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Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:11 AM Mar 2022

This has to be the saddest anti-vaxxer story, yet.

A young couple made an announcement that they are expecting a baby. From something he wrote, it sounded like she’s had several miscarriages but they are SO HOPEFUL this time. Both refused to get the Covid vaccine. Not sure of the wife’s politics, but there’s no doubt the husband hates President Biden.

He was the first to catch it and then he spread it to his 4 month pregnant wife. She ended up hospitalized with Covid pneumonia and then had to have an emergency C-section, giving birth 24 weeks early to a 1 lb. 10 oz boy who developed a staph infection (or, as the father wrote, a ‘staff’ infection). Needless to say, the baby didn’t make it.

Now the mother is supposedly awaiting a double lung transplant. Of course, that can only mean she’s finally gotten vaccinated, since that is a non-negotiable requirement for organ transplants. And, of course, the family doesn’t have the financial means to handle any of this. Her FB page has been scrubbed so I have no idea if she has a job, but the dad is an assistant manager at Walmart. Not sure what kind of salary and health insurance they offer but I bet it’s not nearly robust enough. So, of course, they have ‘Go Fund Me’ accounts set up to help him pay for a rental, while she's hospitalized. There also seems to be some other sort of fund raising going on to raise money for bills. And since he's not working, right now, there's zero income coming in.

All because they refused a free vaccine.

