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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLavrov says Moscow "will not allow" the transfer of S-300 air defense systems to Ukraine
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BlueTsunami2018
(3,480 posts)Of course theyll attack them. Who wouldnt?
jimfields33
(15,669 posts)Do we really need to know every detail second by second of what is being done? They could have done this in secret.
relayerbob
(6,536 posts)Or psyops. NATO has been pretty careful about what they say on everything else. These arent leaks, they are press statements, so I wonder how staged there are.
ColinC
(8,277 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/810166-amp.html
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)but if Russia attacked the convoy inside Ukraine, then I highly doubt that NATO would invoke Article 5.
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)I think Putin is actually trying to get NATO involved as an excuse to use nuclear weapons, even if its only tactical ones, and chemical warfare. He will not give up until he is either forced out of office, assassinated, or takes over Ukraine and completes murdering anyone left alive there and bombing all building into rubble. I believe Putin is no longer the cold warriorhe is vindictive because the Ukrainians have thwarted him.
Happy Hoosier
(7,210 posts)But they seem to have trouble finding their own ass with a map and two free hands.
bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)Proceed.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,071 posts)How are they going to target a moving convoy in Eastern Europe.
seta1950
(932 posts)cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)They will certainly try to attack them once on Ukrainian soil, but seeing as how they are struggling to project force more than 30km from their border, I don't foresee them having much luck.
Or to put it another way, if Lavrov is talking, the truth is more-or-less the opposite.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)NATO country list, 2022 >>> https://dmerharyana.org/nato-countries-list/
James48
(4,426 posts)Maybe they will just wait until the shipment is physically moving, and theyll hit it the moment it crosses into the Ukrainian border.
I really wish we could/would do more to help Ukraine.
ColinC
(8,277 posts)The head of NATO has been very clear about that.
https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/810166-amp.html
No- attacking NATO TERRITORY is what triggers article 5- NOT shipments of NATO weapons inside the war zone.
Weapons are fair game once they cross into Ukraine.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)Jus sayin'.
ColinC
(8,277 posts)The speech in its'context very strongly implied NATO will get involved if their shipments were attacked. Whether this is an empty threat is another story, but they at least claimed an attack on any NATO forces (inside or outside territory) would be seen as an attack on NATO.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)they're fair game, as in any war, you try to interdict the enemy's supply line, but I suspect that this convoy will be heavily defended with SAM's and Javelin AAM's.
ColinC
(8,277 posts)In any context. And the Secretary General's statement seemed to indicate that even attack on NATO forces would be a clear military escalation. Whatever that means.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)then it's war, but it won't be NATO troops moving or operating those S-300's, it'll be Ukrainian troops.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)nuke card as he invades other non-NATO countries. I think his bluff needs to be called just as JFK did with the Cuban missile crisis. Putin is not going to back down, he does not negotiate in good faith and he's on a Stalin mission. All a bad combination. I know everyone is doing a lot, but somehow I think a no-fly zone needs to be established.
Emrys
(7,216 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Time fof more threats in 3, 2, 1...
Baitball Blogger
(46,676 posts)Decoy convoys wouldn't hurt either.
FalloutShelter
(11,828 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)a tool and knew it. What a howdy-doody...
multigraincracker
(32,632 posts)calimary
(81,085 posts)What a slap in the face. FUCK YOU, donald. Youve already made clear whose side youre on. Too bad the GOP is so desperate and hungry for power that theyll probably climb back in bed with you again. A shame for all of America.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,249 posts)they need to replenish their stocks.
i say give it to them, they'll put those AAM's to excellent use.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,983 posts)They have a knack for picking fights they can't win
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)#GreatMinds
C_U_L8R
(44,983 posts)barbtries
(28,756 posts)#SaveUkraine #EndPutin
ashredux
(2,598 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Send it.
CaptainTruth
(6,572 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,824 posts)Sergey Lapdog is just another Russian phony tough guy bullshit artist scumbag.
Fuck him repeatedly with a crooked red-hot piece of rusty rebar. I say, ship 'em!
red hot! To hell with these barbarians and that person interviewing him.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)As Qanon keep saying, where we go one, we go all.
If Russia does anything, it will be to hit it with airstrikes as soon as it crosses the border into Ukraine.
marmar
(77,049 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,789 posts)Here he is in the Oval Office, standing behind his favorite President.
paleotn
(17,876 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,789 posts)President Trump gestures to Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, as he speaks to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office on Wednesday, May 10, 2017. (Alexander Shcherbak/TASS/Getty Images)
I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to The Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off.
"I'm not under investigation," he added.
Sources (Thank TASS):
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527755991/trump-meets-with-russias-lavrov-at-the-white-house-today
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-nut-job-james-comey-russia-2017-5
Waybackwhen: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212103467
I had to come back
Aviation Pro
(12,117 posts)Standing next to Lavorov?
Kid Berwyn
(14,789 posts)The biggest ever passed.
paleotn
(17,876 posts)That would require interdiction within a NATO country, triggering Article 5. He's bluffing.
Aviation Pro
(12,117 posts)What the fuck are you going to do about it, you fucking, criminal douchebag?
ColinC
(8,277 posts)If Ukraine gets those missiles, Russia may very well withdraw.
Gore1FL
(21,095 posts)It won't go well.
KS Toronado
(17,138 posts)you to send any fuel, food, or ammo to your Russian troops inside UKR.
And if you cross that line, I've got some free polonium tea for you.
bringthePaine
(1,727 posts)turbinetree
(24,683 posts)Army.......problem solved asshole......maybe you can have a joke with your orange hair fucking buddy like old times...did I mention by the way, there is a new sheriff in town if you didn't get the message.....
dchill
(38,433 posts)lees1975
(3,839 posts)Wasn't the Slovak President one of those who got through to Kyiv and back home just a few days ago?
CanonRay
(14,080 posts)Hoping if they put up their chest we will back down and not send them.
musclecar6
(1,684 posts)Lavrov says theres no such thing !?!?!?! This guy reminds me of TFFG. Obviously Russia has no such thing as an independent media, so in total TFFG fashion, that dipshit accuses us of the thing Russia is guilty of. Hey it works over here where TFFG has been getting away with that shit for years, so it looks like they took a page out TFFGs conman handbook unless its likely also in the KGBs conman handbook.
Course us Dems have no problem seeing thru conmen and the GOP wolfs down this kind of bullshit like its absolute fact. Perfect foils for Russias megalomaniac psychopath as well as our own orange version.
Mr.Bill
(24,228 posts)It means they are very afraid of them.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,544 posts)I mean, the S-300 is an air defense system, after all.
peggysue2
(10,819 posts)The city is very close to the border where I understand there's been an open corridor for refugees and supplies. Of course, those far west targets also increase the danger of missiles being lobbed over Poland's border.
Then it really gets hairy. For everyone.
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,558 posts)...to be delivered to its enemy or deployed by them? On Slovakia's part....I guess they thought there was some deterrent value in making this statement publicly. A mere foot back from the precipice for a NATO country to be making such statements. If Russia attacks convoys of said materiel while they're on Slovakian soil, in theory, NATO is in this war.
I'd love to see Ukraine get some effective air defense, but I shudder at the thought of all of NATO joining this fight. Russia should also shudder, and the rest of the world as well, but for different reasons.
And, finally, where are the anti-artillery batteries that were being talked about recently. If Ukraine gets these two systems deployed and effective, the Russian war effort is in even more
serious jeopardy.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)Just send over some aircraft and the missiles will find them.