How long are we going to stand by?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. It is frustrating to say the LEAST, but to jump into this war would start WWIII.

And there is no going back from nukes. They are forever.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

3. Putin already said the economic sanctions are an act of war.

He wants a fight, he is going to keep pushing for it.

Question now is how long are we gonna set out of it? Going to wait for another Pearl Harbor and 9/11?

[BeyondGeography]

14. He wants a fight so the focus won't be on his disaster in Ukraine

Indulging him would be a mistake. We’re providing intel to Ukraine and arming them along with many of our allies. The sanctions are exacting a heavy toll on the Russian economy and that will increase over time. That’s the plan and we should stick to it, even though this is often unbearable watch, let alone endure.

[wnylib]

18. +100000

[wnylib]

15. Your "reasoning" then is that there are

Not enough people dying. We should have a nuclear third world war in order to kill off several million more people.

How does that help Ukraine, Europe, and the rest of the world?

[durablend]

17. BUT WE'LL TEACH THAT PUTIN A LESSON!!!!! /s

[wnylib]

7. Agree.

[uponit7771]

2. We are not 'standing by', please look at OSINT or other sources on how NATO is involved in UKR

[Lady Freedom Returns]

4. It's not enough.

[wnylib]

8. Would a world wide nuclear destruction

be enough for you?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

12. Do you really think that setting back would stop him from...

Useing them? He is out for conquest. It won't stop him from useing them.

[wnylib]

27. So you don't keep up with what things

the world is doing? You are unaware of the arming of Ukraine, the sanctions that are crippling the Russian economy and ability to sustain war?

I am grateful that there are intelligent people in charge who are making rational decisions about strategies. I prefer them over armchair generals.

[CrackityJones75]

31. You have it in your mind

You have it in your mind that nuclear war is inevitable so we should just get it over with. Personally I would like to buy as much time as is possible before that comes to fruition to see if other opportunities present themselves before destroying all life on the planet save for maybe cockroaches. But maybe that’s just me. I am sort of funny like that. Wanting to avoid destroying the planet and all.

[Wingus Dingus]

37. Putin's not going to invade anyone else, for a very long time, at least.

He's bogged down somewhat in Ukraine, has damaged his troops' morale and his military looks fucking stupid AND this is using up much of their military capabilities. AND it's expensive. AND his nation is being economically and culturally punished. Some of his advisors are going to stay away from windows, because his initial objectives in Ukraine are not coming to fruition. He's not winning in any sense except as an angry bull on a rampage is allowed to keep rampaging for a while.

[ProfessorGAC]

51. In Addition...

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...they never had the cash flow to support an occupation. Sanctions or not.
They needed this to be fast, efficient & thorough. They badly miscalculated their own capability, Ukraine's resistance, & world reaction.
This is going to be an economic disaster, and it STARTED as an economic mistake. There was never an economic upside.

[Wingus Dingus]

53. Yes, I agree.

[USALiberal]

25. Are you a military expert.?? Nt

[Tomconroy]

5. No Fly Zone Now!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

6. +1

[wnylib]

11. A no fly zone established by Ukranians, perhaps.

But there will not be one by NATO, the US, the EU, or the UN for millions of human reasons.

[stopdiggin]

40. I think 'no fly' represents direct participation

more or less active combat role. It seems like a lot of people see this as a defensive half measure - but if Polish (or German, or French, or American) planes start engaging and shooting down Russian ones ...

It's military escalation. I think the escalation has to be clearly seen and appreciated as coming from Putin. My opinion.

[USALiberal]

59. Start WW3 then?

[RKP5637]

9. I fear this is Putin's modus operandi as he goes around picking off

non-NATO countries, threatening, "I have nukes." The man is a sociopathic KGB type IMO. I certainly don't have suggestions, but I don't see this ending with Ukraine. A No Fly Zone could be one solution, but likely he sees this as an act of war. I wonder how far before he really declares war on sanctions.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

16. I don't ether.

As with WWII, WWIII is starting, do we wait for a Pearl Harbor ?

[RKP5637]

21. That's been on my mind for some time now. He's not going to stop! n/t

[Lady Freedom Returns]

23. We've seen what happens when a leader gets the conquest bug before.

Many times. That's why we built such a militarily.
Sad to see some many ready to relive history.

[RKP5637]

30. Putin is not going to give IMO anything amicable to Ukraine in negotiations. It will be IMO

a bunch of unreasonable demands ... then, which country is next. It's really frustrating for those of us that have lived through this shit before. I was alive when Hitler was still around.

[stopdiggin]

41. I'm very doubtful that this represents WWIII

And I think escalation at this point (in a conflict where Russia is fairly very badly) - would be a very serious miscalculation on the part of the west and our allies.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

20. I can't understand why people not remembering history.

We've seen this show before and a bunch of people are ready to relive it.

[RKP5637]

22. Yeah, it's a deja vu. SOS again, different times, different people, but SOS. n/t

[Beachnutt]

10. Take the madman out COVERTLY

so that it is not known which country took him out and everybody wins.

