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Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:06 AM

An example of racism from the so-called "far left."


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The first response is right on target. I know many people are frustrated that the Democratic Party isn't progressive enough. But the problem I see with some of the alternatives - such as the Democratic Socialists - is that the very real lived experience of black and brown people is ignored and even - as in this case - mocked by white people who consider themselves "progressive."

Do better. Be better. Even this older white woman knows that discrimination against black people for the way they choose to wear their hair is real. And it's deeply racist.

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Reply An example of racism from the so-called "far left." (Original post)
yardwork Mar 2022 OP
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highplainsdem Mar 2022 #3
yardwork Mar 2022 #8
bigtree Mar 2022 #24
Celerity Mar 2022 #52
AntivaxHunters Mar 2022 #37
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #11
highplainsdem Mar 2022 #12
Hortensis Mar 2022 #44
Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2022 #20
yardwork Mar 2022 #21
msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #69
betsuni Mar 2022 #27
bigtree Mar 2022 #29
sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #4
yardwork Mar 2022 #7
JohnSJ Mar 2022 #9
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PatSeg Mar 2022 #10
Hortensis Mar 2022 #45
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maxsolomon Mar 2022 #13
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:13 AM

1. Julie needs an education.

Historically, Black women carried seeds in their hair when they ran away.



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Response to old as dirt (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:14 AM

2. Yes, Julie is - I'm sorry to say - a privileged twit.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:25 AM

5. I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Emma Goldman

"If I can't dance, then I don't want to be in your revolution."

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:23 AM

3. Look at Julie's pinned tweet. She has an attitude problem and is foolishly proud of it.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:37 AM

8. That's DSA's mission statement, more or less.

They can't figure out why they're having trouble recruiting Black people.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 03:28 PM

24. this is a lie

...no DSA legislator is opposed to this legislation, and that's not their mission statement in any shape or form. The bullshit here is deep and offensive.

This is despicable. Here you are trying to alienate 'Black people' from the organization based on something someone said on the internet. You're leveraging an anonymous tweet to try and pretend Democratic Socialists are in favor of hair discrimination, pretending they're opposed to the bill.

Just nonsense. Find ONE Democratic socialists in Congress opposed to this bill.

AOC, Cori Bush...? Not a one.

I can't think of anything Democratic Socialists in Congress have done which is more alienating within the party than making up stuff and using that to try and alienate 'Black people' from what have been stalwart Democrats and supporters, including our Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.

Stop using black people for this phony screed of yours.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:35 PM

37. You might want to type DSA into

...........Twitter search.

Because there is a whole lot of stuff happening right now this very moment.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:39 AM

11. "I'm in it for my own material gains...I'm a Marxist"

Someone needs to read the Communist Manifesto…

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:44 AM

12. No kidding. She doesn't remotely qualify as a socialist.

Sounds like a selfish opportunist to me.

And one with an attitude problem, which I guess would go with being a selfish opportunist (though some selfish opportunists are smart enough not to go around announcing to the world that they're in it for their own material gains).

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:10 PM

44. Sounds more libertarian. As for "liberal," I'd as soon ask MT Greene

what she thinks that is as ask this person. I'm very sure both don't know what I am and am not interested in inviting their shit slinging.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 02:39 PM

20. Julie says that she's NOT a liberal in that tweet.

So that settles that.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 03:09 PM

21. Exactly. She's a Democratic Socialist.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:38 AM

69. Well then, that explains all we need to know.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 04:24 PM

27. They think the vast majority of Americans are secretly socialists who will rise up

in solidarity against the 1% (including Republican voters who vote that way because of economic anxiety caused by Democrats ignoring the working class). Alliance of left wing and right wing populists. The Will of the People. They yearn for true progressives saviors to lead them in revolution but the evil corrupt Democratic establishment will stop at nothing to prevent this (rigged! Status quo!). Liberals are the true roadblock to progress, Democrats trick people into voting for them with identity politics. The party must be purified and transformed.

