I have come to the conclusion, looking at the insane, woman-hating bills coming

[niyad]

out (MO being top of the list today), that the people demanding and writing these bills are reincarnations of those who tortured and killed women during the Burning Times. They did not get us all then, though Goddess knows they tried, and it looks like they are back to finish the job.

All the patriarchal, murdering, hate-filled christofascists thugs can go fuck themselves. They know that their numbers are waning, this is their last-ditch effort to exert control, or burn it all down. May they receive everything they deserve.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. K & R!

[TheProle]

2. Righteous thread. +1

[madaboutharry]

3. And the reason they hate women remains the same.

Independent and strong women are a threat to their power. Control over the physical body of another person is the ultimate power.

[soldierant]

31. And they all have the same delusion that, id the do get us all,

they will have obtained power. Insetead, if they destroy what they want power over, they will have NO power, because any power they might have will be over nothing.

Basically what Putin appears to be attempting in Ukraine.

[Ligyron]

4. I'm with you there sister.

[Hekate]

5. Sounds about right to me

[I_UndergroundPanther]

6. May Sekhmet

Capture them all in burning chains, ringed with knives on the inside and drag them to Ammit to be eaten by her. I dont want these fuckers anywhere there is eternity of love,happiness and peace.

[Efilroft Sul]

7. Orcs. Every last one of them, and their supporters.

[littlemissmartypants]

8. Why doesn't this count as violence against women?

I'm so angry about this. What can we do? I wonder what the various organizations like Advance, PP others are doing. There have to be some plans or schemes out there somewhere. This cannot stand!

[niyad]

11. it IS violence against women, and should be framed that way.

[Rebl2]

22. Absolutely

violence against women.

[electric_blue68]

34. A woman who can't control when, or if she wants a child/children is NOT free!

[True Blue American]

70. Raise hell with those who are writing, signing

Those bills and vote for women. Just make sure those women’s views are the same as ours!

Trouble making, spiteful, insecure women not allowed. We all know who they are, just listen. I minute will reveal how they are.

[Hortensis]

76. Because extremist talk TURNS PEOPLE OFF.

Those it does resonate with are already very firm in their views. The job is to convince more relatively uninvolved people that they need to keep abortion legal.

An alternative might be to now and then comment that at least genetic testing and modern life mean men are being tracked down and forced to support unintended babies. And the impetus to force them to would INCREASE dramatically if women were denied choice. Someone would have to support the close to a million being aborted every year.

If barred from abortion, at least far fewer women -- and their parents and other relatives -- would be bearing the entire burden of raising these children alone. Some fathers would want custodial involvement since they're paying, others needing financial assistance. In any case, this would affect the families on both sides.

[paleotn]

9. Exactly!

[Metaphorical]

10. I think the blowback is coming

I'm watching what's happening in Florida with Disney. Disney OWNS Central Florida, and what they don't own, most of the other major studios do. Iger's retired from the board, but from multiple comments he's made lately, I think he's pushing the current CEO to take the fight directly to DeSantis.

That's what the christofascists don't want to understand: they are playing to their base of aging MAGAts, but too many corporations are getting fed up with having to deal with the headaches that these guys are causing, and it's going to start translating into campaigns to get these extremists out of office.

[Irish_Dem]

19. The people can't or won't fight the GOP christofascists. Maybe the corporate oligarchs can try.

That is shift their funding away from the guys giving them headaches.

[wnylib]

30. From the nature of some of the

most outrageous abortion bills, I suspect that a lot of funding is coming from the Catholic Church. Evangelicals are aligned with them ideologically, but not always to the point of absolutely no abortions no matter what. That absolutist position sounds like Catholicism has a hand in the funding and origin of these bills.

[Irish_Dem]

40. In part yes. There are probably a number of sources. While the GOP leadership could care less about

abortion, it is it is hot button red meat for the base. GOP does fund raising and get votes on the abortion issue.

We know that Putin deliberately stirs up social division and chaos, so probably some Russian money too.

It would actually be quite interesting to see exactly who is funding which GOP issues.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

47. Not just Catholics.

It's my observation that Evangelical/Fundamentalists are very bat-shit crazy opposed to abortion.

I understand that the most anti-abortion groups tend to have the highest rates of abortion. Isn't that interesting?

