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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis has to be the saddest anti-vaxxer story, yet.
A young couple made an announcement that they are expecting a baby. From something he wrote, it sounded like shes had several miscarriages but they are SO HOPEFUL this time. Both refused to get the Covid vaccine. Not sure of the wifes politics, but theres no doubt the husband hates President Biden.
He was the first to catch it and then he spread it to his 4 month pregnant wife. She ended up hospitalized with Covid pneumonia and then had to have an emergency C-section, giving birth 24 weeks early to a 1 lb. 10 oz boy who developed a staph infection (or, as the father wrote, a staff infection). Needless to say, the baby didnt make it.
Now the mother is supposedly awaiting a double lung transplant. Of course, that can only mean shes finally gotten vaccinated, since that is a non-negotiable requirement for organ transplants. And, of course, the family doesnt have the financial means to handle any of this. Her FB page has been scrubbed so I have no idea if she has a job, but the dad is an assistant manager at Walmart. Not sure what kind of salary and health insurance they offer but I bet its not nearly robust enough. So, of course, they have Go Fund Me accounts set up to help him pay for a rental, while she's hospitalized. There also seems to be some other sort of fund raising going on to raise money for bills. And since he's not working, right now, there's zero income coming in.
All because they refused a free vaccine.
https://www.facebook.com/herman.cain.awards.stop.covid
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)These are the people who could most be helped by Democratic policies. Now, they're learning a sad, expensive, miserable set of lessons. Or, maybe not.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)Some continue with the anti vax stuff, some with the anti-Biden nonsense. They are beyond redemption.
The family of this woman refuse to acknowledge any of her responsibilities for what is happening. The just want to concentrate on the 'future', if she has one.
SunSeeker
(58,279 posts)usaf-vet
(7,811 posts)DenaliDemocrat
(1,777 posts)I have no empathy or sympathy. I suffer from debilitating genetic chronic disease. This was 100% avoidable and they chose their own path.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)My heart just breaks for that poor infant, and the staff who had to experience this event.
She claims she didn't get vaccinated because she was pregnant. I call BS because the vaccines were available LONG before she conceived. No doubt she bought into that 'the vaccine causes infertility' nonsense.
was pregnant last summer and was actually getting two different messages from the doctors she was seeing about getting vaccinated-still dont understand that. She got Covid, but ended up okay and had a healthy baby.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)It's like it has a special quality that allows it to exploit vulnerabilities that one just doesn't know they have. It can take out a healthy 30 year old, and spare someone in their 70's or 80's.
GB_RN
(3,558 posts)Like everyone of us, our immune systems are somewhat unique and each of us responds differently to an infection and the virus is capable of taking advantage of that.
Just to clarify: The immune system itself is the same in structure across the human species. Its the response that can be different. Thats why one person can be allergic to something and the next person isnt: Allergies are an immune response to something - an inappropriate response, though.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)My brother had it VERY early in the pandemic and before we really knew what was happening. He was at my house twice. He got really sick. I had a cold, at the time. I read later that there is some thinking that might have provided a bit of protection. Might explain why I escaped? Who knows.
I've also never had any symptoms of flu, despite never getting vaccinated (until last year) and sailed through a case of Shingles with minimal discomfort.
IbogaProject
(5,911 posts)You can't really rule out wether you had it then, even if you caught any variant later with more symptoms.
I had it the second week of March 2020, it was like a mild cold. My 89 year old mom and 60 year old institutionalized sister had mild cases that spring. It was pure luck to have a favorable blood type & restrained but efficient immune response.
I survived double pneumonia on a ventilator for 16 days 20 years ago in Europe. So the pandemic was a PTSD hortor for me personally. I got my shots and my booster, ever so slightly after the rush. I didn't feel the need to crowd any others, and I didn't want to miss my chance to protect others by being less virulent and have continued to mask.
I hate to say it but I hope those nitwits never succeed at breading.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)Mid March, 2020, is about when my brother got so sick.
For an old dame, I still have a pretty robust immune system, but I am also super cautious. Thanks to mask wearing, I haven't even had a cold, in over 2 years. Sweet.
IbogaProject
(5,911 posts)The social distancing, shutdowns, remote work, remote education and masking reduced the ability for the flu to spread much. Covid is much more virulent, especially the recent variants.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)So we will likely see the same, in a week or two.
Rocknation
(45,006 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)
The big spike we had during the year-end holidays was caused by -- well, the year-end holidays!