That's why they get so mad when they lose elections. Inconceivable! They know the Will of the People and are right. Has to be rigging and bribing by the establishment.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:24 AM

4. Who the hell is Julie?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:31 AM

7. Julie's rose icon identifies her as a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

And while her tweet is not an official statement from DSA, it might as well be. DSA is angry that their preferred candidate didn't win in that district, so they're going after the black woman who did win. Along the way, Julie exposes herself as being totally clueless about actual racism. And entitled. Julie is very entitled.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:56 AM

9. Thanks, that was my question also

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Response to yardwork (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 03:09 PM

22. That's exactly what I thought of

when I read Poor Julie in the basement's hateful words..

💙💛

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:27 AM

6. Ah Basement Marxists...are there any other kind? lol nt

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:25 AM

10. Thank goodness Shontel Brown

won that seat and not Nina Turner.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:12 PM

45. +1000. The district's voters did good.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:34 PM

48. Yes, she is pretty impressive

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:37 PM

49. yeah, but Turner supports this bill

...pointing up how much bullshit is in this thread.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:12 AM

56. I was actually commenting about

how poised and persuasive Shontel Brown was speaking in congress. I found her very impressive, a far cry from Turner's angry yelling. I should have been clearer as I'm sure Turner would have supported the bill as well.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:55 AM

64. Turner is likely where she is (outside Congress)

...because she lacks the professionalism and poise of Shontel Brown and others in that institution.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:49 AM

72. Yes, I think so

Turner's abrasive personality is a poor fit for Congress or pretty much any political office. She certainly wasn't good for the Democratic party. I remember her from years ago when she was a state senator. Whenever she appeared on TV, I had to turn the volume sound. She was absolutely exhausting.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:33 AM

79. I would never vote for Turner in a primary. She is not a Democrat. And I got a good look at

the trailer she was sporting before here in Ohio...covered with insults to Biden and to Democrats in general.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:27 PM

13. I don't know what her issue with Brown's proposed Act is.

I could speculate, but knee jerk reactions like this are a dime a dozen on social media.

My observation would be that Brown's proposal will go nowhere, like most bills, because the Senate exists.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 01:01 PM

15. If Democrats obtain a stronger majority, this bill would pass.

Anyway, Brown is doing her job for her constituents.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 01:06 PM

16. Yes. Dems would need 60 votes in the Senate.

61 if Manchin is still there.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:14 AM

51. It isn't Brown's Act, it was introduced by Bonnie Watson Coleman over 7 months before Brown was

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Response to Celerity (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 08:32 AM

53. But Julie chose a clip of Shontel Brown to mock the bill.

Why is that, do you think?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #53)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:22 AM

58. Julie is a rando twitter troll, I could not care less what she thinks

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Response to Celerity (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:25 AM

60. I really don't think she is. Read her twitter feed.

Her beliefs are pretty typical of DSA folks I know in real life.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:40 AM

61. you don't actually know who 'Julie' is

...but you're posted her bull here with the unsupported claim that some DSA supporter somewhere agrees with her.

For all you know, she's a Russian troll.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:59 AM

65. Do not think she is what? A troll? She is. She may well even be a RWer cosplaying Marxist radical

for max divisiveness. Pro trolls are often never direct, they operate via misdirection.

Every single House member of the Squad and the extended Squad (the 2020 and 2022 special election newcomers), plus Ro Khanna and the Progressive Caucus Leader, Pramila Jayapal, were co-sponsors of the CROWN Act

so anyone trying join them at the hip with the twitter troll Julie picked a bad example

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2116/cosponsors

Rep. Pressley, Ayanna [D-MA-7]
Rep. Omar, Ilhan [D-MN-5]
Rep. Khanna, Ro [D-CA-17]
Rep. Bush, Cori [D-MO-1]
Rep. Bowman, Jamaal [D-NY-16]
Rep. Jones, Mondaire [D-NY-17]
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria [D-NY-14]
Rep. Tlaib, Rashida [D-MI-13]
Rep. Jayapal, Pramila [D-WA-7]
Rep. Cherfilus-McCormick, Sheila [D-FL-20] recently elected ( January 11, 2022) new House member, endorsed by Brand New Congress

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Response to Celerity (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:44 AM

71. Only you and one or two others keep trying to link elected officials with this tweet.

Nowhere have I said that. In fact, I've pointed out that most or all of these folks ran as Democrats, supported by the Democratic Party. This effort to link my OP with elected officials is missing the point.