https://www.facebook.com/herman.cain.awards.stop.covid

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This has to be the saddest anti-vaxxer story, yet. (Original Post) Siwsan Mar 2022 OP
It is sad XanaDUer2 Mar 2022 #1
It's rare to see the survivors stop $hit posting Siwsan Mar 2022 #3
Pitiful. nt SunSeeker Mar 2022 #2
I hope the only one who had no say in this story Rests In Peace. usaf-vet Mar 2022 #49
It's stupid and totally predictable DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #4
And we are all paying for it - one way or another Siwsan Mar 2022 #5
My niece Rebl2 Mar 2022 #30
The scary thing about Covid is, it seems to 'customize' how it will attack Siwsan Mar 2022 #33
Immune Systems Aren't All Alike... GB_RN Mar 2022 #50
I was exposed to Covid twice and never developed any symptoms Siwsan Mar 2022 #68
The first version was like a cold for the lucky IbogaProject Mar 2022 #80
I've considered that possibility Siwsan Mar 2022 #83
Yep very low influenza 20-21 flu season IbogaProject Mar 2022 #88
And it appears that infections and hospitalizations are going up in the UK Siwsan Mar 2022 #89
That makes sense -- if only because the weather will be improving. Rocknation Mar 2022 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Rocknation Mar 2022 #98
I'm right there with you, DenaliDemocrat. calimary Mar 2022 #78
These are the sort of people destroying my country RAB910 Mar 2022 #6
I have no sympathy for them - Siwsan Mar 2022 #8
Do they live in a "pro-life" state? Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #7
Oh my ... Delphinus Mar 2022 #20
They only care about the to be born, Jetheels Mar 2022 #38
EXACTLY gopiscrap Mar 2022 #70
If they are in a red state they lost access to any 'pro-life' support (if you can call it that) Scalded Nun Mar 2022 #45
I'm fresh out of sympathy for stupid people. Aristus Mar 2022 #9
Better safe than sorry underpants Mar 2022 #10
Absolutely how I feel about this situation Siwsan Mar 2022 #11
They must be so proud of themselves. That'll sure own the libs! lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #12
Someone actually posed that sentiment on the fund raising page. Siwsan Mar 2022 #15
If the family are still anti-vax, they deserve to be trolled. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #21
I agree gopiscrap Mar 2022 #72
How many versions of this tale will be told before it's over? DFW Mar 2022 #13
There's not a whole lot of capacity for insight with people of this mindset. Siwsan Mar 2022 #17
Sadly so. DFW Mar 2022 #42
Gain of velocity research is dangerous and should be banned! n/t xocetaceans Mar 2022 #56
Call Reverend Peter Popoff right f--king now! Hotler Mar 2022 #14
They, too, could get a check for THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, in the mail!!! Siwsan Mar 2022 #16
I don't think that spring water is that fancy. I imagine it is out of someone's Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #18
I wish I could drum up sympathy for their plight. phylny Mar 2022 #19
This story is normal now Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #22
Not quite simply flu level yet Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #31
Flu for those vaccinated and boosted Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #36
Ahhh, good point. Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #48
And it's down to 972 deaths a day now Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #58
I just never thought of it that way Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #67
A sign of intelligence is changing one's mind when presented with new evidence Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #77
I wear a mask for your reasons and also, so people won't think I'm a Rethuglican. OMGWTF Mar 2022 #60
+1 Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #66
So you're saying Driving a big rig around, honking horns, and flying Trumper flags... mackdaddy Mar 2022 #23
No, that's just "show biz". The virus is defeated by "rolling coal" JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2022 #52
I'm not going to click on your link, but you've done a good job telling this sad story FakeNoose Mar 2022 #24
How?? Almost sixty years of actively dumbing down the already pitiful education niyad Mar 2022 #27
A lot of the stories that appear on that FB page also show up on sorryantivaxxers.com Siwsan Mar 2022 #29
Morons Lucky Luciano Mar 2022 #25
Wow. Yeah this is pretty tragic Roc2020 Mar 2022 #26
Disinformation kills. wnylib Mar 2022 #34
Stupid prizes! gibraltar72 Mar 2022 #28
I have zero sympathy for this couple Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #32
I was reading her sister's fund raising posts. Damn Siwsan Mar 2022 #35
Oh, yawn. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #37
The irresponsibility of this couple is tragic, IMHO, because of the loss of the infant Siwsan Mar 2022 #40
"Fought hard to conceive and carry" PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #61
All I can do is shake my head Siwsan Mar 2022 #63
The survival rate for babies born at 24 weeks gestation is 60-70%. Mariana Mar 2022 #94
Something isn't right in the numbers for her pregnancy. mnhtnbb Mar 2022 #39
I can only go by what he wrote, but yea - Siwsan Mar 2022 #41
Maybe if they wrote to their favorite 'god-sent' 'billionaire' for money 70sEraVet Mar 2022 #43
They are certainly responsible Traildogbob Mar 2022 #84
They sure owned the libs, didn't they?! RedSpartan Mar 2022 #44
I read this just last night! Rocknation Mar 2022 #46
I feel terrible for the child that had to be taken by a C-section 5 months early but .... Botany Mar 2022 #47
Actually, it was more like 3.5 months early Rocknation Mar 2022 #95
Guess what. I don't give a damn mercuryblues Mar 2022 #51
Step right up BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #53
Not sad -- stupid and selfish (as a miscarriage survivor family) JT45242 Mar 2022 #54
When musclecar6 Mar 2022 #55
I feel sorry for the baby however Handler Mar 2022 #57
My Pity Bag is quite empty, am sorry to say.................. secondwind Mar 2022 #59
Anti-vaxxers and their enablers have blood on their hands. hay rick Mar 2022 #62
So they don't get vaccinated then when they get sick they expose their bodies to all types of Pepsidog Mar 2022 #64
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #65
Enjoy your stay! bearsfootball516 Mar 2022 #69
That's the second time one of my posts attracted a first time posting troll Siwsan Mar 2022 #73
And, that's a wrap! herding cats Mar 2022 #75
Ignorance and superstition is expensive for all of us. TeamProg Mar 2022 #71
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #74
Walmart would not cover her insurance under her father's plan Grins Mar 2022 #76
I never saw where she was employed, just her husband's page listing Walmart as his employer Siwsan Mar 2022 #81
I've been totally out of fucks to give for a long time NewHendoLib Mar 2022 #79
Same. Initech Mar 2022 #82
All I can say, as the fucking libtard that I am, those two have totally owned me! Rabrrrrrr Mar 2022 #85
While the story is sad . . . AverageOldGuy Mar 2022 #86
The parents be damned. It was the death of the infant was my sadness trigger. Siwsan Mar 2022 #87
Not sad. live love laugh Mar 2022 #90
I think it is, only because of the death of the infant Siwsan Mar 2022 #91
Found the medical GoFundMe Page Rocknation Mar 2022 #92
They have two 'Go Fund Me' pages Siwsan Mar 2022 #93
People like this should never be allowed to have children period Meowmee Mar 2022 #96
I only feel bad for the child budkin Mar 2022 #99

XanaDUer2

(15,772 posts)
1. It is sad
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:15 AM
Mar 2022

These are the people who could most be helped by Democratic policies. Now, they're learning a sad, expensive, miserable set of lessons. Or, maybe not.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
3. It's rare to see the survivors stop $hit posting
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:18 AM
Mar 2022

Some continue with the anti vax stuff, some with the anti-Biden nonsense. They are beyond redemption.

