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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,656 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 02:06 PM Mar 2022

Not Charging Trump Will 'Destroy' Legitimacy of US Institutions: Kirschner

Former U.S. Army prosecutor Glenn Kirschner believes that failing to hold former President Donald Trump "accountable for his crimes" will "destroy" the legitimacy of U.S. institutions.

Trump is facing multiple high-profile investigations, and some legal experts have urged the Justice Department to indict the former president or appoint a special counsel to investigate him. Kirschner has previously contended that Trump will face accountability for his actions related to January 6, 2021—when hundreds of his supporters violently attacked the U.S. Capitol.

In addition to the Capitol assault—which came after Trump urged his supporters to march to the federal legislative building and "fight like hell"—the former president and his allies are being investigated for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. Trump pressured then Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Electoral College votes of several key swing states so they could be replaced by alternate slates of electors that supported him, despite the will of voters.

"DECLINING to hold Trump accountable for his crimes in light the overwhelming evidence would be a political calculation. It would also would make a mockery of honest, law-abiding politicians & destroy the legitimacy of the institutions of American government. This is an easy call," Kirschner, who now works as a legal analyst for MSNBC and NBC News, wrote in a Saturday tweet.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/not-charging-trump-will-destroy-legitimacy-of-us-institutions-kirschner/ar-AAV0IG0
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Not Charging Trump Will 'Destroy' Legitimacy of US Institutions: Kirschner (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
Absolutely correct ck4829 Mar 2022 #1
Failing to peocecute someone like Trump allows him to declare he is "vindicated" hadEnuf Mar 2022 #2
Absolutely! Rebl2 Mar 2022 #19
It will be the crime of the century if Trump is allowed to get away with January 6th. Initech Mar 2022 #3
It's time for the bullshit 'It's politics' excuses to stop. Charge the assclown. Tommymac Mar 2022 #4
How much evidence does it take? It has been way too long. BSdetect Mar 2022 #5
6-7 weeks is too long? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #6
Agreed. Absurd foot-dragging by DOJ. Nululu Mar 2022 #7
People seeing him not facing any ramifications for trying to overthrow an American Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #29
"LOCK HIM UP" already KS Toronado Mar 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author YoshidaYui Mar 2022 #9
I hate to say it but the legitimacy is already gone. tetedur Mar 2022 #10
Bush I and Raygun Iran Contraand the list goes on burrowowl Mar 2022 #11
Agreed. NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #13
Letting all the repubs off the hook makes our laws a joke NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #12
Yep Rebl2 Mar 2022 #20
Our constitution works ..until a person or group decide differently NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #21
When Bush & Cheney got away with war crimes I said... CaptainTruth Mar 2022 #14
Agreed NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #22
We've charged him twice. We can keep charging him. Charges are made all the damn time. ancianita Mar 2022 #15
Thanks for this link! ShazzieB Mar 2022 #31
In my mind its already been destroyed after decades of republican fascists getting away with shit yaesu Mar 2022 #16
THIS NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #23
K&R! dchill Mar 2022 #17
And it would inform the ignorant about actual laws and crimes. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Mar 2022 #28
I've a hard time imagining Manchin and Sinema, the devils' advocates, voting for this bill. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #30
Might as well Rebl2 Mar 2022 #24
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #25
just need a great Russian round-up here !! Russia does it , why can't we do it ? monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #26
K&R UTUSN Mar 2022 #27

hadEnuf

(3,612 posts)
2. Failing to peocecute someone like Trump allows him to declare he is "vindicated"
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 02:27 PM
Mar 2022

and the coup of the United States continues, fully energized.

This is a no-brainer. He needs to be stopped.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,200 posts)
6. 6-7 weeks is too long?
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 03:27 PM
Mar 2022

Because that’s when the SCOTUS ruled against Trump’s privilege claims, which resulted in the release of thousands of documents, including the memos regarding seizing the voting machines. It’s also just been a few weeks since Pence’s staff, some of whom were in the room when the coup was plotted, testified to the committee.