If you would read my OP again, and follow the link I face to the twitter thread - noting the first response, as I pointed to - you might see what I'm trying to say here.

to;dr
The tweet by a self-described member of Democratic Socialists of America reveals an entitled, white-centric cluelessness about an important issue affecting millions of Americans of color. The tweeter's making a point of mocking Shontel Brown - who, as you pointed out, didn't even introduce this bill! - suggests ongoing sour grapes about the loss of DSA's preferred candidate in Brown's district.

As a far-left liberal progressive with many socialist ideals, who admires young people who are standing up to many problems inherent in our nation's structure, I deplore the casual, clueless racism in this tweet. It undermines solidarity. We must do better.

I really don't know why this is controversial.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:28 AM

78. You know that this is meant as a windup against a certain group of elected Dems, as if there

were no elected Dems linked to the DSA (and other posters are now dragging in BNC, WFP, and JD) no one would give a rat's red arse about what some tiny, twisted, anonymous rando troll is tweeting on the net.

What makes it truly a poor comparison is that all of the elected House Dems trying to be linked to Julie via inference not only voted for the CROWN Act, but were co-sponsors of it, and are all people of colour.

That troll account in no way is speaking for them at all.

That said, I am not a DSA fangirl at all, so my words have an extra level of validity, as I have ripped the DSA for years here and think that the 4 (it was only 2 until 2020) DSA-endorsed House members (AOC, who I love, Tlaib,(who I actually want to see defeated in the primary), and then the two new ones (who I like) Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman) should cut all ties with the DSA.

None of the 4 are socialists, democratic or otherwise, as I have explained for going on 4 years now. No elected US Congressperson is, not even Bernie. None of them believes in the state appropriation of the means of production, which is a core tenet of socialism. It is a self-inflicted mistake for them call themselves something they are not, especially in reactionary America, and opens up our parry to be falsely framed by RW stooges. They are all just bog standard social democrats. Actual socialists here in the UK and Sweden that I know very well laugh at their calling themselves democratic socialists.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:40 AM

81. That's a pretty strong accusation, you're making here.

In this thread I've been called a liar repeatedly, and you and one other also keep accusing me of doing something I'm not doing. (Apparently I'm a "liar" because I won't admit to the nefarious intent of which you accuse me. I've stated several times that this isn't my intent, but you keep saying it is. Tedious.)

Next, you acknowledge having your own concerns with DSA! I guess your concerns are pure but mine are lies?

I invite you to read my posting history here and find any criticism on my part of any but one of the supposed members of DSA in Congress. I'm actually a big fan of AOC. Yes, my criticism of Bernie Sanders is a matter of record. I deplore, for example, his allowing his delegates to boo John Lewis at the 2016 DNC. But all this is beside the point because my post had nothing to do with elected officials who ran as Democratic candidates - including Bernie!

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Response to yardwork (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:47 AM

85. in a nutshell

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Response to bigtree (Reply #85)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:49 AM

87. Yea, thank you. You're finally getting it!

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Response to yardwork (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:53 AM

89. I never called you a liar, that is a flat out false smear of me.

I am also my own poster, I will not be held accountable for something anyone else does or does not do.

I just searched the entire thread, and the word liar is only used twice, just now, by you.



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Response to Celerity (Reply #89)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:55 AM

91. You didn't search very well, and I didn't say you were the one calling me a liar.

You're intent on accusing me of things I'm not doing.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #91)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:04 PM

94. yes you did (and the search function is working fine, which is why I made the snapshot)



and




You are trying to falsely conflate another poster's actions with me as well.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #95)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:13 PM

98. again you are trying to conflate me with another poster, you accused me of calling or inferring that

you are a liar, which I NEVER did.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #98)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:16 PM

101. Reread my post.

I stated that I've been called a liar repeatedly in this thread - which I've proven - AND I stated that you and another poster keep accusing me of having a nefarious secret agenda against duly elected Democratic officials.

Both are demonstrably true statements. The evidence is right here in the thread.

You have misconstrued my meaning and won't admit it.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #101)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:21 PM

103. re-read my snapshots of your own words, they infer that I called you a liar, which I did not do






Go have a go at actual person who did what you are trying to say I did via conflation with that other poster.