The family of this woman refuse to acknowledge any of her responsibilities for what is happening. The just want to concentrate on the 'future', if she has one.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,777 posts)
4. It's stupid and totally predictable
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:19 AM
Mar 2022

I have no empathy or sympathy. I suffer from debilitating genetic chronic disease. This was 100% avoidable and they chose their own path.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
5. And we are all paying for it - one way or another
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:25 AM
Mar 2022

My heart just breaks for that poor infant, and the staff who had to experience this event.

She claims she didn't get vaccinated because she was pregnant. I call BS because the vaccines were available LONG before she conceived. No doubt she bought into that 'the vaccine causes infertility' nonsense.

Rebl2

(17,738 posts)
30. My niece
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:12 AM
Mar 2022

was pregnant last summer and was actually getting two different messages from the doctors she was seeing about getting vaccinated-still don’t understand that. She got Covid, but ended up okay and had a healthy baby.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
33. The scary thing about Covid is, it seems to 'customize' how it will attack
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:21 AM
Mar 2022

It's like it has a special quality that allows it to exploit vulnerabilities that one just doesn't know they have. It can take out a healthy 30 year old, and spare someone in their 70's or 80's.

GB_RN

(3,558 posts)
50. Immune Systems Aren't All Alike...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:10 AM
Mar 2022

Like everyone of us, our immune systems are somewhat unique and each of us responds differently to an infection and the virus is capable of taking advantage of that.

Just to clarify: The immune system itself is the same in structure across the human species. It’s the response that can be different. That’s why one person can be allergic to something and the next person isn’t: Allergies are an immune response to something - an inappropriate response, though.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
68. I was exposed to Covid twice and never developed any symptoms
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:42 AM
Mar 2022

My brother had it VERY early in the pandemic and before we really knew what was happening. He was at my house twice. He got really sick. I had a cold, at the time. I read later that there is some thinking that might have provided a bit of protection. Might explain why I escaped? Who knows.

I've also never had any symptoms of flu, despite never getting vaccinated (until last year) and sailed through a case of Shingles with minimal discomfort.

IbogaProject

(5,911 posts)
80. The first version was like a cold for the lucky
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:01 PM
Mar 2022

You can't really rule out wether you had it then, even if you caught any variant later with more symptoms.

I had it the second week of March 2020, it was like a mild cold. My 89 year old mom and 60 year old institutionalized sister had mild cases that spring. It was pure luck to have a favorable blood type & restrained but efficient immune response.

I survived double pneumonia on a ventilator for 16 days 20 years ago in Europe. So the pandemic was a PTSD hortor for me personally. I got my shots and my booster, ever so slightly after the rush. I didn't feel the need to crowd any others, and I didn't want to miss my chance to protect others by being less virulent and have continued to mask.

I hate to say it but I hope those nitwits never succeed at breading.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
83. I've considered that possibility
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:06 PM
Mar 2022

Mid March, 2020, is about when my brother got so sick.

For an old dame, I still have a pretty robust immune system, but I am also super cautious. Thanks to mask wearing, I haven't even had a cold, in over 2 years. Sweet.

IbogaProject

(5,911 posts)
88. Yep very low influenza 20-21 flu season
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:29 PM
Mar 2022

The social distancing, shutdowns, remote work, remote education and masking reduced the ability for the flu to spread much. Covid is much more virulent, especially the recent variants.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
89. And it appears that infections and hospitalizations are going up in the UK
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:31 PM
Mar 2022

So we will likely see the same, in a week or two.

Rocknation

(45,006 posts)
97. That makes sense -- if only because the weather will be improving.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:16 PM
Mar 2022

Last edited Thu Mar 17, 2022, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)

The big spike we had during the year-end holidays was caused by -- well, the year-end holidays!


Rocknation

Response to Siwsan (Reply #89)

calimary

(90,017 posts)
78. I'm right there with you, DenaliDemocrat.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:58 AM
Mar 2022

I don’t have much sympathy or empathy either. Trying to find some, but it’s mighty hard in cases like this.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
6. These are the sort of people destroying my country
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:29 AM
Mar 2022

as such, I struggle to have all that much sympathy for them. There are people (like the ones in Ukraine) that are far more worthy of my sympathies

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
8. I have no sympathy for them -
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

It's the part about the infant that gets to me. A truly innocent victim of his parents idiocy.

