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Seth Abramson: Got it, OK. (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2022 OP
Putin does not have to work with allies. He is a dictator Walleye Mar 2022 #1
I only hope things are happening that we don't know about. madaboutharry Mar 2022 #2
Who is we? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #4
Mankind. madaboutharry Mar 2022 #5
Time favors the Alliance. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #6
He is wiping out a people. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #8
Putin's War sucks. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #9
Seth doesn't get it, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #3
Agreed - Biden is smart enough and is an egotistical anti-Trump who will marshall World opinion and. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #7
Biden has done very well in the big picture. empedocles Mar 2022 #11
Fast forward 40 years. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #12
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #16
*WARNING* The MAGA talking point now is "Biden isn't doing enough" and it pushes on sane M$M uponit7771 Mar 2022 #10
I'm not a MAGAt, neither is Abramson, and neither is Zelensky. Those jets would have helped. highplainsdem Mar 2022 #13
I think giving them the missile technology and intel will neutralize the Russian ground attack. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #14
How are mig 29 jets gonna help with stopping RA ***MOBILE*** artillery?! thx in advance uponit7771 Mar 2022 #15
Also, of course you and the person from the OP aren't MAGAts the point is the M$M has gotten ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #17
Poland screwed up the Mig deal Crataegus Mar 2022 #18
About the same as republicans doing whatever they want and get away with it blueinredohio Mar 2022 #19

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
2. I only hope things are happening that we don't know about.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 08:49 PM
Mar 2022

This war is another outrageous example of how we fail our fellow human beings.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,583 posts)
6. Time favors the Alliance.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 08:57 PM
Mar 2022

I have no doubt that every significant country - not aligned with Russia or China - are working on a unified global strategy to neutralize Putin's conventional belligerence. He can continue to degrade his army and world opinion in Ukraine, but the Russian army is now exposed as the Potemkin Powerhouse that they are.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,583 posts)
9. Putin's War sucks.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:08 PM
Mar 2022

I hope he pays with his life. Nonetheless, the world is going to stand up to this Crime Boss, And the sooner, the better.

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
3. Seth doesn't get it,
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 08:53 PM
Mar 2022

the narrative that president Biden should be doing more is a right wing talking point.

Air defense systems/missiles, drones, Javelins, and Stingers are needed more than planes.

The US isn't acting alone, it acts in unison with NATO.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,583 posts)
7. Agreed - Biden is smart enough and is an egotistical anti-Trump who will marshall World opinion and.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:01 PM
Mar 2022

resolve against Putin.

He will be happy to lead a United Nations effort to fight Putin's Russia. Actually, it is the world against Putin now. And Putin loses every time. He done fucked up, totally.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
11. Biden has done very well in the big picture.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:20 PM
Mar 2022
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/leon-panetta-biden-has-done-a-very-good-job-solidifying-unified-nato-strategy-131943493906

[There will always be Monday morning qb's, and political extremists sniping away - even the greats, FDR & LBJ, whose great accomplishments have been validated by history; had their persistent, wrongful, snipers].

OAITW r.2.0

(24,583 posts)
12. Fast forward 40 years.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:29 PM
Mar 2022

Biden's Presidency might be known as a world game changer.

Funny how history and human nature gives us Biden's and Zelensky's to counter Putin's and Trump's.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
10. *WARNING* The MAGA talking point now is "Biden isn't doing enough" and it pushes on sane M$M
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:17 PM
Mar 2022

... channels.

Please push back

Ukraine needs anti artillery, drones and long range missiles WAY MORE than they need old not working jets

highplainsdem

(49,034 posts)
13. I'm not a MAGAt, neither is Abramson, and neither is Zelensky. Those jets would have helped.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:29 PM
Mar 2022

Right now Ukraine needs all the assistance we can give them.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,583 posts)
14. I think giving them the missile technology and intel will neutralize the Russian ground attack.
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:36 PM
Mar 2022

If Russia choose to use aircraft, have the very best ground to air missile technology in their hands.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
17. Also, of course you and the person from the OP aren't MAGAts the point is the M$M has gotten ...
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 09:47 PM
Mar 2022

... the story wrong because they're still in WWII type thinking.

Stingers made a difference in 1980 40 years later those things shoot from 1 miles away. Russia has those weapons too making close air support there near impossible.

They need anti artillery weapons to stop the shelling then the larger cities can sit it out with a protection dome like Israel has.

Crataegus

(60 posts)
18. Poland screwed up the Mig deal
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 10:16 PM
Mar 2022

There was no reason to create such an elaborate 'Public' deal for those Migs.
The Ukrainan pilots could have gone to Poland and flown them out.
The Polish gov was setting up a deal that would have given Putin a reason to charge multiple NATO countrys with direct action against Russia. These kinds of deals are not done publicly.
Biden was right to refuse this. Putin is destroying himself, and he will ruin Russia on the way out.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
19. About the same as republicans doing whatever they want and get away with it
Sun Mar 13, 2022, 11:34 PM
Mar 2022

but democrats get crushed for it.

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