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Crunchy Frog

(26,582 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:48 PM Mar 2022

Russians Deporting Mariupol Residents To Camps In Russia.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ti1zzq/russians_are_deporting_mariupol_residents_to/

https://english.nv.ua/nation/invaders-have-been-forcibly-moving-mariupol-residents-to-filtration-camps-in-russia-50226480.html

Invading Russian troops have been deporting Ukrainians to Russia by force, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boychenko has said in a statement.

The invaders illegally removed people from the city's Left Bank district and shelters in the building of the city's sports club, where more than a thousand people (mostly women and children) had been hiding from the constant bombing.

It is known that the captured Mariupol residents were taken to filtration camps, where the invaders checked people's phones and documents.  After the inspection, some Mariupol residents were redirected to remote cities in Russia, the fate of others remains unknown.


More crimes against humanity.
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Russians Deporting Mariupol Residents To Camps In Russia. (Original Post) Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 OP
Kick for visibility Drum Mar 2022 #1
CNN also reporting this. AllyCat Mar 2022 #2
👍 Deuxcents Mar 2022 #8
That's kidnapping - will the world stand for this? Liberty Belle Mar 2022 #3
They're targeting civilians, and it's a major violation of international law Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #7
That was also Hitler's plan for the western Soviet Union... DemocraticPatriot Mar 2022 #30
I think he is doing it Bluesaph Mar 2022 #4
A few possibilities. Igel Mar 2022 #12
Hell the Americans did it to the First Nations. AllyCat Mar 2022 #15
Ok, yes, but not in the 21st century. lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #20
K & R. GP6971 Mar 2022 #5
What century is this? Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #6
This century is really shaping up to massively suck. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #9
Yes. They'll either be jailed, "converted" or killed? Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #10
How much more of this fascist BS are we supposed to tolerate? BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #11
Putin taking lessons from China and the Uyghurs? keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #13
Following the footsteps of Stalin. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #14
My god, what a nightmare PatSeg Mar 2022 #16
Horrifying. No words... chia Mar 2022 #17
And starving them.. pbmus Mar 2022 #18
It's starting to look like genocide. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #19
The UN has to get involved somehow. I don't know enough to know exactly what, but lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #21
Guardian has it now too. AllyCat Mar 2022 #22
How do we rescue them? vercetti2021 Mar 2022 #23
Forcibly relocate people to camps to defeat Nazism IronLionZion Mar 2022 #24
Mariupol is a majority Russian-speaking city close to the Donbas lees1975 Mar 2022 #25
And so China says that this is NATO"S fault right...... turbinetree Mar 2022 #26
Is it time for NATO to step in yet? BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #27
Possible disinformation flamingdem Mar 2022 #28
They are witnesses to war crimes. roamer65 Mar 2022 #29
😡 This SCREAMS they need HELP!! Duppers Mar 2022 #31

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
3. That's kidnapping - will the world stand for this?
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:50 PM
Mar 2022

I wonder who they are kidnapping--anyone at random or could they be targeting Jews or some other group?

I am hard-pressed to think of another war where civilian were removed from their country and taken to the invader's homeland -- except for World War II when Nazi Germany was doing this.

Crunchy Frog

(26,582 posts)
7. They're targeting civilians, and it's a major violation of international law
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:59 PM
Mar 2022

to transfer populations in this manner.

They may be trying to depopulate Ukraine so they can repopulate with Russians.

This was an old Stalinist practice.

We need to make the sanctions even more severe IMO. Really squeeze the hell out of them, and yes, make ordinary Russians really suffer.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,361 posts)
30. That was also Hitler's plan for the western Soviet Union...
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 04:24 AM
Mar 2022

to depopulate it to provide the Germans with more "living space". He wrote about it in 'Mein Kamp' if memory serves correctly.

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
4. I think he is doing it
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:52 PM
Mar 2022

To use them as hostages?

To indoctrinate the ones who they deem worthy to Pro-Russia philosophy.

The ones who don’t make the cut gets the rifle to their head.

Igel

(35,304 posts)
12. A few possibilities.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:10 PM
Mar 2022

One is to clear the territory. But even that was a side benefit.

When you have a "tribe" that's wedded to the land and fights as a unit, you dissolve the unit. Remove it from the land. They have less to fight for, and they're distributed. The Circassians were split up from the Caucasus by the Ottomans for this reason. Stalin did it, but he learned it from history--the Horde and the Ottomans did precisely the same thing.

Stalin moved the Tatars, not to relocate Russians in their place (even if that happened) but for the same reason FDR put West Coast) but not East Coast Japanese(-Americans) in camps. Get unreliable elements away from the front line. The Turks did something similar with Kurds and Syriac Xians.


In this case they also might be intending to use them as a kind of hostage in negotiations later.

It's also possible that Putin's going full-tilt abusive big brother. "I can't let the Russians stay. They'd be assimilated, and that's genocide! So we'll force them to stay Russian to preserve their cultural-ethnic purity." Remember--genocide of Russophones is one of the reasons given for this "special operation".

But I wouldn't rule out that he just wants a photo op. "Look at the grateful people. Yes, that's the Ukrainian hand gesture for 'we're #1!'" Or justification for the numbers--all the evacuees from Khar'kov, Mariupol have wanted (or at least 99% of them) to go back to that muthuh, Russia. At some point you need to have actual people to justify the 10s of thousands of those personally saved by their messiah Putin.

Crunchy Frog

(26,582 posts)
9. This century is really shaping up to massively suck.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:01 PM
Mar 2022

I worry that we're witnessing the start of a full blown genocide.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
10. Yes. They'll either be jailed, "converted" or killed?
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:02 PM
Mar 2022

This is so crazy. How do they think this will work, in the modern age?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
11. How much more of this fascist BS are we supposed to tolerate?
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:06 PM
Mar 2022

Those war criminals must be held accountable for their actions. 😡

lindysalsagal

(20,684 posts)
21. The UN has to get involved somehow. I don't know enough to know exactly what, but
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:02 PM
Mar 2022

he'll just keep stealing people until he's stopped.

lees1975

(3,859 posts)
25. Mariupol is a majority Russian-speaking city close to the Donbas
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:30 PM
Mar 2022

so they must think having freedom-loving people that close to Russian occupied territory is a problem for them. That's what this war is about, that Ukraine enjoys liberty and Russians don't and Putin is afraid that will spread.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
28. Possible disinformation
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:45 AM
Mar 2022

Awaiting confirmation. Putin might want a US reaction, he's after some kind of confrontation.

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