Crunchy Frog

(28,280 posts)
7. Do they live in a "pro-life" state?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

If so, maybe they'll prosecute her for the preventable death of her baby.

Delphinus

(12,522 posts)
20. Oh my ...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:50 AM
Mar 2022

that's a thought - but if they're in a pro-life state, they may not believe the vaccine works anyway.

Scalded Nun

(1,691 posts)
45. If they are in a red state they lost access to any 'pro-life' support (if you can call it that)
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:57 AM
Mar 2022

as soon as the baby was pulled from from the mother.

underpants

(196,490 posts)
10. Better safe than sorry
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:37 AM
Mar 2022

Isn’t that the saying?
It’s just amazing that people can be coerced into ignoring the most basic advise. Think about people roughly our age, guys too, who also no longer watch football and root against our Olympic athletes. I know we grew up with our own propaganda during the Cold War but like Santa it’s in there and some part of you should still harbor it.

Just amazing.

BTW - I did not know the source/meaning of “Poguey bait”. From the MRE thread.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
11. Absolutely how I feel about this situation
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:39 AM
Mar 2022

To think she struggled to successfully conceive and carry this child, only to so irresponsibly sabotage the whole process.

I'm going to follow her fund raising page, just see if they are being realistic about her being able to receive this procedure, so fast. They make it sound like she's going to have the surgery, any time now.

I suspect she's just been put on the transplant list, perhaps pending her getting vaccinated. (I thought I read there is a waiting period for vaccination, once you've had Covid. I could be wrong.)

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
15. Someone actually posed that sentiment on the fund raising page.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:42 AM
Mar 2022

I'm not a fan of people cruelly trolling the families of anti-vaxxers who suffer the consequences.

Others have pleaded with the family to use this opportunity to encourage people to GET vaccinated. They refuse, stating they are focused on the future, not the past. So, this might not be the end of their Covid journey.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
13. How many versions of this tale will be told before it's over?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:40 AM
Mar 2022

No doubt tens of thousands more. Do these people expect that people who got vaccinated will send them money? Do they expect people who disagree with their hate for Joe Biden to send them money? Do they expect that people like Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs, the Mercers, Joel Osteen or the Trumps will send them money?

At some point they will come to the sad conclusion that neither the people they hate nor the people they admire will send them anything.

Then they will say that it is God’s will, and express their hate for Joe Biden and us “libbruls” with their dying breath. What DO they expect, I wonder? I suspect that people like this will come with a thousand different answers, not ONE of which will be, “I was wrong, I was stupid and I was cruel, can you forgive me after all the evil I have wrought?”

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
17. There's not a whole lot of capacity for insight with people of this mindset.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:45 AM
Mar 2022

I suspect they will live their lives in complete denial of their irresponsible choices

DFW

(60,182 posts)
42. Sadly so.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:51 AM
Mar 2022

They would jump off a 300 foot cliff and then blame "libbruls" for gravity.

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
14. Call Reverend Peter Popoff right f--king now!
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:41 AM
Mar 2022

for some Miracle Spring Water to fix all their troubles.



Edit to add; The saddest part is the baby.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
16. They, too, could get a check for THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, in the mail!!!
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:43 AM
Mar 2022

All because of some repackaged Poland Springs water!!

Ray Bruns

(6,356 posts)
18. I don't think that spring water is that fancy. I imagine it is out of someone's
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:47 AM
Mar 2022

Kitchen sink.

phylny

(8,818 posts)
19. I wish I could drum up sympathy for their plight.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:50 AM
Mar 2022

I just put my granddaughter in for a nap. She was born last July, healthy and strong after her mother did what her doctors told her and was vaccinated. Her mother, my daughter, even got the booster and hoped that some of the antibodies would be beneficial to our granddaughter who is breast-feeding.

What a waste.

Johnny2X2X

(24,205 posts)
22. This story is normal now
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:00 AM
Mar 2022

With the vaccines rendering the Omicron variant basically the flu to almost all of those who have taken it, the people suffering tragedies like this are mostly like this couple. If you are fully vaccinated and boosted, this isn't going to happen to you, period.

