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Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:00 AM Mar 2022

Roger Stone's potential Jan. 6 swan song -- and what it means for Trump

On Wednesday, Joshua James, the leader of the Alabama Chapter of Oath Keepers, pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and obstruction of Congress for trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election. The Oath Keepers — a group of anti-government extremists — were among those who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. As part of his guilty plea, James agreed to cooperate with prosecutors, including providing testimony to a grand jury.

--snip--

After the Jan. 6 protest turned into a bloody riot, however, Stone evidently panicked. As a violent mob ransacked the Capitol, he packed his bags and reportedly told an aide, “I really want to get out of here” adding that he thought the riot would be “really bad for the movement.”

After the riot, he lobbied Trump to enact the “Stone Plan” — a blanket pardon to shield himself and Trump’s allies in Congress from prosecution for any efforts to overturn the election more generally. Stone had good reason to think Trump would offer such a pardon. After all, Trump pardoned him after he was indicted (and convicted) on charges of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction of justice. What’s one more pardon between friends?

But according to The Washington Post, White House counsel Pat Cipollone “thwarted” the Stone Plan, prompting Stone to write to an associate: “See you in prison.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roger-stone-s-potential-jan-6-swan-song-and-what-it-means-for-trump/ar-AAUS9bm?ocid=msedgntp

Stone is absolutely in the crosshairs of the DOJ right now and when he goes down, he will flip in a second to try and avoid dying in prison. He will give over everything and everyone.

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Roger Stone's potential Jan. 6 swan song -- and what it means for Trump (Original Post) Ohio Joe Mar 2022 OP
I hope you're right about that. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #1
I find the last part of the first paragraph interesting... Ohio Joe Mar 2022 #2
I noticed that too. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #4
interesting point.. but in the excerpt I'm inferring from the text that the reference to the msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #7
For Stone, the Oath Keeper movement was about 2 things Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #3
Trump may well have pissed off his co-conspirators by failing to pardon them. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #5
TFG should give them the pardons now. LOL He probably thinks he can. Just write up one of those brewens Mar 2022 #32
I'll bet he's considering that right now. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #33
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #8
1 of my theories on this is that sdfernando Mar 2022 #10
I think you are right, and that his wish to wnylib Mar 2022 #18
That sounds like Trump logic for sure. Power certainly went to his head. Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #27
Sounds plausible. Remember how petty and punishing that bastard is. calimary Mar 2022 #28
It's a curious thing... Ohio Joe Mar 2022 #29
Yeah, I think he'll flip PatSeg Mar 2022 #6
I can think of few people who deserve prison more than Roger Stone... Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #9
He should die in prison under any circumstances. NNadir Mar 2022 #11
One day Roger...it's coming Budi Mar 2022 #12
LOVE IT!!!! robbob Mar 2022 #17
Quite amusing! NNadir Mar 2022 #23
Only Trump deserves it more CanonRay Mar 2022 #13
I LIKE it! But HATE why all of this happened in the first place: RW American's fear & ignorance. n/t TeamProg Mar 2022 #14
Make it so malaise Mar 2022 #15
A paper tiger, is Roger Stone. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #16
Stone's choices: Stay quiet, go to prison, no more wife swapping, or, flip, remain free, and have Pepsidog Mar 2022 #19
He may do som short time however ashredux Mar 2022 #20
I would love to see him in prison. Pepsidog Mar 2022 #22
He still gets off watching his wife having fun with younger men? (nt) Elwood P Dowd Mar 2022 #26
"See you in prison" Martin Eden Mar 2022 #21
I would love to se Stone go to prison, and implicate Trump et al. Martin68 Mar 2022 #24
KR TY Cha Mar 2022 #25
Didn't Jones testify to the grand jury before the pleading was inked? L. Coyote Mar 2022 #30
Sounds good to me. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2022 #31

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
2. I find the last part of the first paragraph interesting...
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

While I've suspected there was a grand jury, this is the first confirmation I've seen.

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
7. interesting point.. but in the excerpt I'm inferring from the text that the reference to the
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:03 PM
Mar 2022

grand jury as an event that *could* happen, rather than has happened. or even is happening.

I'd like to assume, Stone is scheduled to appear or has been called already as a grand jury witness
Don't mean to pick at this detail, but if it is mentioned as having already transpired, which would be both interesting and gratifying providing he spilled everything he knows and naming names.



P.S. I feel like I've read so much about various investigations we wanted to see happen, and has gone on and on but never coming close to expectations. Just reports of folding or closed without even so much as a fine. I'm thinking of the Manhattan office in particular at the moment, which sickens to me to my core. Was I expecting the impossible? (apparently)














Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
3. For Stone, the Oath Keeper movement was about 2 things
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:21 AM
Mar 2022

1. A source of income for himself

2. A way to leverage the groups fundraising to influence future elections

Stone is a political operative. He gets paid by politicians to keep things stirred up. Not to actually see any real change happen.

Rioting in the Capitol is not what he signed up for.

I agree he'll flip.

I don't understand why Trump didn't do The Stone Plane. I'm glad he didn't. But it was a greave mistake on his part. Had he issued the blanket pardons, those people would have followed him into hot lava.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. Trump may well have pissed off his co-conspirators by failing to pardon them.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:54 AM
Mar 2022

He will indeed regret that.

brewens

(13,626 posts)
32. TFG should give them the pardons now. LOL He probably thinks he can. Just write up one of those
Fri Mar 11, 2022, 06:24 AM
Mar 2022

"from the 45th president" things declaring they are pardoned.

sdfernando

(4,947 posts)
10. 1 of my theories on this is that
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:16 PM
Mar 2022

tdfg probably didn't feel like these guys did enough to keep him in power...especially trying to high-tail it out of there...so as is the tdfg's way, he is punching-down and dominating them. "you didn't do enough to help me so now I won't help you"

wnylib

(21,648 posts)
18. I think you are right, and that his wish to
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 01:09 PM
Mar 2022

punish and dominate them by refusing pardons can backfire on him.

Trump might have thought he had nothing to fear about his refusal backfiring because he really believed that he could retain or regain power to stay in control and prevent any consequences to himself.

calimary

(81,523 posts)
28. Sounds plausible. Remember how petty and punishing that bastard is.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 04:30 PM
Mar 2022

The donald is an absolute Gorgon of Grievance, always whining about how unfair fill-in-the-blank-here is to him.

Whine whine whine. Snivel snivel snivel. And still whoring for attention.

The “man” is a freakin’ spoiled adult-size five-year-old.

And as he goes down, I hope he takes ol’ Roger down with him. Or vice versa.

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
29. It's a curious thing...
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 04:30 PM
Mar 2022

I really just assumed he would grant a ton of pardons, not just for his supporters but for himself as well yet... He failed to do it. Arrogance... Stupidity... Senility... A combination. I don't know but it is one failure I'm glad he had.

PatSeg

(47,633 posts)
6. Yeah, I think he'll flip
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:59 AM
Mar 2022

He is loyal to no one except himself. How he has avoided prison all these years is incomprehensible. He is open and proud to be an unapologetic dirty trickster.

Wounded Bear

(58,728 posts)
9. I can think of few people who deserve prison more than Roger Stone...
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:05 PM
Mar 2022

he has done more to undermine the US Government than hardly anyone over the last 40 years or so.

NNadir

(33,565 posts)
11. He should die in prison under any circumstances.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 12:21 PM
Mar 2022

He's a lifelong criminal with multiple offenses with no chance of rehabilitation.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
19. Stone's choices: Stay quiet, go to prison, no more wife swapping, or, flip, remain free, and have
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

tons of fun living the swingers lifestyle. He will flip.

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