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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNOW I KNOW what was the glorious impetus for the Ukraian flag. Take a look
Today, in a humongous local hospital, visiting a close family member, I got seriously lost in the hallways. I always study the art on the walls, it's second nature. I came across this one, and took the photo.
I explained to the doctor who came along that the reason I took the photo was because they are the state flowers of Ukraine and they exported the most sunflower oil on earth. He did not know, and was really happy to learn. He said his church had gathered $10 000 for Ukraine, and he himself was financially aiding two hospitals there.
He then helped me find my way.
Only later when I showed the photo to my grandson who came for a visit as well, did it dawn on me when he immediately said: this photo shows the origins of their flag.
Enjoy:
Deuxcents
(18,319 posts)I heard the expression of sky and wheat for the flag of Ukraine. Beautiful picture...
Donkees
(31,907 posts)Walleye
(33,719 posts)Donkees
(31,907 posts)LymphocyteLover
(6,197 posts)also the LA Rams colors
Walleye
(33,719 posts)DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Wheat is the most common crop. Open blue sky is sometimes overwhelming.
Guess we should start calling Kansas Little Ukraine.
deminks
(11,196 posts)From the area now Ukraine. Turkey red wheat. Kansas has many links to Ukraine.
Red wheat also called winter wheat was brought by Volga Germans and the Ukraine Mennonites. Unfortunately, mixed in with the wheat was Russian thistle, more commonly known as the tumbleweed.
If those immigrants had not shown up with bags of winter wheat the central plains area would have been a failed agriculture experiment.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,723 posts)and always see "hard red winter wheat" referenced in local news.
I didn't know where that came from. Most of the tourist info is about the German settlers around Hays, and the Swedish influence in Lindsborg.
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)were actually Volga (Russian) Germans. I assume you are aware of their history of moving from Germany to Russia and then to the US.
My Great Grandfather, Grandfather, Great Uncles all called the red hard winter wheat "Russian wheat". Also, we grew up calling the tumbleweed a Russian Thistle. My generation still calls it Russian Thistle.
I would like to know more about the history and connection with Ukraine or Russia about the sunflower.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,723 posts)that bit of history was not in the tourist literature that I read. The hotel lit is about post rocks, and the "dissent" that led to all of the small towns surrounding Hays. Each having its own large church. The Cathedral of the Plains in Victoria is the most common example cited, but I've always been equally impressed by the ones in Liebenthal and Pfeifer.
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Cutting and hauling those post-rock fence posts all over the place was hard on his health. Those fence posts weight about 350 pounds each. So he built a barn of post-rock and then sold that farm That barn was completed in 1901 and still stands today and is in mint condition.
wishstar
(5,456 posts)Rebl2
(14,290 posts)in Missouri and I think Arkansas. Imagine its true across the Midwest.
KS Toronado
(18,595 posts)that all the limestone rock for The Cathedral of the Plains came from my Mom's granddad's farm.
On a side note, Sonny's in Liebenthal has the best tasting hamburgers around this area. IMO
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Do you have a good source?
KS Toronado
(18,595 posts)some are better than others, Gella's Diner always has great ones.
Doubt if anyone ships bierocks out of town.
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Sunflowers went from Kansa to Ukraine. Wow... so used to it being their other way around for crops, etc.
KS Toronado
(18,595 posts)DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Volga German settlers. I recall going to the German-Russian Fair back in the 40s and early 50s in Hays. I would walk down the street holding my father's hand and we would stop and listen to various groups talking...my Dad would listen and then look down at us kids and say "German" or "Russian" . I remember one time he laughed and said "Italian, don't know what that is about?"
KS Toronado
(18,595 posts)My father was somewhat fluent in German which came in handy while serving in Patton's 3rd Army,
he was often the first solider to interrogate new German prisoners, always had plenty of candy bars
handy for that task.
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Several years I met a woman from Germany who had just moved to the US to a mid-Atlantic state. I told her I was German-American. She was stunned in that she assumed that we would not claim that heritage after WWII.
She loved hearing stories about German Americans and when she went home to visit she loved telling her grandfather (who was a Hitler youth) all about proud German Americans.
KS Toronado
(18,595 posts)Have always thought how lucky we were (& Italians) to not go to internment camps like the Japanese
during WWII. Little harder to identify & round us up I guess.
Traildogbob
(9,490 posts)Thanks for the share.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,711 posts)...my wife grows sunflowers every year. We harvest the seeds for the birds that overwinter here. They'll have a lot more importance this year.
panfluteman
(2,141 posts)Sunflower Seed Oil is far and away the mot popular and frequently used cooking oil. There are huge fields of Sunflowers in Romania as well, and one of my favorite honeys when I lived in Romania was Sunflower Honey. Floarea Soarelui - The Flower of the Sun - is what Romanians call it. On the trains, and in the public marketplaces, gypsy sales ladies hawk Sunflower seeds, saying, "Seminte baieti", or "Sunflower seeds, boys..."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)3Hotdogs
(13,092 posts)Put them in your pocket so that when you die, sunflowers will grow from your grave.
