Kyiv must accept it will not join Nato, Zelensky says

[AZProgressive]

Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky has said the country must accept it can’t ever join Nato. Speaking to representatives of the UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) via video link on Tuesday, he said: “Ukraine is not a member of Nato. We understand that.

“We have heard for years that the doors were open, but we also heard that we could not join. It’s a truth and it must be recognised.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-zelensky-china-nato-b2035896.html

There isn’t much more than that. The link has multiple stories in one article.

[Buckeyeblue]

1. Is his saying this a demand Russia has for pulling out?

[zaj]

2. Setting up a settlement?

[Joinfortmill]

3. Fuck that. I'm gonna make some noise if that happens.

[Wingus Dingus]

4. They've proven they can defend themselves, and NATO countries can always supply them.

This removes one of Pooty's complaints. Hopefully they can reach an agreement soon.

[Lovie777]

5. Leaving Ukraine wide open for another Russian attack . . .

And Putin will regroup and attack again.

[Wingus Dingus]

6. No, Ukraine will be extremely well-equipped and ready to defend itself

again.

[lagomorph777]

13. Unless we keep sanctions and other measures (cyber, etc) in place until Putin is destroyed.

I agree, it's not a happy prospect unless we are willing to destroy Putin by any means possible, short of nuclear war.

[jmbar2]

7. Say whatever you need to say get the Orcs to leave

You don't have to keep your word. They won't.

[NotASurfer]

9. Absolutely this

Russia agreed to respect Ukrainian borders when Ukraine gave up all those nuclear weapons after the USSR fell apart. How's that working out?

So NATO membership will be quietly worked out in advance, then announced as a fair accompli at an opportune time

[Wingus Dingus]

12. Yes.

[lagomorph777]

15. Yeah why the fuck would anybody be honest with Putin?

That's as foolish as playing by the rules in the US Senate, after McConnell has violated every rule and norm he could get his gangrenous claws on.

[Takket]

19. You took the words right out of my mouth

Just lie. Sign a treaty. Who cares. What is Russia going to do if Ukraine breaks the treaty? Whine to the UN? No one will recognize a treaty signed under these conditions.

Or better yet… don’t joint NATO, but “give” one mile of Ikraine territory on every border they share with Russia to Poland. Make that mile Russia has to cross all NATO territory.

[gab13by13]

8. Maybe he wants NATO to be a bit more welcoming to Ukraine?

[uponit7771]

10. ***THIS IS A MISTRANSLATION!! **The correct translation is NATO won't accept us

[Lovie777]

11. Correction .... thanks.....

although Nato cannot accept them now because that would be an act of war, so what I've read.

[roamer65]

14. 10 to 15 more days and Putler will be ready to get out.

Defeat of RF army is now baked into the cards.

Now is about decimation of the RF army and restive regions of the RF declaring independence.

[Hortensis]

16. Suggests negotiations with Putin, but he also calls for security guarantees

from NATO allies to protect Ukraine from Russian invasion.

[Torchlight]

17. My feeling is Zenlinskyy is saying what best averts immediate crises.

Translation has his reading in past passive tense; I wonder if that's accurate as is.

If so, Zelinskyy is certainly not denying any potential future alliances or memberships, only affirming a past reality.

[maxsolomon]

18. NATO rules. They cannot accept a country with a territorial dispute.

Its why Putin started territorial disputes in Donbas & Luhansk and seized Crimea.

Same goes for Georgia, and Moldova with its breakaway Transnistria region.