[TexasBushwhacker]

91. It's been my experience that Evangelicals are more likely

to try to force their beliefs on everyone else. My Catholic friends are against abortion for themselves, but don't expect or want it to be illegal for everyone else.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

95. You are spot on.

My very best friend in the whole world, who here I will call Michael (not his actual name) is a practicing Catholic. I was raised Catholic, and started questioning Catholicism and its many beliefs and practices from a very early age.

My friend Michael in general terms opposes abortion, but over the years has come to understand that one rule isn't good enough. He recognizes that his opposition isn't a universal, and understands that abortion is sometimes the best thing.

He and I often have conversations about such things as abortion. We are not totally on the same page, but in the end he gets that individual choice really matters.

Alas, too many who totally oppose abortion don't get the individual choice thing.

[Irish_Dem]

38. The people can't or won't fight the GOP christofascists. Maybe the corporate oligarchs can try.

That is shift their funding away from the guys giving them headaches.

[True Blue American]

71. 100%

[Thunderbeast]

12. Their numbers are waning? Last ditch effort?

It appears to me that the power of the Christofascists is on the rise. They may be on the verge of assuming autocratic power in our country. They dominate the Supreme Court. They have leverage in national elections by virtue of the Electoral College, gerrymandering, a dedicated propaganda network, legalized bribery, and voter suppression.

Far from waning power, the axis of radical Christians, racists, and the ultra-wealthy is crushing civil liberties, impoverishing workers, and concentrating wealth like never before in history.

Women are mearly pawns and collateral damage in this war.

[mrsadm]

51. Agree with your points

They are insidiously,slowly, bit by bit taking away women’s rights, civil rights , voting rights — and a great many people don’t see it happening.

[lambchopp59]

54. a dedicated propaganda network

a dedicated propaganda network...
There it is.
I keep meeting youth lately here at work who are full on MAGAt's, and figuring I can possibly reason with them, relatively open to discussion. I can make some strides but I'm up against the mindlock of
FOX NEWS TALKING POINTS.
There's one for every possible sensible viewpoint, to stop all discussion because of "Cancel Culture" or "Socialism" fears or "Free Dumbs".
Not that their viewpoint makes any damn sense at all: they just reiterate what's been brainwashed into them.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. It's rooted in subliminal hate and degradation of women

to increase their own sense of power and control. They love exploitation, domination, defilement, and abuse of women, though none of them would admit it and probably aren't aware of it. I'd bet more than a few have mistresses or girlfriends on the side, and I'd bet their porn list would curl many a toenail.

[BlueIdaho]

14. Here's my question

Don’t these monsters have mothers, wives, and daughters? Why don’t the women in their lives put a stop this hatred where it counts - right in their own homes? If they can’t - they should leave them for good.

Easy no, necessary yes.

[Dan]

17. My thought too

[Diamond_Dog]

20. That asshole that just said

“if rape is inevitable, a woman should just lie back and enjoy it” has two daughters!

Total insanity!

[BlueIdaho]

21. Why would you even talk to your dad

If he said shit like that?

[Rebl2]

25. Hope his

daughters hate him for saying that to them

[Mr.Bill]

28. One of them came forward and said

people should not vote for him.

[BlueIdaho]

81. Wise Woman. nt.

[CrispyQ]

87. Even worse, he claims he told his daughters that.

He said those words to their faces, not just on a podcast. One of them tweeted "please don't vote for my dad" so even his own kids thinks he's vile.

[kacekwl]

23. Because those laws don't apply to their family.

Like abortion if needed they will pay someone to do it and keep quiet about it. Their women folk don't know or care about others.

[Silver Gaia]

29. Yes. They are "Serena Joys." n/t

[treestar]

65. Females are the one group that can be turned against themselves

after centuries of conditioning to judge other women. Those women agree with them. Other women should have to follow as they do - right wingers are judgmental, and that includes the women.

[BlueIdaho]

82. I don't doubt that

But you should read the Greek comedy lysistrata. Women have all the power.

[Lars39]

74. It gives them power and praise in their stunted patriarchal world.

[spanone]

15. ...K&R...

[First Speaker]

16. It is, quite literally, state-sponsored terrorism against women...

[Diamond_Dog]

18. Right on, sister

And good men need to join us in our fight.

[Mr. Evil]

24. Salem witch trials.

Some of the shit I've read about that horrific era was that if a man wanted to get rid of his wife all he had to do was declare that she was a witch. If anyone (that he could convince) agreed with him, she was gone. What a totally fucked up perspective of life.