But this is a cult. Even after this, these cult members won't change their beliefs. Accepting responsibility is not within their capabilities.

Farmer-Rick

(12,663 posts)
31. Not quite simply flu level yet
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:17 AM
Mar 2022

Last I looked, 1400 Americans die every day from Covid. Just found out the most honest mechanic in the world died from COVID. Yeah, he was an anti-vaxxer. A real loss to the community.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, if the death rate falls to 250 a day, we are in flu territory.

Johnny2X2X

(24,205 posts)
36. Flu for those vaccinated and boosted
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:35 AM
Mar 2022

Those 1400 Americans dying are about 1300 unvaccinated vs 75 partially or fully vaccinated vs 25 fully vaccinated and boosted. So if everyone was vaccinated we'd be at 100 or so deaths a day, if everyone was vaccinated and boosted we'd be at 25 deaths a day, less than a normal flu season.

Basically, if you're fully vaccinated and/or boosted, Covid is the flu, the flu can still kill some people, but mostly we just get over it after a few days of being miserable.

And also, according to the CDC you're 14 times less likely to even get Covid is you're fully vaccinated and boosted. So the number of cases would be 14th what it is now if everyone in the country had done what they needed to do to protect their communities.

Bottom line is that stories like this one are only happening to antivaxxers right now. For the rest of us, Covid is now the flu. Unfortunately there are poor traumatized hospital workers who still have to deal with the tragedies of the stupid like this daily.

And what's worse about these people, is that responsible and caring citizens/DUers like you and I are doing everything we can to protect these people. I wear a mask out not for my own protection, although it does help me some, but to protect the antivaxxers that I could transmit Covid to if I got it and didn't know it. In general I do what I can to limit the spread to help people I don't even know, and the people who need that help most are antivaxxers. They scoff at mask wearers when mask wearers are helping prevent them from becoming a story like this one.

Johnny2X2X

(24,205 posts)
58. And it's down to 972 deaths a day now
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:21 AM
Mar 2022

So call it 1,000 a day and about 920 are antivaxxers, 60 are partially or 2 shot vaxxers, and 20 are fully vaxxed and boosted. General numbers, but you get the point. This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated right now. If everyone had done what was needed to do in the US, Covid wouldn't even be a concern anymore, at least until some new variant maybe changed the game again.

And the media has gone gentle on this group, if they were covered fairly, the amount of resentment towards them would be overwhelming. Because of this group of selfish imbeciles, the rest of us continued to sacrifice. We were required to wear masks to protect the imbeciles long after universal vaccinations could have limited mask wearing substantially. Schools still get shut down for weeks at a time right now to protect the imbeciles from a deadly and preventable disease.

And after all the thinking portion of society has sacrificed to protect them, what do they do? They send truckers to the border to shut it down costing businesses and causing people to be sent home from their jobs. Never has their been a group of Americans as selfish and self centered as today's anti vaxxers. They refused to do their part, so everyone else was forced to do much more to try to protect them. It's maddening.

Farmer-Rick

(12,663 posts)
67. I just never thought of it that way
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:39 AM
Mar 2022

I was just looking at the total.

I think you have totally changed my perspective on it.

This is what's so great about dealing with thinking, smart people. They open up your mind to different perspectives.

Johnny2X2X

(24,205 posts)
77. A sign of intelligence is changing one's mind when presented with new evidence
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:54 AM
Mar 2022

Cudos to you Farmer-Rick!

And I am not attempting to down play Covid in anyway, I'm just taking the CDC numbers about deaths from Covid for unvaccinated vs partially, fully, and boosted vaccinated people. It truly is a pandemic of the unvaccinated right now.

If we were 95% fully vaccinated and boosted, I don't even think it would be spreading anywhere in the US right now. And the hospitals would only have the odd Covid patient here and there.

Here's the thing that really sucks though, is that when/if it does mutate and rips back through the country again, the same thing will happen again, the vaccinated will be protecting themselves and then sacrificing to protect the morons from themselves too.

Anecdotally, I know an anti vaxxer who was one of those "natural immunity is superior" guys, he learned the hard way this December and got extremely sick from Omicron because he was not vaccinated, hopefully he's realized that he'll need a booster no matter what if a new variant threatens the country again.

Johnny2X2X

(24,205 posts)
66. +1
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:37 AM
Mar 2022

I think about that too when I'm at a store, I don't want to be mistaken for an anti American Democracy Republican.

