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turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:54 AM Mar 2022

Deer have antlers, walruses have tusks - here's why so few birds have weapons of their own

By The Conversation
Published March 07, 2022

Mating season in the animal kingdom can be dramatic, and sometimes violent. As an example, take deer clashing their antlers during the rut – nostrils flaring, hooves hammering the ground, grass flying everywhere, and that eerie silence before the thunderous collision. The winning buck gets access to the harem, while the loser must find other females to fight for.

Many other animals also have formidable weapons. They range from rhinoceros beetles’ pointy horns to fiddler crabs’ proportionally gigantic claws and the long tusks of walruses and narwhals.

Birds also need to compete for their mates, which often involves fiercely defending a territory. But most birds don’t sport impressive weapons; we know them better for their colors, dances and songs. As evolutionary biologists primarily interested in birds and weapons, respectively, we couldn’t help but wonder: Why do most birds lack their own version of antlers? The answer, which we present in a recent study, likely lies in a trade-off between flying and fighting.

https://www.rawstory.com/deer-have-antlers-walruses-have-tusks-heres-why-so-few-birds-have-weapons-of-their-own/

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3Hotdogs

(12,382 posts)
1. Dunno. There was a squabble at my (their) bird feeder this afternoon.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:56 AM
Mar 2022

One starling chased another away from the suet. It went away, came back and got chased away a second time.

mopinko

(70,107 posts)
10. my 1st thought, too.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:45 AM
Mar 2022

also, because of their high heart rate, they bleed out reeeeeally quick.

and roosters have spurs.

mopinko

(70,107 posts)
16. got to tell you a story about kali-
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:00 PM
Mar 2022

so, spring of 2020, i tore up my neglected front yard garden.
i'm not religious in anyway, but i was making jokes about channeling kali.
well, as shit ran downhill all summer, by sept, i had lost patience w my neighbors. i posted a rant on my fb page, and to get people's attention, i posted a pic of the 'blue kali', like your avatar, but blue skin and a blue background. famous painting.

fast forward to about 2 months ago, had a prospective tenant. refugees from hondurus, 11 people.
the night before they're gonna sign, they go back through my fb page and find the post. scared the shit out of them. oh well. funny thing, they were being subsidized by a religious group, but had no idea who kali was, or why a farmer like me, who started out w a weedy eyesore w no soil, and built a whole ecosystem, would identify w her.

i've about lost hope for our species.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
18. Yeah, I was thinking of herons, nitterns, and egrets.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:11 PM
Mar 2022

Their beaks are like stilettos. They use them to impale their food, ffs. Then there's eagles. I know some raptor rehabilitators. They keep a leather apron around in case they ever have to treat an eagle. It's to protect their innards from the eagle's talons, which could rip right through chest wall and belly, and into one's vital organs.

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
4. Though I love them, those Ruby throated hummers are nasty little bastards and that long beak
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 01:07 AM
Mar 2022

Sure looks like it could do some damage to another hummer.

Donkees

(31,407 posts)
8. 'The Aztecs believed that hummingbirds were the reincarnation of fallen warriors.'
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:23 AM
Mar 2022

The Aztecs believed that hummingbirds were the reincarnation of fallen warriors. When a warrior was killed in battle, he would return to Earth as a hummingbird, which the Aztec people referred to as 'dart hurlers.'


The Most Powerful Aztec God had the Hummingbird as his Spirit Animal
CULTURE | November 23, 2018

When you think of fierce, strong, noble animals…ones that would be a perfect symbol of the supreme power wielded by an all-mighty Aztec god, you would probably consider a vicious bear, dangerous alligator, or regal jaguar. But for Huitzilopochtli, the Aztec god of the sun and war, the most powerful god in the Aztec mythology, the fiercest, mightiest spirit animal he could attach to was a surprise contender…the diminutive hummingbird.

The Aztec people believed that Huitzilopochtli demanded to be honored with a blood sacrifice. The Aztec high priests would wear sacred cloaks made entirely of hummingbird skins…and estimated 8,000 tiny hummingbirds would be needed to make one adult-sized cloak. According to accounts, the cloaks were beautiful, shimmering, iridescent marvels. The priests wore them when they offered their sacrifices to the Huitzilopochtli. They cut the still-beating heart from a captive enemy or sacrificial slave and presented it to the hummingbird god to ensure victory in battle.

Hummingbirds are one of the most aggressive of all the bird species. Fighting happens frequently among hummingbirds, even one of the same species. They fight over territory, food sources, and, of course, female hummingbirds. Male hummingbirds, experts tell us, fight more often over territory. Female hummingbirds fight to defend their nests. During battle, the diminutive hummingbird will stab its opponent with its dagger-like beak and claw at him using its razor-sharp talons.

https://curioushistorian.com/the-most-powerful-aztec-god-had-the-hummingbird-as-his-spirit-animal

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
9. Toppa my head? The same reason airplanes aren't made out of reinforced steel -
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:16 AM
Mar 2022

When you can fly, maintaining that ability is highly and widely advantageous - moreso than reducing flight ability in favor of a comparatively rarely employed weapon or other defense.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
12. Because those things are heavy, which for most birds...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:54 AM
Mar 2022

...would defeat the whole "live long enough to pass on your genes" thing. Weight = Harder to fly.

Hugin

(33,148 posts)
19. Having personally witnessed a handler's forearm crushed by...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:17 PM
Mar 2022

A mildly startled owl.

I have to agree. The author needs to have another peek at the facts.

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