They are the one saying you are posting lies.

I never said that.

Leave me out of it, please.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #103)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:22 PM

104. Did you alert on the posts calling me a liar?

Just curious.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #104)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:40 PM

106. What?? No I did not. Now you are delving into forum moderation with me? This is way out of bounds

and against TOS.

Done here.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #95)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:14 PM

100. it was a lie

...the words of that rando tweeter are not 'DSA's mission statement, more or less.'

And this statement, "They can't figure out why they're having trouble recruiting Black people," is demagoguery at its worst, trying to alienate black people from this org based on an anonymous tweeter's opinion, with the truth being that ALL the elected members of DSA are against hair discrimination.

False accusations about DSA, and projecting those to 'Black people.'

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Response to Celerity (Reply #94)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:07 PM

96. You missed this one too:

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Response to yardwork (Reply #96)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:14 PM

99. please stop trying to use another poster's posts against me, I never did what you accused me of nt

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Response to Celerity (Reply #99)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:20 PM

102. You accused me of having a secret agenda against Democratic officials.

You are intent on insisting that my OP is about Democratic officials when I've stated over and over that it's about DSA and how they'd better get their act together if they want to be anything but a fringe group that helps elect Republicans.

I won't apologize for pointing out racism in socialist circles because I'm a strong supporter of socialist ideals myself. I want them to do better. I think you may have missed that point.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #102)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:33 PM

105. Other posters on here have slated the elected Dems who are DSA endorsed, via inference and

other rhetorical means, and expanded it to the other orgs (WFP, JD, BNC) that are often attacked in tandem with DSA.

There are elected Dems (4 of them, I already listed them) who were endorsed by the DSA. Of course they will be slated once an attack (legitimate in this case against that twitter troll, who is a POS) is made that mentions DSA. The only way it will likely not happen is if you had said (in your OP) that you were not talking about elected Dems, especially as ALL of them not only voted for the CROWN Act but also were co-sponsors.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:45 AM

83. Personally, I think she is a fucking racist...mocking Shontel that way...go away Julie this is

why your shitty party will never be worth a damn...because deep down you and yours are racist scum. You hide your true feelings with your fake so-called far-left politics and long intellectually bankrupt screeds about 'identity politics and why we must abandon them. Sorry, you are no God damn liberal of any sort. And Julie you have more in common with Strom Thurmond than any Democrat.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:35 AM

80. Which is why I completely dislike them and wish they would drop 'Democratic' from their name.

They are not Democrats and never were.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #80)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:43 AM

82. um

...

Sanders cites American icons in defense of ‘democratic socialism’
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialist-speech/index.html

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Response to bigtree (Reply #82)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:46 AM

84. That doesn't impress me. Sen. Sanders has his good points I suppose, but he is not and never has

been a Democrat.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #82)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:59 AM

92. FDR wasn't a democratic socialist. Sanders needed to convince people that the "roots" of

the Democratic Party are democratic socialism (because everyone knew he had said he was a socialist and he was running as a Democrat), that he could lead the party that supposedly shifted to the right since the 90s and had the same economic policies as Republicans back to those roots, unlike the corrupt Democratic establishment. Why his supporters began calling themselves "FDR Democrats" as if the Democratic Party's usual liberal goals weren't the same as FDRs. FDR was a liberal Democrat, a capitalist, elite establishment.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:39 PM

14. so-called 'far left is a canard invented by the extremist right to wedge Dems against each other

...you took this person, Julie, who's profile says she's a 'Marxist' and made a broad brushed smear against the 'left.'

This is really just a slam on progressives, 'Democratic Socialists' like Bernie,' behind supposed concern over this legislation. More screeds in this thread about 'Democratic Socialists' than one word about the substance of the legislation. Where is the Democratic left on this? They're voting for the bill!

No one needs this shit any more than this nonsense complaint against hair discrimination legislation.

I'd remind everyone that the most prominent Democratic Socialist' is the head of the Senate Budget Committee, very much a mainstream Democrat, if not in name.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 01:08 PM

17. DSA themselves define their movement as different from the Democratic Party.

This happened to show up on my twitter feed precisely because I follow a lot of left-wing progressives. This is just one example, yes, but it's a good illustration of a broad problem. That is reflected in the many responses to Julie's tweet - written by people who are themselves quite progressive.

