugh.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:59 AM
Mar 2022

The Republican Party is basically intolerant of education in general.

They DO approve of indoctrination, but only as long as it's THEIR indoctrination.

In trying to appear the erudite independent, George comes across as neither. He can do better than that. Maybe he is getting tired of bashing people he has secretly found not to be evil after all (namely us), but can't bring himself to admit it publicly.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. Republican SLEAZE is beyond reform
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:52 AM
Mar 2022

So flicking the biggest stankiest piece of moral crap will make small difference.

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
9. How has this man been able to build an entire prize-winning career on "No True Scotsman" garbage???
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:09 AM
Mar 2022

Tens of millions of Republicans voted for Trump because he perfectly mirrors their dark hearts and twisted souls and George Will perfectly mirrors the insane, distorted views of Republicans regarding the Democratic Party.

As we all know here, the Republican Party is a terminal disease, and Donald Trump is just a symptom.

DFW

(54,365 posts)
15. He is an educated Republican who can write coherent English
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

George Will always writes correct English, never in Republicanese. He knows you never use an apostrophe to form a plural. He knows the difference between "its" and "it's." He knows the difference between "your" and "you're." He knows the difference between "their" and "there."

How many Republicans know all THAT? No wonder he's such a star among them. Any more grammatically correct than that, and he'd have to become a Democrat by default, and that would almost certainly kill him.

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
20. Ha! I hadn't thought of that. :)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:33 PM
Mar 2022

His perfect grammar combined with his extreme sense of superiority goes a long way, doesn't it?

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
26. Baseball. In his 1990's PBS documentary about the Game, Ken Burns made Will a pop icon .
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:11 PM
Mar 2022

Before he was just another conservative columnist who wrote for a large circulation paper/syndicate.

(Funny thing is, his baseball commentary sucks too.)

Will makes me hurl. Fuck anything he says about anybody.



empedocles

(15,751 posts)
10. Again. We need to learn the lessons of the past.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:10 AM
Mar 2022

Again. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend. - … '

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enemy_of_my...

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an ancient proverb which suggests that two parties can or should work together against a common enemy. A phrase that some people consider to be similar is found in a Sanskrit treatise on statecraft, the Arthashastra, which dates to around the 4th ...See more'

[I don't like Will either. However, he writes nationwide, twice weekly, and is influential.
Wills, 'Torch Trump' column, drew 6971 comments in a day! We need some of those votes to win November elections.
Dems cannot rely on Dem commentators to win over decisive November voters - as much as that pains some Democrats].

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
13. IMHO, Trump voters need to see that the better choice is the Democratic Party, not just a different
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:24 AM
Mar 2022

Republican like Ron DeSantis.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
14. That would be nice of course. However, that assumption hasn't worked well enough for
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:28 AM
Mar 2022

Democratic policies to get done, in the last couple of elections.

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
21. I hoping against all odds that Liz Cheney converts and brings a few other R's with her.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:36 PM
Mar 2022

I don't really have any hope for her father to convert, though.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
23. There are a lot of moderates in both parties, independents - hopefully,
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 03:58 PM
Mar 2022

we don't have another 'DEFUND' type issue to scare folk away.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
25. Wonder what Will has to say about DeSantis...
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 06:40 PM
Mar 2022

I'm thinking of the George Will from the ABC Sunday Morning shows with Cokie, Sam and David...


Desantis is the second choice of the base. And he promotes an EXTREMELY right wing agenda. So, Will has apparently been radicalized for the sake of a paycheck.

Here's a take on his objections to The Democrats' For the People Act. He believes it unconstitutional. And with a hard right wing SCOTUS, I don't see how voters get protection for at least a generation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/12/george-will-gets-almost-everything-wrong-about-voting-rights/266504/

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
12. take that, *ucker carlson
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:21 AM
Mar 2022

I especially like this part from George Will's article:

Speaking of embarrassments: We are the sum of our choices, and Vladimir Putin has provoked some Trump poodles to make illuminating ones. Their limitless capacity for canine loyalty now encompasses the Kremlin war criminal.