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calimary
(90,017 posts)I dont have much sympathy or empathy either. Trying to find some, but its mighty hard in cases like this.
RAB910
(4,030 posts)as such, I struggle to have all that much sympathy for them. There are people (like the ones in Ukraine) that are far more worthy of my sympathies
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)It's the part about the infant that gets to me. A truly innocent victim of his parents idiocy.
Crunchy Frog
(28,280 posts)If so, maybe they'll prosecute her for the preventable death of her baby.
Delphinus
(12,522 posts)that's a thought - but if they're in a pro-life state, they may not believe the vaccine works anyway.
Jetheels
(991 posts)not the already born.
gopiscrap
(24,733 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,691 posts)as soon as the baby was pulled from from the mother.
Aristus
(72,179 posts)The baby deserved better.
underpants
(196,490 posts)Isnt that the saying?
Its just amazing that people can be coerced into ignoring the most basic advise. Think about people roughly our age, guys too, who also no longer watch football and root against our Olympic athletes. I know we grew up with our own propaganda during the Cold War but like Santa its in there and some part of you should still harbor it.
Just amazing.
BTW - I did not know the source/meaning of Poguey bait. From the MRE thread.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)To think she struggled to successfully conceive and carry this child, only to so irresponsibly sabotage the whole process.
I'm going to follow her fund raising page, just see if they are being realistic about her being able to receive this procedure, so fast. They make it sound like she's going to have the surgery, any time now.
I suspect she's just been put on the transplant list, perhaps pending her getting vaccinated. (I thought I read there is a waiting period for vaccination, once you've had Covid. I could be wrong.)
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Siwsan
(27,834 posts)I'm not a fan of people cruelly trolling the families of anti-vaxxers who suffer the consequences.
Others have pleaded with the family to use this opportunity to encourage people to GET vaccinated. They refuse, stating they are focused on the future, not the past. So, this might not be the end of their Covid journey.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)gopiscrap
(24,733 posts)DFW
(60,182 posts)No doubt tens of thousands more. Do these people expect that people who got vaccinated will send them money? Do they expect people who disagree with their hate for Joe Biden to send them money? Do they expect that people like Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs, the Mercers, Joel Osteen or the Trumps will send them money?
At some point they will come to the sad conclusion that neither the people they hate nor the people they admire will send them anything.
Then they will say that it is Gods will, and express their hate for Joe Biden and us libbruls with their dying breath. What DO they expect, I wonder? I suspect that people like this will come with a thousand different answers, not ONE of which will be, I was wrong, I was stupid and I was cruel, can you forgive me after all the evil I have wrought?
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)I suspect they will live their lives in complete denial of their irresponsible choices
They would jump off a 300 foot cliff and then blame "libbruls" for gravity.
xocetaceans
(4,442 posts)(sarcasm)
Hotler
(13,747 posts)for some Miracle Spring Water to fix all their troubles.
Edit to add; The saddest part is the baby.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)All because of some repackaged Poland Springs water!!
Ray Bruns
(6,356 posts)Kitchen sink.
phylny
(8,818 posts)I just put my granddaughter in for a nap. She was born last July, healthy and strong after her mother did what her doctors told her and was vaccinated. Her mother, my daughter, even got the booster and hoped that some of the antibodies would be beneficial to our granddaughter who is breast-feeding.
What a waste.
Johnny2X2X
(24,205 posts)With the vaccines rendering the Omicron variant basically the flu to almost all of those who have taken it, the people suffering tragedies like this are mostly like this couple. If you are fully vaccinated and boosted, this isn't going to happen to you, period.
But this is a cult. Even after this, these cult members won't change their beliefs. Accepting responsibility is not within their capabilities.
Farmer-Rick
(12,663 posts)Last I looked, 1400 Americans die every day from Covid. Just found out the most honest mechanic in the world died from COVID. Yeah, he was an anti-vaxxer. A real loss to the community.
Anyway, as far as I can tell, if the death rate falls to 250 a day, we are in flu territory.
Johnny2X2X
(24,205 posts)Those 1400 Americans dying are about 1300 unvaccinated vs 75 partially or fully vaccinated vs 25 fully vaccinated and boosted. So if everyone was vaccinated we'd be at 100 or so deaths a day, if everyone was vaccinated and boosted we'd be at 25 deaths a day, less than a normal flu season.
Basically, if you're fully vaccinated and/or boosted, Covid is the flu, the flu can still kill some people, but mostly we just get over it after a few days of being miserable.