You know, we tell ourselves we are taking these measures to protect those with weakened immune systems, the elderly, and small children, but the fact is we're still being cautious mostly to protect idiot anti vaxxers from their own selves. These idiots are the sole reason Covid is still circulating in a meaningful way in most places in the US right now. These clowns are the reason why the immune compromised are still at great risk from Covid. These self centered immature dimwits are the reason life is still not back to totally normal. There are immune weakened people right now who literally live as shut ins right now because of this group. So fucking sick of them, grow the hell up and think about someone other than yourselves for once.

mackdaddy

(1,976 posts)
23. So you're saying Driving a big rig around, honking horns, and flying Trumper flags...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:02 AM
Mar 2022

...Does not keep the virus away?

asking for a friend..

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
52. No, that's just "show biz". The virus is defeated by "rolling coal"
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:15 AM
Mar 2022

I love the smell of unburned hydrocarbons in the morning. It smells like "owned libs".

Vaccine? No, not me, I have not yet gotten my second booster.

FakeNoose

(41,629 posts)
24. I'm not going to click on your link, but you've done a good job telling this sad story
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:02 AM
Mar 2022

I haven't gone back to Facebook since shortly after Jan. 6th, 2021 and I don't believe I'll ever go back there. If I do, it will only be to delete everything, as a last resort.

Thanks for posting the story. It makes me wonder, "How can Americans be THIS stupid?"

niyad

(132,436 posts)
27. How?? Almost sixty years of actively dumbing down the already pitiful education
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:11 AM
Mar 2022

system, along with a well-funded, relentless, widespread propaganda machine.

And whatever is poisoning our soil, air and water.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
29. A lot of the stories that appear on that FB page also show up on sorryantivaxxers.com
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:12 AM
Mar 2022

Ironically, the couple who run the sorryantivaxxers site BOTH got Covid! Of course, they were fully vaccinated and are recovering, but they are taking a break so the people who run the Herman Cain Awardzz page on FB have started cross posting some of the more 'interesting' sagas. They are actually MUCH easier to read on the sorryantivaxxers site.

Roc2020

(1,787 posts)
26. Wow. Yeah this is pretty tragic
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:07 AM
Mar 2022

I'm sure there are worse but we don't know. Ignorance kills. Hubris Kills. Hate Kills.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
34. Disinformation kills.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:30 AM
Mar 2022

I feel sadness for the ignorance and anger at the disinformation.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
32. I have zero sympathy for this couple
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:18 AM
Mar 2022

They made a decision based upon what they chose to believe and despite all the information available, all the science and a free vaccine they elected to take the chance that they "knew" better. Well, that worked out really good for them didn't it.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
35. I was reading her sister's fund raising posts. Damn
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:35 AM
Mar 2022

Apparently she has insurance, but will still be incurring massive medical bills. She's looking at more than a year out of work and her husband is on a leave of absence, so I'm actually wondering how they have insurance, short of paying the premiums out of pocket. I mean, he works for Walmart, which makes me think they won't be carrying his insurance for him, while he's on a LOA.

Her sisters are running some really aggressive fund raising. They are on FB, Tic Tok and Instagram. Not sure what they are selling, except for t-shirts. What ever they do manage to raise will be less than a drop in the ocean of the financial debt this couple is facing.

And they said she will need to fly back to Minnesota (she's at the Mayo Clinic) for follow up visits. I have no idea where they live, but apparently it isn't close to Minnesota.

All for the lack of the vaccine. And that the husband was the first to catch it, and then infect his wife - how can he live with himself, except by living in complete denial of his (ir)responsibility

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
37. Oh, yawn.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:41 AM
Mar 2022

This is hardly a sad story, it's such a common story by now (anti-vaxxers get Covid, their kids get it also, several or all die) that it's hardly newsworthy.

I also think the baby was born at 24 weeks, not 24 weeks early, as a pregnancy is typically 40 weeks, so I doubt he was born at 4 months (16 weeks).

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
40. The irresponsibility of this couple is tragic, IMHO, because of the loss of the infant
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:48 AM
Mar 2022

One that, apparently, she fought hard to conceive and carry. I have no idea what effect a double lung transplant, and the required anti rejection medication would have on her ever hoping to conceive and carry another child, but maybe this couple is best left childless.