For example, the vaudevillian-as-journalist Tucker Carlson, who never lapses into logic, speaks like an arrested-development adolescent: Putin has never called me a racist, so there


Well said, George Will
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(I self deleted this earlier after accidentally posting it as a reply to a reply)

usonian

(9,781 posts)
17. crime, pandemic authoritarianism and educational intolerance
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:33 AM
Mar 2022

George Will and fellow "conservative pundits" know how to use TWENTY DOLLAR WORDS FOR RACISM.

Tramp, now out of power is found too crude fir them.

Too F-ing bad.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
19. Read all of it before you pat Will on the back
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:02 AM
Mar 2022

Like every NeverTrumper, they can't simply attack the beast they created. They alway have to slap Democrats, and left-of-center Democrats in particular.

From Capitol Hill to city halls, Democrats have presided over surges of debt, inflation, crime, pandemic authoritarianism and educational intolerance. Public schools, a point of friction between citizens and government, are hostages of Democratic-aligned teachers unions that have positioned K-12 education in an increasingly adversarial relationship with parents. The most lethal threat to Democrats, however, is the message Americans are hearing from the party’s media-magnified progressive minority: You should be ashamed of your country.

Trump’s message is similar. He says this country is saturated with corruption, from the top, where dimwits represent the evidently dimwitted voters who elected them, down to municipalities that conduct rigged elections. Progressives say the nation’s past is squalid and not really past; Trump says the nation’s present is a disgrace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/04/power-of-trump-in-gop-is-waning/

(paywalled, but it's quoting him, not filtered through a third-party)

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
30. In answer to his first paragraph:
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:24 PM
Mar 2022

Debt: GOP Presidents Have Been the Worst Contributors to the federal debt
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/gop-presidents-have-been-the-worst-contributors-to-the-federal-debt/264193/

Crime: National violent crime 1990-2020
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Pandemic authoritarianism: What the hell is that supposed to mean??? Pandemics cannot be fought without public health requirements.

Educational intolerance: Wait, aren't the public schools accused of too much tolerance by Republicans? Isn't it the Republicans who are attacking school boards, curricula, and teachers?

Democrats message is "You should be ashamed of your country." NO, Democrats' message is that you should be aware of the actual history of your country--be proud of what is good and work to improve what is not. Wasn't the message of the Jan. 6 insurrectionists that we should be ashamed of our country's government?

Oh, drat, I don't have enough time left in my lifetime to spell out what is wrong with George Will's swill.


FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
24. George Will has never been very nice, certainly not to Dems and Liberals
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 04:07 PM
Mar 2022

I really don't feel that I need to thank him for being a NeverTrumper. The bandwagon of NeverTrumpers is filling up, and he wants to make sure he's got a spot. Didn't we all predict this would eventually happen, back in 2016? I know many of us did.

It's like the sign that gets posted in the five-and-dime store: "You break it, you bought it."

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
29. I started reading George Will's column
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:31 PM
Mar 2022

in Newsweek decades ago. The only value he has ever had to me is as a fan of the complexities of the English language, I enjoyed his mastery of it. I don't think I ever read one of his columns without having to look up the meaning of a word or two. I rarely agree with the content, though.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
32. I recall reading sometime in the 80s...
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 03:26 AM
Mar 2022

...that he became a conservative when it was time to pay for his children's orthadonture. (Or that people in general do). I don't think the term conservative means that to 90% of conservatives. At some point in the 80s, the religious right took it over. And now they are left with a hot cauldron of toxic beliefs that in no way support each other. I think the only commonality is their hatred of government. And democrats want government to work for us.

And their previous hero Reagan said: “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”
That set the Republican Party on a spiraling downward road to hell.

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
31. he's just mad because Trump exposed his con
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:56 PM
Mar 2022

...took all of his rw nonsense out for a joyride and exposed all of their authoritarian avarice for the world to gawk at.

George Will's a drip of a fascist in his own time who can't stand that Trump flung the erstwhile hack's cynical conservative claptrap around like poo and made some of it stick to the wall.

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