And also, according to the CDC you're 14 times less likely to even get Covid is you're fully vaccinated and boosted. So the number of cases would be 14th what it is now if everyone in the country had done what they needed to do to protect their communities.
Bottom line is that stories like this one are only happening to antivaxxers right now. For the rest of us, Covid is now the flu. Unfortunately there are poor traumatized hospital workers who still have to deal with the tragedies of the stupid like this daily.
And what's worse about these people, is that responsible and caring citizens/DUers like you and I are doing everything we can to protect these people. I wear a mask out not for my own protection, although it does help me some, but to protect the antivaxxers that I could transmit Covid to if I got it and didn't know it. In general I do what I can to limit the spread to help people I don't even know, and the people who need that help most are antivaxxers. They scoff at mask wearers when mask wearers are helping prevent them from becoming a story like this one.
Farmer-Rick
(12,663 posts)Thanks for the info.
Johnny2X2X
(24,205 posts)So call it 1,000 a day and about 920 are antivaxxers, 60 are partially or 2 shot vaxxers, and 20 are fully vaxxed and boosted. General numbers, but you get the point. This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated right now. If everyone had done what was needed to do in the US, Covid wouldn't even be a concern anymore, at least until some new variant maybe changed the game again.
And the media has gone gentle on this group, if they were covered fairly, the amount of resentment towards them would be overwhelming. Because of this group of selfish imbeciles, the rest of us continued to sacrifice. We were required to wear masks to protect the imbeciles long after universal vaccinations could have limited mask wearing substantially. Schools still get shut down for weeks at a time right now to protect the imbeciles from a deadly and preventable disease.
And after all the thinking portion of society has sacrificed to protect them, what do they do? They send truckers to the border to shut it down costing businesses and causing people to be sent home from their jobs. Never has their been a group of Americans as selfish and self centered as today's anti vaxxers. They refused to do their part, so everyone else was forced to do much more to try to protect them. It's maddening.
Farmer-Rick
(12,663 posts)I was just looking at the total.
I think you have totally changed my perspective on it.
This is what's so great about dealing with thinking, smart people. They open up your mind to different perspectives.
Johnny2X2X
(24,205 posts)Cudos to you Farmer-Rick!
And I am not attempting to down play Covid in anyway, I'm just taking the CDC numbers about deaths from Covid for unvaccinated vs partially, fully, and boosted vaccinated people. It truly is a pandemic of the unvaccinated right now.
If we were 95% fully vaccinated and boosted, I don't even think it would be spreading anywhere in the US right now. And the hospitals would only have the odd Covid patient here and there.
Here's the thing that really sucks though, is that when/if it does mutate and rips back through the country again, the same thing will happen again, the vaccinated will be protecting themselves and then sacrificing to protect the morons from themselves too.
Anecdotally, I know an anti vaxxer who was one of those "natural immunity is superior" guys, he learned the hard way this December and got extremely sick from Omicron because he was not vaccinated, hopefully he's realized that he'll need a booster no matter what if a new variant threatens the country again.
OMGWTF
(5,131 posts)I think about that too when I'm at a store, I don't want to be mistaken for an anti American Democracy Republican.
You know, we tell ourselves we are taking these measures to protect those with weakened immune systems, the elderly, and small children, but the fact is we're still being cautious mostly to protect idiot anti vaxxers from their own selves. These idiots are the sole reason Covid is still circulating in a meaningful way in most places in the US right now. These clowns are the reason why the immune compromised are still at great risk from Covid. These self centered immature dimwits are the reason life is still not back to totally normal. There are immune weakened people right now who literally live as shut ins right now because of this group. So fucking sick of them, grow the hell up and think about someone other than yourselves for once.
mackdaddy
(1,976 posts)...Does not keep the virus away?
asking for a friend..
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,681 posts)I love the smell of unburned hydrocarbons in the morning. It smells like "owned libs".
Vaccine? No, not me, I have not yet gotten my second booster.
FakeNoose
(41,629 posts)I haven't gone back to Facebook since shortly after Jan. 6th, 2021 and I don't believe I'll ever go back there. If I do, it will only be to delete everything, as a last resort.
Thanks for posting the story. It makes me wonder, "How can Americans be THIS stupid?"
niyad
(132,436 posts)system, along with a well-funded, relentless, widespread propaganda machine.
