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Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:14 AM

Argument with relative about Kamala Harris

Son-in-law...who purposely mispronounces her first name.

Him: "She's the most ineffective Vice President ever!"

Me: "How?" "Why?"

Him: "She's supposed to be the border czar and is never at the border. She's never visible."

I tried to pull up facts to refute this.

Me: "So, what's the reason for the current focus on the VP to be the savior of all things? Was this applied to any other former VP? Name me three things Pence solved in his tenure."

Him: "At least he went to the border of North Korea."

Me: "And how did that turn out?"

More back and forth.

Me: "Do you think she is subject to a double standard because she is the first womam VP and VP of color?"

Him: "How DARE you call me sexist and racist!"

Eye roll.



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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:17 AM

1. She's a woman and she's not white

she has to do everything in order to be perceived as doing anything.

That's how it works in this country.

A white woman has to be twice as good.

A non-white woman has to be many more times than that.

All in order to be perceived as half as competent as the most mediocre white man possible.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:24 AM

3. Truth.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:33 AM

6. Sad but true. I had a elderly woman of color who was patiently waiting for her exam

while others bitched and complained to the receptionist. When I got around to doing her test
I prided her on her patience. She told me she was just observing what she called "The Ladder" I asked what that was. She said her Momma told her how it works many years ago.
On the ladder the white man is on top, next is the white woman, next is the black man and at the bottom is the black woman. I was sad to hear this late 19 century,early 20 th century thinking . I'm glad it's changing but it takes a while to win hearts and minds..

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:24 AM

10. The sad truth is

A lot of white people want to keep their position on the ladder so they consider themselves above other people

Thinking more about

I, a white woman, would rather be at the bottom with a sister of color and be able to shake the ladder and knock off all the jackass's

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:19 AM

2. Reminds me of how stupid people found out about some of the things presidents routinely do by

complaining about things Obama did as though he was breaking a rule somehow. Never cared or noticed until the black guy did it.,

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:29 AM

4. This person sounds like a racist misogynist

"at least he went to the border if north korea" .

The guy just sounds like a bigoted dumbass.

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:32 AM

5. Many more conversations like this will take place during Ketanji Brown Jackson's confirmation.

Along with all the other nasty things white conservative men always say in these situations, they'll also purposely mispronounce her name, predictably feigning outrage when their sexism and racism is pointed out.

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:44 AM

7. Since when was she suppose to be the border czar? Really stupid.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 11:17 AM

11. Didn't Biden put her in charge of that at the start of his Presidency?

Of course, Fox and MSM kept acting like she should have been living at the border and singlehandedly preventing people from crossing the border- otherwise she wasn't doing anything (or worse was encouraging more immigration)

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Response to Mad_Machine76 (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:23 PM

14. VP Harris is in charge of getting to the root causes

"Harrisís mission, as directed by Biden, is to meet with heads of state and other officials to tackle the enduring problems, including poverty and violence, that spur people south of the U.S. border with Mexico to migrate to the United States. She is also being briefed by an array of experts on policies that affect the flow of migrants.

But administration officials, from the president down, have stressed that she is not responsible for dealing with the surge of migrants at the border, including the record number of unaccompanied minors."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/harris-gop-border/2021/04/16/c3a2f63e-9e24-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:06 AM

8. My brother and sister are in the same vein

On occasion I will respond with some actual factual information but they are both so indoctrinated by Faux etc. that it is hardly worth my time and effort. Of course anything I might cite from NPR, Washington Post, or any other reputable generally factual source is immediately dismissed as socialist propaganda. It makes me sad - I no longer want to visit with them in person. At least I can ignore text messages.

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:09 AM

9. I'd have stopped him at "czar." Authoritarians and populists may prefer "czars"

as part of uber-powerful "establishment."

That term's an anti-democracy button-pusher for me. I'd never let him get the conversation back to our VP.

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 11:22 AM

12. Why isn't she camped out at the border?!?

Jesus christ

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 04:29 PM

17. Ted Cruz Watch

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:16 PM

13. He started paying attention when it was someone he hates.

Iím not saying your son-in-law never votes, but these are the kinds of conversations I have with people who never vote.

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:25 PM

15. You could explain to your son-in-law what VP Harris's actual responsibility is

"Harrisís mission, as directed by Biden, is to meet with heads of state and other officials to tackle the enduring problems, including poverty and violence, that spur people south of the U.S. border with Mexico to migrate to the United States. She is also being briefed by an array of experts on policies that affect the flow of migrants.

But administration officials, from the president down, have stressed that she is not responsible for dealing with the surge of migrants at the border, including the record number of unaccompanied minors."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/harris-gop-border/2021/04/16/c3a2f63e-9e24-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html

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Response to NCDem47 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:28 PM

16. Probably he hates every Democrat

Maybe it's about race/sex, maybe not. Many here said criticism of Obama was largely race-based, but I don't really see Republicans going any easier on Joe Biden. They also hammered Bill Clinton, who is an Anglo moderate.

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