Btw, religious laws are unconstitutional in this country. Any lawyers out there that want to push back?

[Nay]

79. Up until the 1950's or so, a man could commit his wife to an insane asylum, just

on his own word. And she couldn't get out no matter how sane she was. Convenient, eh?

[duhneece]

26. Good observation

And very astutely put

[multigraincracker]

27. I think more than half of the voters are women.

A bridge they might think about about burning.

[Silver Gaia]

32. I hear that!

[TeamProg]

33. 'Old whitey' is losing power and they can't bear to face it..

Next thing you know, they'll ban certain books, prop up racist media and try to keep African Americans FROM VOTING !!

[electric_blue68]

35. Hmmm... you may be on to something.

[Cozmo]

36. This is how an inferiority complex manifest itself

[Initech]

37. It's truly fucking insane.

[onecaliberal]

39. K&R

[NBachers]

41. Disturbing news of Femicide in Mexico and Canada makes me apprehensive of it happening here.

[luvtheGWN]

49. Care to provide some proof?

???

[niyad]

57. look up MMIW. Missing and murdered indigenous women in Canada. look up the

murders, labelled as femicide by the police, in Mexico. And pay attention to the kind of talk coming out of the reichwingnutjobs. ⁰

[MLAA]

42. Agree and throw in the women who stay with the misogynistic assholes.

[pwb]

43. Too many young married woman with families are O K with it all happening until

they get divorced and need the help?

[Gaugamela]

44. Excellent protest poster (photo):

[niyad]

58. I LOVE THAT. It is so true.

[orleans]

62. i did a google image search of this photo--

click on the tweet and the full picture w/ photographer's name is visible

Link to tweet

[Gaugamela]

77. Thanks for the info. I assumed it was from the women's march in D.C. But it's all the

same patriarchy.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. BRAVA!!!!

[2naSalit]

46. K&R!!

[smirkymonkey]

48. You know what?

We aren't as helpless this time and maybe we should start literally fighting back. Stealthily. We don't have to be passive victims this time.

[Hortensis]

73. We're the winners, THEY're the losers fighting back.

I like that you mention "fighting," which I guess is why I stopped here, but "stealthily"? That's silly. We're the majority and hold the citadel they attack. If they repeal abortion, we'll reinstate.

[Joinfortmill]

50. Amen. So sick of this shit.

[seta1950]

52. Very true

Even the world would be a better place if it were matriarchal

[SheltieLover]

53. Kicking for visibility

[slightlv]

55. Niyad

So mote it be, Sister... so mote it be!

I'm watching closely to see when I kill my website.

[Atticus]

56. It amazes me that some of these twisted haters now get away with saying things on the floor

of a legislature or on national TV that they would have been justifiably AFRAID to say out loud anywhere in public not that long ago.

Intolerance must not be tolerated.

[DFW]

59. These people are definitely the heirs of those who burned women centuries ago

My suggestion is to reward their cruelty in kind, explaining to them in their final moments before the fires are lit at their feet, that society is only giving them a quick preview, and a chance to get used to what their God has in mind for them in eternity.

[niyad]

60. I do like the way you think.

[DFW]

61. Extreme as my suggestion may seem

Don’t think for a second that their extremists would hesitate to do it to women if they thought they could get away with it unpunished.

[niyad]

66. I have been watching some of the more extreme christofascist (although we did not

call them that 30 years ago) groups for many years, talking about executing women who commit adultery (but not the men), women who have abortions, rebellious children, repealing the 19th Amendment. . .all out in the open now.

So no, I do not think your suggestion extreme.

[DFW]

68. Thirty years ago, they were considered nut case extremists

These days, they are mainstream Republicans. Not something to be proud of, although plenty of them are.

[BlueMTexpat]

63. Love your rant!

But I am not so sure that their numbers are waning or that their power is decreasing.

I do wish that were so. But they have loud voices and no scruples.

[Cheezoholic]

64. Enough is enough

[LittleGirl]

67. I can't believe we still have to protest

This shit!

[love_katz]

69. May women go into action like Mount Vesuvius.

May we bury the christofacists like Pompeii.

[Goddessartist]

72. "May they receive everything they deserve."

So mote it be!!

[Hortensis]

75. Fwiw, let's remember equality has been winning for centuries

now and will continue. That doesn't mean there haven't always been setbacks, and right now the LOSERS are emboldened and empowered by the negligence of those who believe in equality.