And whatever is poisoning our soil, air and water.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)Ironically, the couple who run the sorryantivaxxers site BOTH got Covid! Of course, they were fully vaccinated and are recovering, but they are taking a break so the people who run the Herman Cain Awardzz page on FB have started cross posting some of the more 'interesting' sagas. They are actually MUCH easier to read on the sorryantivaxxers site.
Lucky Luciano
(11,863 posts)Roc2020
(1,787 posts)I'm sure there are worse but we don't know. Ignorance kills. Hubris Kills. Hate Kills.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)I feel sadness for the ignorance and anger at the disinformation.
gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)They made a decision based upon what they chose to believe and despite all the information available, all the science and a free vaccine they elected to take the chance that they "knew" better. Well, that worked out really good for them didn't it.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)Apparently she has insurance, but will still be incurring massive medical bills. She's looking at more than a year out of work and her husband is on a leave of absence, so I'm actually wondering how they have insurance, short of paying the premiums out of pocket. I mean, he works for Walmart, which makes me think they won't be carrying his insurance for him, while he's on a LOA.
Her sisters are running some really aggressive fund raising. They are on FB, Tic Tok and Instagram. Not sure what they are selling, except for t-shirts. What ever they do manage to raise will be less than a drop in the ocean of the financial debt this couple is facing.
And they said she will need to fly back to Minnesota (she's at the Mayo Clinic) for follow up visits. I have no idea where they live, but apparently it isn't close to Minnesota.
All for the lack of the vaccine. And that the husband was the first to catch it, and then infect his wife - how can he live with himself, except by living in complete denial of his (ir)responsibility
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)This is hardly a sad story, it's such a common story by now (anti-vaxxers get Covid, their kids get it also, several or all die) that it's hardly newsworthy.
I also think the baby was born at 24 weeks, not 24 weeks early, as a pregnancy is typically 40 weeks, so I doubt he was born at 4 months (16 weeks).
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)One that, apparently, she fought hard to conceive and carry. I have no idea what effect a double lung transplant, and the required anti rejection medication would have on her ever hoping to conceive and carry another child, but maybe this couple is best left childless.
When I saw the picture of, and read the weight of the infant, I knew there was no way he would survive. Especially with a staph infection. Her low oxygen saturation probably doomed him.
As for the accuracy of what he posted - well, that's nothing I can control.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)and yet didn't do the most basic thing, getting a vaccine.
And if she actually gets the double lung transplant, she will live the rest of her life on anti-rejection drugs, which are necessary, but also have their own serious side-effects. I'll guess that the possibility of having a baby at this point is pretty close to zero.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)I have no patience or sympathy for these people. I save that for those they have damaged.
Mariana
(15,624 posts)Factor in the periods of low oxygen, and whatever other complications from Covid, plus the staph infection...
mnhtnbb
(33,345 posts)Normal gestation is 40 weeks. Giving birth 24 weeks early would put the gestation at 16 weeks, which is not viable. The baby would not likely be 1 lb 10 oz at that stage, either. So, maybe confusion? Babies may be viable at 24 weeks, and could be 1 lb 10 oz. in size, so maybe that is when the baby was born.
People make bad decisions all the time. It's very sad, regardless of their politics. My daughter was stillborn at 22 weeks and my heart goes out to them for their loss.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)No doubt he's not in a fit emotional state to be reporting much of anything.
70sEraVet
(5,482 posts)After all, he got them into this mess - he and the Faucci-haters on FOX!
Traildogbob
(13,017 posts)But this is just more blood up to the elbows on Fox. Gods plan, maybe rescued the child from those irresponsible parents. HE obviously denied their other attempts. More of the strange ways God does things.
RedSpartan
(1,766 posts)Hope it was worth it.
Rocknation
(45,006 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:35 AM - Edit history (1)
For a second, I thought this thread was about one of the Duggars
Jill and Derick tell us they are both fully vaccinated, and they believe the mild symptoms they are experiencing could have been much worse without the shots...Jill and Derick have 2 young boys...Jill suffered a miscarriage last year...
"Last year" was less than nine months ago. And according to FamousBirthdays.com, the boys were born in 2015 and 2017 -- both by C-section. So being just another baby-a-year breeder may not be God's will for Jill and Derick. At least she'll have plenty of candidates if an organ transplant is necessary.
Rocknation
Botany
(77,318 posts).... as per the parents if one or both of them die I don't care and we shouldn't be spending money and
medical care on them.
Rocknation
(45,006 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2022, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16486269Rocknation
mercuryblues
(16,409 posts)Because of them and people like them, my transplant unit shut down for over a month, postponing my Bone Marrow Transplant.