"The left" - of which I consider myself a part - must confront our tendency toward entitlement and white-centricity. Until we do and reform our approach, we will continue to lose elections to Republicans and Democrats like Manchin.

That's my opinion. You have yours.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 01:35 PM

18. on and on about Democratic Socialists because of an anonymous woman on the internet

....and no actual support or discussion about the actual legislation.

Like I said, look at the DS folks who are in the House (and Senate) and tell me how Democratic Socialists threaten this legislation.

Tlaib? Ocasio-Cortez? Cori Bush? Jamaal Bowman? Bernie?

Get real. The op is a canard.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:06 PM

32. I think all the representatives you mention ran as Democrats.

They're Democrats with socialist ideals. Like me.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:44 PM

50. the ones I listed identify as Democratic socialists

...and are the ONLY Democratic Socialists in Congress.

But here you are lying about Democratic Socialists supposedly opposing this bill.

For all you know, that poster you're representing as the entirety of Democratic Socialists is nothing but a sock puppet put there to elicit just this kind of distortion and divisiveness.

I'm sure that's the twitter's point, this kind of trolling lost on so many here who jump onboard to attack stalwart Democrats from solidly Democratic districts with this absolute and obvious demagoguery.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 06:53 PM

40. What actual legislation are you talking about?

and no actual support or discussion about the actual legislation.

Tweets and slogans does no a bill make.

Like I said, look at the DS folks who are in the House (and Senate) and tell me how Democratic Socialists threaten this legislation.


They vote against it.

Please link to the written legislation that you speak of. As far as I have read they have not written any legislation themselves.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 03:27 PM

23. Julie in the basement Slams herself..

with her own hateful words.

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Response to Cha (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:55 PM

39. Julie's comment makes no sense. I'm thinking it's a Russian bot/troll

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 08:35 AM

54. If I hadn't heard Julie's approach from numerous DSA folks I know in real life, I would assume that.

It's very enlightening to read the entire twitter thread I linked. The responses tell a story, and it's one that those of us who want to see an expansion of Democratic socialism need to heed. We ignore this problem at our peril.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #54)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:04 AM

55. DSA, Our Revolution, Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, Working Families Party

all say the same things.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 03:32 PM

25. +1,

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Response to bigtree (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:31 PM

36. Sometimes it seems like division is the goal

Hopefully I am wrong

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:44 PM

38. If it's divisive to point out entitled racism, so be it.

We MUST do better. I'm a Democrat with socialist ideals, and if we don't point out the racism who will?

Seriously, who will?

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:55 AM

90. The destruction of the Democratic Party via division is the goal...then I suppose they get their

so-called never happening 'revolution'. It is because of folks like them and of course the Republican fascists that women in Alabama will likely have to take pregnancy tests before receiving legal medical Marijuana, and women in Missouri are told they can't leave the state to have an abortion that regardless of where they are Missouri laws apply to them, some states want to put women to death for having an abortion and are attempting to pass laws to do this, and make no mistake, they are going after birth control. As this Twitter post shows...they deliberately try to cost Democrats elections thus enabling Republican fascists.

These folks opine often how Identity politics must be abandoned...particularly civil rights IE the fight against racism (understandable with her flaming racism on full display). They also don't give two damns about woman's rights and LGBTQ rights. To say I loathe these folks would be an understatement. They do nothing that helps anyone other than Republicans. And when I see this stupid twit who is a member of a so-called party that has played a role in destroying human rights in this county by encouraging Democrats to vote for useless third-party candidates that cost us elections which include the 16 presidential elections, it infuriates me. And now Julie thinks she is so clever with her catty undermining of real Democrats like Shontel Brown...I just despise her.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #90)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:02 PM

93. This is harsh, but there's a lot of truth in your post.

It's why I reacted strongly when this twitter thread showed up in my feed. It's just such a blatant example of the clueless entitled foolishness.

