**BREAKING**: Russia claims 'parts of peace deal' with Ukraine are close to being agreed

[uponit7771]

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-peace-talk-deal-b2036930.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1647424443

Russia has claimed that a peace deal with Ukraine could be possible with some parts “close to agreement”.

Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said that “neutral status” for Ukraine “is now being seriously discussed along, of course, with security guarantees.”

Doesn't mean anything coming from Russia seeing they broke the last deal, I'd pound these bastards into the ground before they left if I was Zel.

Putrid is the process of knocking over all the chess pieces and strutting around like he won ... nope, humiliate him.

***UPDATE***

Things are fluid, looks like Zel still has some fight in him ... Putrid needs his ass kicked some more

Link to tweet

[underpants]

1. I'd expect that they end up with the two districts and no NATO

That is most likely what Russia will settle for now.

I say that frozen Russian assets are given to Ukraine to rebuild after this is over.

[unblock]

6. Problem is that was their entire wish list prior to the invasion

They didn't really talk about conquering the whole of ukraine. They only really talked about the Donbas and about not wanting ukraine in NATO.

So if they get that, then invading the entire country will turn out to have been just a crazy negotiating strategy to get everything they wanted originally.

They can't overtly "get" the Donbas. Maybe some assurances. Unfortunately, any such agreement with Russia gives them a legal interest in that area and an excuse to invade later.

[Demsrule86]

40. I don't think so. I doubt Ukraine will agree to that.

[unblock]

2. Neutral hmm... they leave if Ukraine doesn't join NATO...

The man of principles in me says "riiight, because obviously ukraine has no need for any help from NATO nations, whatever"

But the strategist in me says there might be a workaround where they don't officially join but have informal assurances...

[thesquanderer]

25. "informal assurances" sounds a lot like the toothless Budapest Memorandum

which ended up being essentially useless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

[unblock]

27. Any assurance from Russia would be laughable of course, but

assurances from NATO nations to help protect ukraine would he of more consequence

[Happy Hoosier]

28. The US and UK also made assurances...

… and then basically said they don‘t count. Without a formal arrangement, we are not a reliable guarantor.

[thesquanderer]

36. the Budapest Memorandum was also an "assurance" from the United States to Ukraine,

which ended up meaning nothing.

Check that wiki link, about the meaning of the word "assurance" vs. "guarantee," and how the U.S. went out of their way to avoid any obligation, which would have required Senate approval. So we only provided a meaningless "assurance."

[unblock]

44. Well legally, our treaties are meaningless even with senate approval

Republicans decided the supreme law of the land can be revoked with a presidential shrug of the shoulders, so an ironclad guarantee only means whatever is politically convenient at the time.

That said, I think the political calculus has changed in favor of more support for ukraine... for now at least...

[Buckeyeblue]

3. Chess is a great analogy

He's essentially asking for a draw. Which is fine if the fighting stops. But I don't see how the world returns to normalized relations with Putin.

[uponit7771]

5. +1, NEVER FUCKING EVER and anyone affiliated with that fucker goes down with him ...

... including the GZP

Link to tweet

[unblock]

8. Not a draw. Everything they actually wanted.

It's more like trying to sell a house. Market says it's worth $200k, you want $300k, so you list it for a million. Everyone goes "that's crazy, I wouldn't buy it for half that number!" So you say no I want a million but I'll settle for $400k. They counter $300k and you say groan, ok.

[Lovie777]

4. Trust in Russia is -0- . .. .

Trusting Ukraine that Ukraine remains the same before the February 24, 2022 unprovoked invasion and the killings, maiming of Ukrainian citizens will have retributions.

That Ukraine will join Nato.

[Mike Nelson]

7. Well...

... I trust the leader of Ukraine and the leaders of NATO privately consider this a Russian war tactic. Lavrov should not be trusted.

[Tommy Carcetti]

9. I. Don't. Trust. Putin.

Ever.

[barbtries]

10. can't be trusted.

when i hear news that appears to come from russia i just don't believe it anymore.

[pazzyanne]

24. ... And now we have kremlin confirmationwhy faux snooz can't be trusted.