While I was waiting, my Cancer came out of full remission. Now I get to die sooner because of them and their willful stupidity.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)And collect todays Darwin Award
JT45242
(4,043 posts)My wife had a miscarriage before our first child was born. We had tried for a long time to get pregnant and she was seeing a fertility specialist. She was devastated. I was devastated. We knew that once you have one miscarriage you are at higher risks for more in every pregnancy.
So, when we were trying to get pregnant again. We would do ABOSLUTELY EVERYTHING TO PREVENT ANOTHER MISCARRIAGE. My wife quit her high stress job and took a pay cut. We ate healthy. Saw the doctor every week -- literally for the first 6 months of the pregnancy. Whatever the doctor said that we needed to do to minimize risk, we did it. Walk more. You got it doc. More vegetables, OK. Get plenty of rest. OK.
We were blessed that the next two pregnancies gave us two wonderful children.
This couple put their politics over the health of their potential child and the mom. He killed his child. He will likely kill his wife with his allegiance to MAGA world -- as finding a perfect match lung and not having complications is a crap shoot at best.
I have less than zero sympathy as someone who went through a miscarriage and lived to come through the other side. I know of far too many couples who end up divorced over the stress of a miscarriage. I know many who did what we did with subsequent pregnancies -- every safety precaution that the doctors recommended.
They f-ed around and found out that stupid decisions based on loyalty to a con man have deadly consequences. The husband is probably too clueless to realize his own culpability. No sympathy.
musclecar6
(1,884 posts)The first vaccines became available, most people I know ( republicans and democrats, independents) immediately got their shots as soon as they were eligible. If that stupid orange asshole had immediately done the smart thing and got fully behind all the safe protocols like mask wearing and admonished everyone who didn't, and didn't turn it into a ridiculous political issue, he would have been re-elected easily.
The good news is, he was too stupid to do the smart thing. The bad news is, many gullible and or not bright fools, followed his lead.
Handler
(339 posts)the parents had the info and knew the risk. My days of caring about these people are long past. 🇺🇦
secondwind
(16,903 posts)hay rick
(9,605 posts)And they don't care. I do feel bad for the suckers that trusted their advice.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)medical treatments and medicines they know even less about. At least the RWNJs who reject medicine for religious beliefs have the courage of their convictions to stay at home and die. What a Fed up world the RW media has created where everyday common folks vote against their own interests in support of big business and billionaires and selectively reject medical science that may save their lives and instead rely on conspiracy theories and charlatans out to deceive and make a dollar on them.
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bearsfootball516
(6,712 posts)Siwsan
(27,834 posts)Guess I have a knack for attracting miscreants.
herding cats
(20,049 posts)I love it when the system works that fast around here.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Watch them go bankrupt from health care bills. Then we all get to pay even more.
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Grins
(9,457 posts)Not really explained. but she wasn't a Walmart employee, and not living (with her equally idiot husband) as dependents of her father responsible for at least half her/their support.
Even at that, IRS rules may not help her/them. Minors and elderly yes; no mention of those struggling with health problems.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)I predict their roads through life will never be smooth, regardless of if they stay together, or not.
NewHendoLib
(61,857 posts)Initech
(108,772 posts)It's been almost a year since the vaccines were fully made available. If you don't know by now that what you see on Facebook is 100% grade A bullshit, then I can't feel too sorry for you.
Rabrrrrrr
(58,374 posts)Good work, you two!!
I feel totally owned. By God, you totally screwed my not-afraid-of-science libtardness.
AverageOldGuy
(3,829 posts). . . especially for the infant who did not have a chance, at some point each of us is responsible for ourselves. For those who listen to the anti-vaxxers, the pro-ivermectin morons, and the like, I'm sorry about that but you had your chance.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)Poor little guy lived 6 days of hell on earth.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)Siwsan
(27,834 posts)The parents are going to suffer for the rest of their lives, and that's exactly what they deserve.
Rocknation
(45,006 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2022, 06:37 PM - Edit history (3)
Apparently, the wife had a miscarriage last year. With or without a pandemic, trying again within eight months was not smart.
It also says that the baby was delivered at 24 weeks -- closer to 14 weeks early than 24.
(link)
Rocknation
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)One for her medical expenses and one to fund the husband's rental for while she's in the hospital. That one had a low goal - just $500 - but was at $850, earlier.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Total narcissists.
budkin
(6,849 posts)The parents can go to hell.