Why some DUers are intent on seeing this as a slam on elected officials who ran on the Democratic Party platform which DSA vows to destroy - is beyond me.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #93)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:58 PM

107. You are right...they hate Democrats more than Republicans in my opinion. And my response is harsh.

I really do dislike them as much as Republicans. I feel betrayed by them...that they are traitors somehow. And by the way, I do not include Sen. Sanders in this condemnation. I may not always see eye to eye with him, but he is nothing like Julie.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 02:29 PM

19. Recommend

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 04:12 PM

26. Probably lots of white people like her...

... don't even know that, for example, some black students have been expelled from school for having cornrows, braids or head scarves.

It's pretty mind-blowing to me that any school would even have such a policy, but it's indeed real.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:04 PM

31. And businesses! People fired or marginalized at work.

All because they won't hide their ethnic identity and make their hair "look white" - whatever that means, anyway.

It's the epitome of racism.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 04:27 PM

28. You use a single poster on social media as an example to smear an entire group

India Walton is DSA and she was compared to David Duke.

There is an OP from a centrist at DU complaining about social issues & identity politics and how we need to appeal to rural folks.

I see racism from all sides but it is mainly a white thing.

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Response to AZProgressive (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:02 PM

30. Ehhhh.... if this were an anomaly I wouldn't mention it.

Julie has the rose avatar and Julie sounds like a number of rank and file DSA members I know in real life. The organization doesn't like Democrats and they take it to extremes, as in this example.

And the folks in Congress who call themselves "DSA" are registered Democrats. They're like me - Democrats with socialist ideals. And I don't mind pointing out where we - as white people, as socialists, as Democrats - need to do better.

Is anyone here seriously arguing with that? That white people of all political organizations need to do better, much better?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:08 PM

33. The only local DSA I know is Brianna Westbrook

Who is Vice Chair of the Arizona Democratic Party who is a transgender. I don’t know her personally but that is the only DSA I know in Arizona.

I think most of us are people are like that—registered Democrats with Socialist ideas. I understand what you’re saying, I disagree with a lot of Rose avatars and agree that people need to do better.

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Response to AZProgressive (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:20 PM

35. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Sounds like we mostly agree.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 05:10 PM

34. A random person on Twitter! The. Horror.

Do you really want anyone going around, finding a rando on the internet, and explaining to everyone that that's the problem with whatever group they're trying to smear?

You don't think that couldn't - and isn't - done with our community?

I think a LGBTer should know a lot better than this one, given how much this tactic is used against us.

This is just sad and whelming.

The virulently anti-Left sentiment has been pretty quiet 'round these parts of late. Guess it needed stirring up?



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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:22 PM

41. Like saying "No ifs, buts, or maybes" this is an issue BUT it's distracting from the REAL

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issues affecting working families, working class (repeat "working families" several more times). Typical.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:47 PM

42. "Julie's" farther left supports previous Sanders attack dog Nina Turner. 'Nuf said?

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It's not just DSA, and there are some decent, thoughtful people still there even after the others flooded in during the 2016 election period. But the others! If you're not 110% with those people, whether LW authoritarians, populists, or ideological extremists, you're the enemy.

(Remember the vicious swiftboating they did on Hillary? Their attacks on John Lewis and other AA just because they endorsed the other candidate, on pro abortion and labor groups just because they endorsed the other candidate? The Bernie Bros and swarming of victims on social media? The "Lock her up!," near riots at state conventions, and attempted election thefts? The constant use of outside big money to try to influence and subvert local elections? On and on.)

Where they are, and can't win because they're always too few (NOT 99%!), the shit flies. As here. SOP.

Meanwhile, Shontel Brown is rated #1 most progressive member of congress by Progressive Punch. She's doing a very good job. The real thing! And her list of impressive endorsements for reelection gets appropriately longer and more impressive every week.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:14 PM

46. Nina Turner supports the Crown Act though




I’m haven’t donated to her for this cycle because Brown is a cosponsor of M4A and is a member of the Progressive Caucus but Turner supporters if they support her support the Crown Act.