So it hasn’t really been that long since most of the significant physical evidence and testimony has emerged.

Scrivener7

(59,501 posts)
29. People seeing him not facing any ramifications for trying to overthrow an American
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 06:56 PM
Mar 2022

election, fourteen months after the fact, is seriously undermining that legitimacy already.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

tetedur

(1,416 posts)
10. I hate to say it but the legitimacy is already gone.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:03 PM
Mar 2022

No Republican president has ever been held to account for their crimes or deceits and none ever will.
Nixon was never charged for his crimes but is the only president that had to leave office. Reagan/Bush who had their Iran/Contra affair pardoned everyone and were never held to account for what they did.

W. Bush brought this country to war in Iraq with lies and tortured people and was never held to account.

Every lie and every time they were allowed to get away with what they did, it tarnished the integrity of our justice system.

And the results of this? Today when the president tells the world the truth that Putin is maneuvering his army for attack against Ukraine, a big portion of the world doesn't believe us. Why should they?

It turns the stomach.

burrowowl

(18,494 posts)
11. Bush I and Raygun Iran Contraand the list goes on
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:11 PM
Mar 2022

I agree with you the legitimacy is long gone.

CaptainTruth

(8,198 posts)
14. When Bush & Cheney got away with war crimes I said...
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:15 PM
Mar 2022

...there would be no justice in America until they were charged & prosecuted. I said it set a dangerous precedent.

I don't want to see that precedent become the routine.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
15. We've charged him twice. We can keep charging him. Charges are made all the damn time.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:17 PM
Mar 2022

It's the ENFORCEMENT of charges through weak, politically biased courts that allow money to stall justice, and that allow justices to hold their nominators in power.

What he really means is handcuffed under criminal charges and held until trial.

Here's the timeline of upcoming court cases in which Trump has been charged.

https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/


Read Elie Mystal's Allow Me to Retort to get a flavor of how unserious enforcement of the law is unless another branch calls the charges a matter of national security.

ShazzieB

(22,578 posts)
31. Thanks for this link!
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 08:11 PM
Mar 2022

Very detailed, so much so that I had to stop reading after a little while, to rest my brain.

This site looks like a great reference for keeping track of this stuff. Of which there is a lot more than I reaIized--the sheer volume is kind of mind boggling!

yaesu

(9,318 posts)
16. In my mind its already been destroyed after decades of republican fascists getting away with shit
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:29 PM
Mar 2022

Will will see if they can convince me otherwise but not holding my breath.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
18. And it would inform the ignorant about actual laws and crimes.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:37 PM
Mar 2022

Instead of allowing the media to get away with focusing on "law and order" or "DON'T DEFUND THE POLICE", focus on white collar crime. At this time the IRS is only going after the poor because it's easy pickins'. I recall Bush elimating IRS employees as a way to skirt paying taxes for the wealthy. It's got even worse.

Run on this!

The agency’s workforce has been sharply reduced, and audit rates, especially for large corporations and high-income taxpayers, have plummeted. As a result, the tax gap — the difference between taxes owed and taxes paid — is large and growing.

The tax gap — the difference between taxes owed and taxes paid — is large and growing.


https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-need-to-rebuild-the-depleted-irs

Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #18)

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
30. I've a hard time imagining Manchin and Sinema, the devils' advocates, voting for this bill.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 07:54 PM
Mar 2022

It's going to take a miracle to do what would truly help us all.

You're welcome for the link.

Rebl2

(17,729 posts)
24. Might as well
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 04:51 PM
Mar 2022

face it Mr. Kirschner that’s the plan. I don’t like it either, but the Russian mob bosses are trying to take our democracy away from us.

SheltieLover

(80,423 posts)
25. Absolutely!
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 05:05 PM
Mar 2022

Coddling tfg & ALL coconspirators serves only to embolden them!

Same with putrid pootin. Companies have been kissing his ass for decades.

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