When I saw the picture of, and read the weight of the infant, I knew there was no way he would survive. Especially with a staph infection. Her low oxygen saturation probably doomed him.

As for the accuracy of what he posted - well, that's nothing I can control.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
61. "Fought hard to conceive and carry"
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:27 AM
Mar 2022

and yet didn't do the most basic thing, getting a vaccine.

And if she actually gets the double lung transplant, she will live the rest of her life on anti-rejection drugs, which are necessary, but also have their own serious side-effects. I'll guess that the possibility of having a baby at this point is pretty close to zero.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
63. All I can do is shake my head
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:35 AM
Mar 2022

I have no patience or sympathy for these people. I save that for those they have damaged.

Mariana

(15,624 posts)
94. The survival rate for babies born at 24 weeks gestation is 60-70%.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 02:42 PM
Mar 2022

Factor in the periods of low oxygen, and whatever other complications from Covid, plus the staph infection...

mnhtnbb

(33,345 posts)
39. Something isn't right in the numbers for her pregnancy.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:47 AM
Mar 2022

Normal gestation is 40 weeks. Giving birth 24 weeks early would put the gestation at 16 weeks, which is not viable. The baby would not likely be 1 lb 10 oz at that stage, either. So, maybe confusion? Babies may be viable at 24 weeks, and could be 1 lb 10 oz. in size, so maybe that is when the baby was born.

People make bad decisions all the time. It's very sad, regardless of their politics. My daughter was stillborn at 22 weeks and my heart goes out to them for their loss.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
41. I can only go by what he wrote, but yea -
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:49 AM
Mar 2022

No doubt he's not in a fit emotional state to be reporting much of anything.

70sEraVet

(5,482 posts)
43. Maybe if they wrote to their favorite 'god-sent' 'billionaire' for money
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:51 AM
Mar 2022

After all, he got them into this mess - he and the Faucci-haters on FOX!

Traildogbob

(13,017 posts)
84. They are certainly responsible
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:08 PM
Mar 2022

But this is just more blood up to the elbows on Fox. Gods plan, maybe rescued the child from those irresponsible parents. HE obviously denied their other attempts. More of the strange ways God does things.

Rocknation

(45,006 posts)
46. I read this just last night!
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:58 AM
Mar 2022

Last edited Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:35 AM - Edit history (1)

For a second, I thought this thread was about one of the Duggars

TMZ: Jill Duggar and Derick Dillard are feeling anxious about her pregnancy, because they're both fighting COVID-19 after testing positive for the virus...

Jill and Derick tell us they are both fully vaccinated, and they believe the mild symptoms they are experiencing could have been much worse without the shots...Jill and Derick have 2 young boys...Jill suffered a miscarriage last year...

"Last year" was less than nine months ago. And according to FamousBirthdays.com, the boys were born in 2015 and 2017 -- both by C-section. So being just another baby-a-year breeder may not be God's will for Jill and Derick. At least she'll have plenty of candidates if an organ transplant is necessary.


Rocknation

Botany

(77,318 posts)
47. I feel terrible for the child that had to be taken by a C-section 5 months early but ....
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:01 AM
Mar 2022

.... as per the parents if one or both of them die I don't care and we shouldn't be spending money and
medical care on them.

mercuryblues

(16,409 posts)
51. Guess what. I don't give a damn
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:13 AM
Mar 2022

Because of them and people like them, my transplant unit shut down for over a month, postponing my Bone Marrow Transplant.

While I was waiting, my Cancer came out of full remission. Now I get to die sooner because of them and their willful stupidity.

JT45242

(4,043 posts)
54. Not sad -- stupid and selfish (as a miscarriage survivor family)
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

My wife had a miscarriage before our first child was born. We had tried for a long time to get pregnant and she was seeing a fertility specialist. She was devastated. I was devastated. We knew that once you have one miscarriage you are at higher risks for more in every pregnancy.

So, when we were trying to get pregnant again. We would do ABOSLUTELY EVERYTHING TO PREVENT ANOTHER MISCARRIAGE. My wife quit her high stress job and took a pay cut. We ate healthy. Saw the doctor every week -- literally for the first 6 months of the pregnancy. Whatever the doctor said that we needed to do to minimize risk, we did it. Walk more. You got it doc. More vegetables, OK. Get plenty of rest. OK.

We were blessed that the next two pregnancies gave us two wonderful children.