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Response to AZProgressive (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:34 PM

47. :) I would think so. But I'm addressing the election and the

routinely vicious and dishonest attack dog tactics a lot of these people use to try to take out opponents. It's not okay. Also their extreme intolerance for any viewpoint but their own and inability to compromise to achieve common goals. Turner's famous slip expressed the feelings of many too far left and right to be represented by liberal Democrats and far too few (mercifully) to reflect the views of typical constituencies.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:55 PM

43. The Crown Act is a good and needed bill

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:15 AM

57. Persecuting anyone because of their hairstyle is archaic, Puritan like stupidity.

All real progressives, and all reasonable people, innately understand this.

RW trolls posing as progressives on the internet....not so much.

Progressive:

a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #57)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:24 AM

59. Reading her twitter feed, I doubt Julie is a troll.

Her point of view - with its many complexities and some contradictions - is characteristic of many folks I know in DSA.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #59)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:46 AM

62. you've used a random twitter troll

...to troll DSA with something no DSA legislator in Congress would dare support.

Most of the DSA members in Congress are people of color, but you're pushing this obvious lie that DSA supports hair discrimination because a poster on twitter said something.

This is not only a despicable attermpt to trigger resentment in 'Black people' (in your own posted reply above) against DSA, including stalwart Democrats in Congress who identify as DSA supporters, and the Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, it completely ignores ANY substance of the actual initiative you're complaining this woman threatens.

What a performance. Did you think no one would notice that this is just a biased, false screed against DSA, callously leveraging concerns over workplace discrimination against black women (esp) and men to make this smear of DSA?

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Response to bigtree (Reply #62)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:06 AM

66. all of the Squad and DSA members of of the House were co-sponsors of the CROWN Act

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Response to Celerity (Reply #66)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:16 AM

67. if that wasn't obvious

...to anyone who knows most of DSA are people of color.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:31 AM

68. Every single DSA-endorsed elected US House member in history has been a person of colour, except

one, David Bonior, who has not been in the House since January 3, 2003, as he retired.

Rashida Tlaib Michigan MI-13 since 2019
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez New York NY-14 since 2019
Cori Bush Missouri MO-1 since 2021
Jamaal Bowman New York NY-16 since 2021
Danny K. Davis Illinois IL-7 since 1997
John Conyers Michigan MI-1, MI-14, MI-13 1965–2017
Ron Dellums California CA-9 1971–1998
David Bonior Michigan MI-12, MI-10 1977–2003
Major Owens New York NY-12, NY-11 1983–2007

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Response to bigtree (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:42 AM

70. Opposite. DSA website: "Within DSA, many members feel that our organization is 'too white,'

a shorthand that includes many diagnoses of and solutions to the problem." Efforts have "not yet brought working class people of color into the organization at the scale needed to qualitatively change the makeup of DSA."

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Response to bigtree (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:49 AM

73. That will be news to DSA!

I don't think you know anybody who actually belongs to a DSA chapter.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #73)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:20 AM

75. there are countless randos on twitter with an opinion about something

...their tweets represent them, not anyone else.

And, "I know a lot of DSA supporters," isn't an example of anything but the opinion of some rando people you say you know.

More significant and representative of DSA's opinion about hair discrimination would be the actual people identifying as DSA in Congress, not some random, anonymous posters on the internet.

No black person should regard an anonymous tweet as DSA policy, doctrine, or anything else. Trying to push that absurdity (as you did in a response above) is the worst kind of politics, using an issue that you can't be bothered to discuss in such a demagogic manner, and directing that at 'Black people' is disgusting.

(and I don't know who needs to hear this, but I'm only affiliated with, and support the Democratic Party, not any political splinter group or org. Never have, never will.)

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Response to yardwork (Reply #59)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:13 AM

74. OK. That's fair.

Institutionalized racism, misogyny. homophobia, transphobia, etc still exist in the consciousnesses of some among the entire spectrum of the left, from the Tulsi Gabbard/Joe Manchin types, right on down to the hard core communists, in some individuals.

Still, I am distrustful of anyone who lacks the basic compassionate empathy and sensitivity that permits them to be motivated to obstruct voting rights of minorities, or dismiss, as unimportant, the very real harm caused by the stupidity of persecuting people because of their hairstyle.

I would say that this basic lack of compassionate empathy and sensitivity are near universal features of the RW, and relatively uncommon bugs among the left, and are equally as prevalent among the center left as among the DSA.