[barbtries]

26. can only hope

that some foxbots (such as my brother) are coming out from under their spell about now.

[LiberalFighter]

11. Ukraine needs to agree only to Russia leaving all of Ukraine and pay reparation costs.

[Tommy Carcetti]

12. Zelensky seems to say slow your roll on this.

Link to tweet

[uponit7771]

18. +1, just saw this ... will update

[cayugafalls]

13. So Russia claims peace deal is being discussed...

Russia then claims deal falls through.

Russia then claims Ukraine wants war and that Ukraine is the aggressor, "Mother Russia wanted Peace all along..."

Typical Russian tactics.

[2naSalit]

31. +1

[kentuck]

14. He wants to buy time to re-supply men and equipment.

He cannot be trusted.

[Ford_Prefect]

15. Lavrov tells more lies per minute than Trump ever did and does it standing on his head in quicksand.

[IronLionZion]

16. Like an abuser saying they might stop punching you in the face soon

“close to agreement”

[uponit7771]

20. +1,

[AngryOldDem]

17. Ukraine said yesterday "some" progress had been made.

Of course Russia will spin that into “a deal is in the works.”

Who trusts Russia and Putin? This is another sign of desperation. I can’t see either Ukraine or Zelensky agreeing to the terms as laid out by Lavrov. “Security guarantees” means Russia’s boot will be firmly placed on Ukraine’s neck. Ask any postwar Soviet satellite what that phrase meant.

Eagerly awaiting Zelensky’s remarks to Congress this morning.

[AllyCat]

19. I don't believe ANYTHING Russia says.

When our State Department or the Ukrainian team says it, I’ll believe it.

[JoanofArgh]

21. Don't trust a word they say. They'll announce a peace

deal and the next day launch chemical weapons against Ukraine

[DFW]

22. Russia, armed to the teeth, just invaded its neutral neighbor who made no hostile move whatsoever

And now, that the Russians are getting their asses kicked despite having overwhelmingly superior numbers, and are causing untold misery on the Ukrainian civilian population, they want to talk about peace combined with neutrality, with terms dictated by RUSSIA? With no guarantees that Russia won't infiltrate their own paid fifth column, just like they did to us with the "Republican" Party and Fox "News?"

If I were Zelensky, my answer would be, "That's interesting. Keep blabbing, and maybe, by accident, you'll say something useful. Just because you haven't yet doesn't mean you won't."

[anamnua]

23. From thousands of miles away

I smell a rat.

[smirkymonkey]

29. I don't believe this for a second, and I doubt they do either.

Putin and Lavrov are psychopathic snakes. Nobody should EVER trust them.

[luv2fly]

30. "Russia claims"

That is as laughable as all the "experts" who have been saying the orange turd may be in serious legal trouble any day now for the past year.

[turbinetree]

32. They are sorta backing down from there invasion...now that the US is going to be sending

in drones to take out air launch sites and more ability to launch attacks with drones

[L. Coyote]

33. Russia cannot be trusted.

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Link to tweet

[Botany]

34. Ukraine's idea for peace in Ukriane:

* Kill the Russians who are still fighting in Ukraine and have the rest leave the country including the Crimea.

* The death of Vlad Putin.

A peace deal with Russia? R you kidding me? Russia told certain Ukrainian cities that they could evacuate
and then attacked those unarmed people as they left their homes.

[dalton99a]

37. +1. Putin routinely targets civilians

[Botany]

38. "+1. Putin routinely targets civilians"

[AngryOldDem]

39. I think it's Russia being as clueless as it thinks the rest of the world is.

If they guarantee safe passage and then proceed to bomb the hell out of that, surely we’ll believe their peace offers.

Nope.

[AllaN01Bear]

35. peace , no peace untill u get out of ukr and crimea

[BlueIdaho]

41. Sanctions should remain until Putin is gone.

Period.

[dalton99a]

43. Absolutely.

[marmar]

42. This invasion has been a tremendous embarrassment for him....

..... he wanted to project strength to the world but Russia actually looks very weak.