[wnylib]

13. That's the ideal solution - if it could be done.

[RKP5637]

19. That, would certainly change the dynamics of this mess. Perhaps even seen as saving humanity

from this beast.

[Wingus Dingus]

35. That would be near-impossible. And the start of WW3.

Only Russia can take out this guy.

[stopdiggin]

42. I'll challenge the second statement

Putin's successor (or military apparatus) would being willing to take on -- who exactly? -- at this point in time -- and following the debacle that is unfolding before their eyes?
You're first statement might be much more accurate.

[Wingus Dingus]

46. I don't think they will get rid of Putin. I read a very illuminating

twitter thread from a Russian expat professor whose name I can't remember, and she said Putin's very-loyal strongmen around him wouldn't turn on him, and most likely neither will the oligarchs--because all of these men are basically DONE in Russia, if Putin goes. They need Putin more than Putin needs them, and they know it.

That said, if a country WAS going to be destabilized and undergo regime change of the sort we're talking about...I'd look to Belarus. I sincerely hope the people there revolt and overthrow Lukashenko. That would really fuck up Pooty's world, be a HUGE headache, and prevent him from being able to hold Ukraine, possibly. We included them on some sanctions and they stepped back from committing forces to Ukraine--clearly effective pressure. Need to step it up.

[stopdiggin]

48. much more agreement here. -(nt)-

[WarGamer]

24. How many American lives are YOU willing to offer up to Mars?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

26. We're going to lose lives one way or another in this.

We wait and the body count is going to be worse.

[WarGamer]

28. Explain.

The only way we lose US lives is if we send our troops over THERE.

But let's hear a number... how many lives is A-OK?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

39. Does Pearl Harbor and 9/11 come to mind?

He is already yelling that we have done an act of war with the sanctions. He is showing he wants a fight.

[stopdiggin]

43. Then he brings it to us. We don't go to him.

But he's going to do no such thing.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

45. Not the best defensive stance.

Best defense is playing offense.

[stopdiggin]

47. jingoisms aside - Biden has played a superb hand of defense, and containment.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

52. They tried that play before.

But Hitler just kept going. Japan and Italy joined him....

We know how all that played out.

[stopdiggin]

58. and we also know this is a significantly different script -(nt)-

[WarGamer]

55. he has... and we KNOW for a fact there is a line of communication 24/7

between Moscow and DC...

A "deconfliction line"

I feel better knowing pros are running the show

[USALiberal]

60. Really? FFS!

[JustAnotherGen]

29. What the world needs is a

von Stauffenberg.

[RKP5637]

32. +1, n/t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. Here's a suggestion,

Ukraine is asking for volunteers to fight the Russians, so, put your money where your mouth is and go to the nearest Ukrainian Embassy and volunteer to fight for them.

[Totally Tunsie]

34. What would you have US do?

Which and how many of OUR sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, and nieces and nephews are you willing to risk?

This is not OUR war...yet. It will be as soon as we do more than offer background assistance.

What are YOU personally willing to do or sacrifice? What are YOU doing now?

It's so easy to say "Get involved." It's so difficult to extricate ourselves once we do.

Let's leave the military decisions to those entrusted to make them.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

36. Remember history.

We set out the start of WWII and look at the destruction. How many died because we set back. It took Pearl Harbor to get us involved.
Putin is already saying that we have done acts of war. He is going to drag us into it.

[Totally Tunsie]

38. Yes,

please DO remember history.



Remember our thousands of precious citizens lost in the furor of past wars. Don't be in such a rush to commit more to their doom

We fortunately have put President Biden in place to handle matters such as this. He's well aware of Putin and his possibilities. I have to trust he has the information and acumen to make the right decisions.

Vague questions and silly polls on a social forum aren't - and shouldn't - dictate what actions are to be taken. Such a worthless exercise!

You don't seem to answer the questions asked of YOU, such as: "What are YOU personally willing to do or sacrifice? What are YOU doing now?"

[Lady Freedom Returns]

62. If we don't stand up now, it will be worse.

It can come on to our shores. The death count will have small children added to it.

Best defense is offense.

[USALiberal]

61. He is not!! Unless we do what you want us to do!!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

63. Yes he has.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-western-sanctions-are-akin-declaration-war-2022-03-05/

[USALiberal]

64. Read it again....

"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

[stopdiggin]

44. So many 'fighters' - - on message boards -(nt)-

[ibegurpard]

49. We aren't standing by

We are coordinating with allies on unprecedented sanctions and providing Ukrainians with support. Will more need to be done? We shall see.

[MineralMan]

50. "We" are not just standing by.

If, by "We" you mean the United States of America, "We" are doing many things to make Russia feel pain for what it is doing. We have more in the works.

If, by "We," you mean something that includes you, then please tell us what you will do. If it includes me, I am not interested in doing anything at this moment that will provoke Putin into going nuclear.

But, we are not "just standing by." Nope.

[ProfessorGAC]

54. Unrec For Horribly Flawed Premise (nt)

[Emile]

56. Seriously we're on the brink of nuclear war. President Biden is

putting the hurt on the Russia economy. I trust my president, that's why I voted for him.

[DashOneBravo]

57. Well

Or your children/grandchild.