One thing is for certain, we must unite, and remain united, against every and all aspects of the fascism and fascist intolerance that crawled out from under its rock, and has been rotting the heart and soul of our country, since the coronation of the MAGAT King.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #74)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:21 AM

76. This follow-up tweet in the thread is an example.

I really don't mean to be picking on this one tweeter, but it's just a perfect example of the issue. Too many white progressives view institutional racism as a non-problem, something of lesser importance than economic concerns. However, for people of color, institutionalized racism is a very real and constant threat to their well-being.


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Response to yardwork (Reply #76)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:25 AM

77. And my follow up example would be Manchin, et al, obstructing President Biden's agenda.nt

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:48 AM

86. Manchin is a horrible human being. He's hopeless.

I understand why so many young people, especially, despair of the Democratic Party. They're staking out a new approach. HOWEVER, their approach is carrying some age-old problems right into the heart of their strategy.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #76)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:53 AM

88. Isn't all of that being dealt with via the infrastructure bill?

I know that removing all the lead water pipes is part of it. Julie is a Basement Crackpot apparently missed that.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #88)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 01:15 PM

109. But it's not EVERY pipe: "The cost to replace every lead pipe in the United States is

$45-60 billion. BIF only give $15b." Maybe an all or nothing thing.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:52 AM

63. People born with tightly curled hair should have their hair styles professionally respected

No one should be forced to put harsh chemicals against their scalp on a regular basis to be thought acceptable.

Conversely, I also think anyone should be able to dye their hair sky blue pink if they want.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 01:03 PM

108. K&R...sometimes I forget...thanks for the post.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2022, 07:13 PM

110. The USAF has been out in front of this issue. The regs covering grooming standards for POC and women

Have been restructured so that it won't cost more time or money for anyone have an in regulation" Professional Appearance" than it does white men.

The details are way more involved of course, but that is the 10 second explanation

The CROWN Act is an important step, honestly decades overdue, in normalizing AA people and other POC in professional settings

ETA: Julie is a racist POS. Just to be clear

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2022, 08:39 PM

111. Wearing one's hair in its natural state shouldn't be a punishable offense, but in 2022 if you are Bl

I really like Symone Sanders



My experience isn’t unique, so I was elated when a movement in support of creating a respectful and open world for natural hair — known as the Crown Act — began to sweep the country, where it has won approval in more than a dozen states. I was even more elated when the U.S. House of Representatives passed such legislation Friday. The act would prohibit discrimination based on natural and protective hairstyles associated with people of African descent, including hair that is tightly coiled or tightly curled or worn as locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots and Afros.

On Feb. 28, when Democrats attempted to pass the Crown Act using a fast-track process that required the support of two-thirds of the chamber, Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, said he was opposed to the bill based on his belief that hair-based discrimination is already unlawful and because, he said, there were more important things Congress should be doing.

Jordan made a similar point during Friday morning’s debate when he said, “I hope we can actually focus on the things that matter to the American people,” which led Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, to remind him that “Black people are American people, too.”.....

We need the Senate to send the message that a woman who wears her hair as I wear mine shouldn’t be presumed to be unskilled or unprofessional and that, contrary to Representative Jordan’s dismissive remarks, this is an issue that Americans face and that Americans want addressed.

CORRECTION (MARCH 21,2022 12:06 p.m. E.T.) A previous version of this article misstated that no Republicans supported the Crown Act. While none voted to allow its consideration, 15 supported its final passage




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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:30 PM

112. Black people should be able to wear their hair any way they want to...

and like me as a white woman when I had long hair tie it back if I had to for various safety concerns on a job - re long braids, locks, extensions etc

When I lived in Brooklyn and taking the bus from downtown Brooklyn back to my home not too far away I was on a major route where many Black workers, HS, College students etc were heading deeper into - I loved seeing all the various styles they had.

I remember when I was working in the Wall St area this suited Black man had beautiful small braids going down maybe a bit below his waist tied with a leather cord near the end. Elegant.

Love 'fros; full, parted, wild, well trimmed etc

Your choice as it should be be. 👍

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Response to electric_blue68 (Reply #112)

Wed Mar 23, 2022, 07:34 AM

113. What wonderful memories! NYC is so... awesome.

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