But we are the giant force they've always raged against but can't stop. The Enlightenment, Ages of Reason and Science, Industrial Revolution, all the revolutions since, including Medical, are all on the side of equality.

Thanks to the majorities' stupidity in allowing them to get power, they're having a serious moment -- extremism has taken control of the right -- but they always lose in the end. Remember reaction? And that half the right are women and others men who care about women, and about having their own right to choice? Their extremism is not just taking them farther than most conservatives ever expected themselves to go, the ones who really would burn women are going way too far.

It wouldn't hurt if more people here realized that. I see very little insight on this thread and a great deal of silly, fearful hand-wringing and demonization of ordinary people at a level worthy of anything the right can produce.

Shorts hiked up. Everyone checked their registration lately and know when their next election day's coming up?

[dlk]

78. We can never forget where these vicious sadists came from

They are the descendants of the pious, yet brutal slaveholders who routinely tortured other humans in service to their prosperity, and, like it or not, they have been woven into the fabric of our nation from the beginning. We should not be surprised. Every decent American with a conscience must remain vigilant in combating their continued efforts to undermine the forward movement of equality and justice. We outnumber them and we must always work to overpower them, and keep them at bay, evil never takes a holiday.

[BeckyDem]

80. You're right, the bills are explicit.

They want control in a big deadly way.

[wryter2000]

83. I can't believe women will stand for this

Any woman knows banning an ectopic pregnancy isn't "saving a baby." It's just enforcing celibacy, not that that ever works. But I hope those legislators' wives practice it until their husbands cut the shit.

BTW, just as a tiny aside, women weren't burned in this country. They were hanged and sometimes tortured first.

[Buckeyeblue]

84. I think these people are setting Republicans up for a big fall

I millennials and Gen z are not going to tolerate this, I don't think. I also think they will end up with a younger version of Bernie as their political leader. I'm not sure who that is. But I think there will be a dynamic shift in the country.

The white supremacist feel emboldened right now. But the more the show themselves, the more they turn off the middle of the road voters.

My 18 year old doesn't particularly like the Democratic Party. Her views are far left of mine (I'm a Clinton Democrat). But she thinks the deck was stacked against Bernie getting the nomination.

[Farmer-Rick]

85. All the anti-abortion supporter's arguments are based in religion

There is absolutely no scientific evidence or that abortions hurt anyone. Mother nature is constantly creating situations where abortions ocurr on their own. There is no evidence that fetuses or zygotes feel anything like a human. In fact they look very much like fishes. And they probably feel like fishes.

There is no guarantee this zygote or fetus will develop fully into a viable baby. There are numerous interventions to keep the fetus alive if something goes wrong. But these idiots don't object to that sort of medical interference with the development of the fetus. Just don't end the pregnancy to make a woman's life better, richer, healthier. Only men can escape the pain and suffering of child birth once that zygote grows a tail.

There are no scientific or medical reasons to prevent abortions. The only reasons to prevent most abortions are religious.

Of course there are many reasons to want to have babies and children. They are personal and private. Not reasons to dictate through religious laws what every woman should do.

[malthaussen]

86. Why they hate their mothers and daughters so much, I don't know.

Oh, they probably don't. My suspicion is that this misogyny is much like racism: all of "them" are evil and bad, except the ones I happen to know personally who are all right, almost honorary men. See, that proves I'm no bigot, 'cause I think George (or Sally, as may be) is just a regular person.

-- Mal

[llashram]

88. HELL YEAH

everything... trying to live their demented fantasies

[orwell]

89. May the death throes of the Patriarchy...

...stop short of taking us all with them.

[usonian]

90. The law of karma

Speculative: what if whatever we do to others in this life, the tables are turned in the "next".

[jmowreader]

92. The worst one...

The Missouri bill that would execute any woman who receives an abortion, was written by a woman.

She also wrote the one that would criminalize traveling out of state to have one.

Her name is Mary Elizabeth Coleman. She has been married 19 years, has six children, and practices at the Thomas More Society. The term “Serena Joy” applies.

[DownriverDem]

93. If trumper repubs

win in the Midterms, I will be crying for a long time. To think that the voters are such haters of women is beyond everything.

[maliaSmith]

94. How to still obtain a legal abortion in a red state

https://aidaccess.org/en/i-need-an-abortion

This is the link for abortion pills if you can't get to clinic or live in a Red controlled anti women state.
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