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)How sunflowers officially connect Kansas and Ukraine
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (WDAF) Kansas is the Sunflower State, and Ukraine could be known as the Sunflower Country. The flower plays a vital role for those who call each area home.
The sunflower can be seen in pictures of protests in Ukraine following Russias invasion. People are also adding the sunflower to Twitter bios and tweets to show support for Ukraine after Ukraine World posted a Ukrainian woman confronting a Russian soldier with sunflower seeds last week.
The flower had grown wildly in Kansas for centuries before its seeds were shipped from North America to Ukraine. It happened long before Kansas made the sunflower the states official flower in 1903.
The climate in both Kansas and Ukraine is similar, allowing the native flower to flourish thousands of miles apart. Its something Mennonite immigrants from Ukraine and the Crimea area learned when they relocated to Kansas in the late 1800s, seeking greater religious freedoms.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,723 posts)It's a part of history that I bet most don't know. Even those of us who travel Kansas a lot.
deminks
(11,196 posts)DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)3Hotdogs
(13,092 posts)Put them in your pocket so that when you die, sunflowers will grow from where your body rots.
Javaman
(62,848 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"The combination of blue and yellow as a symbol of Ukraine comes from the flag of the Kingdom of GaliciaVolhynia used in the 12th century"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia
Mira
(22,451 posts)My post of linking the photo and the flag and the colors and the placements of course came from pure emotion.
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)Link to tweet
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Rebl2
(14,290 posts)what the majority of republicans do-being a hypocrite😐
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,573 posts)See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ukraine#History
Snips...
Yellowblue, red-black, crimson-olive and especially raspberry colour banners were widely used by Cossacks between the 16th and 18th centuries. These were not the only possible combinations, since normally Cossacks would fly their hetman's banners, which were similar to the coats of arms of the nobility. Also, yellow and blue were the colours common on coats of arms in Galicia. In fact, the coat of arms of Lviv to this day remains a golden lion on a blue field.
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Yellow-blue vs blue-yellow
Ukrainians commonly refer to the flag as "yellow and light blue", a different version of the flag used during UNR (Ukrainian National Republic) years (19171921) with yellow on the top and blue on the bottom. The yellow on the top allegedly represents golden domes (cupolas) of Christian churches and the blue the Dnieper river.
Although most Ukrainians identify their flag in the spoken language as "yellow and light blue", the current flag in reality is blue (the upper band) and yellow (the lower band). The issue is quite significant, because the historical alteration of the flag (from yellowblue to blueyellow) did not affect the spoken language.[citation needed] Back in 1848, the flag was yellow and blue,[citation needed] and it was later changed to blue and yellow to be more appealing to the common person.[citation needed] A common explanation of "blue sky above yellow field of wheat" was invented around that time, as Ukraine is considered Europe's breadbasket, or "blue sky over sunflowers," which is their national flower.[citation needed] Although this evocation of a Ukrainian landscape has nothing to do with the choice of colours or the history of the original yellow and blue, it has formed the Ukrainians' conception of their flag.
As with all things human, plenty of opinions and reasoning to go around but I do commend your grandchild for being so observant and for thinking about Ukraine!
KY........
tikka
(777 posts)Bukovina (Land of Beeches) is now split between Romania and Ukraine. It's in the Carpathian mountains. He and others migrated to Ellis, Kansas which is pretty flat and fairly treeless. It must have been quite a shock to the immigrants.
https://bukovinasociety.org/
DURHAM D
(32,771 posts)I had never heard of Bukovina.
So much to learn...so little time.
tikka
(777 posts)Maria Theresa of the Hapsburgs moved my ancestors from Bohemia to Bukovina. In light of current events, I wonder if she did it to strengthen her border with Russia. They ended up in Ellis, KS which was at the time the end of the Union Pacific line.
patphil
(6,691 posts)Tommy Carcetti
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(43,431 posts)llmart
(16,093 posts)The architecture is simply stunning. Pains me even more to know that some of the beautiful cities are being decimated by a mad man.
FakeNoose
(34,597 posts)I have a small flower garden in front of my house that gets full sun in the afternoons. The sun is too strong for some flowers to grow there, but sunflowers LOVE it! I've already started the seeds and I'll transplant them into the garden in about another month. They'll look lovely next to the window boxes full of bright red geraniums.
Slava Ukraini!
Obviously reflects a love for nature!