This couple put their politics over the health of their potential child and the mom. He killed his child. He will likely kill his wife with his allegiance to MAGA world -- as finding a perfect match lung and not having complications is a crap shoot at best.

I have less than zero sympathy as someone who went through a miscarriage and lived to come through the other side. I know of far too many couples who end up divorced over the stress of a miscarriage. I know many who did what we did with subsequent pregnancies -- every safety precaution that the doctors recommended.

They f-ed around and found out that stupid decisions based on loyalty to a con man have deadly consequences. The husband is probably too clueless to realize his own culpability. No sympathy.

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
55. When
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

The first vaccines became available, most people I know ( republicans and democrats, independents) immediately got their shots as soon as they were eligible. If that stupid orange asshole had immediately done the smart thing and got fully behind all the safe protocols like mask wearing and admonished everyone who didn't, and didn't turn it into a ridiculous political issue, he would have been re-elected easily.

The good news is, he was too stupid to do the smart thing. The bad news is, many gullible and or not bright fools, followed his lead.

Handler

(339 posts)
57. I feel sorry for the baby however
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:21 AM
Mar 2022

the parents had the info and knew the risk. My days of caring about these people are long past. 🇺🇦

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
62. Anti-vaxxers and their enablers have blood on their hands.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:31 AM
Mar 2022

And they don't care. I do feel bad for the suckers that trusted their advice.

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
64. So they don't get vaccinated then when they get sick they expose their bodies to all types of
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:36 AM
Mar 2022

medical treatments and medicines they know even less about. At least the RWNJs who reject medicine for religious beliefs have the courage of their convictions to stay at home and die. What a F’ed up world the RW media has created where everyday common folks vote against their own interests in support of big business and billionaires and selectively reject medical science that may save their lives and instead rely on conspiracy theories and charlatans out to deceive and make a dollar on them.

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Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
73. That's the second time one of my posts attracted a first time posting troll
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:44 AM
Mar 2022

Guess I have a knack for attracting miscreants.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
71. Ignorance and superstition is expensive for all of us.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:44 AM
Mar 2022

Watch them go bankrupt from health care bills. Then we all get to pay even more.

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Grins

(9,457 posts)
76. Walmart would not cover her insurance under her father's plan
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:49 AM
Mar 2022

Not really explained. but she wasn't a Walmart employee, and not living (with her equally idiot husband) as dependents of her father responsible for at least half her/their support.

Even at that, IRS rules may not help her/them. Minors and elderly yes; no mention of those struggling with health problems.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
81. I never saw where she was employed, just her husband's page listing Walmart as his employer
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:02 PM
Mar 2022

I predict their roads through life will never be smooth, regardless of if they stay together, or not.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
82. Same.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:06 PM
Mar 2022

It's been almost a year since the vaccines were fully made available. If you don't know by now that what you see on Facebook is 100% grade A bullshit, then I can't feel too sorry for you.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,374 posts)
85. All I can say, as the fucking libtard that I am, those two have totally owned me!
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:09 PM
Mar 2022

Good work, you two!!

I feel totally owned. By God, you totally screwed my not-afraid-of-science libtardness.

AverageOldGuy

(3,829 posts)
86. While the story is sad . . .
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:10 PM
Mar 2022

. . . especially for the infant who did not have a chance, at some point each of us is responsible for ourselves. For those who listen to the anti-vaxxers, the pro-ivermectin morons, and the like, I'm sorry about that but you had your chance.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
87. The parents be damned. It was the death of the infant was my sadness trigger.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:16 PM
Mar 2022

Poor little guy lived 6 days of hell on earth.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
91. I think it is, only because of the death of the infant
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 02:15 PM
Mar 2022

The parents are going to suffer for the rest of their lives, and that's exactly what they deserve.

Rocknation

(45,006 posts)
92. Found the medical GoFundMe Page
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 02:32 PM
Mar 2022

Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2022, 06:37 PM - Edit history (3)

Apparently, the wife had a miscarriage last year. With or without a pandemic, trying again within eight months was not smart.

It also says that the baby was delivered at 24 weeks -- closer to 14 weeks early than 24.
(link)


Rocknation

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
93. They have two 'Go Fund Me' pages
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 02:41 PM
Mar 2022

One for her medical expenses and one to fund the husband's rental for while she's in the hospital. That one had a low goal - just $500 - but was at $850, earlier.

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