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Mira

(22,380 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 09:58 PM Mar 2022

NOW I KNOW what was the glorious impetus for the Ukraian flag. Take a look

Today, in a humongous local hospital, visiting a close family member, I got seriously lost in the hallways. I always study the art on the walls, it's second nature. I came across this one, and took the photo.

I explained to the doctor who came along that the reason I took the photo was because they are the state flowers of Ukraine and they exported the most sunflower oil on earth. He did not know, and was really happy to learn. He said his church had gathered $10 000 for Ukraine, and he himself was financially aiding two hospitals there.

He then helped me find my way.

Only later when I showed the photo to my grandson who came for a visit as well, did it dawn on me when he immediately said: this photo shows the origins of their flag.

Enjoy:


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NOW I KNOW what was the glorious impetus for the Ukraian flag. Take a look (Original Post) Mira Mar 2022 OP
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2022 #1
Lovely post Deuxcents Mar 2022 #2
The two colors have a very long history with different meanings than current version. Donkees Mar 2022 #3
State colors of Delaware and my alma mater Walleye Mar 2022 #26
I'm referring to the origins and history of the Ukrainian flag Donkees Mar 2022 #30
Me too! Dr. Skull Mar 2022 #33
My alma mater UCLA too LymphocyteLover Mar 2022 #48
Yes. I lived in LA in the 70s. Renewed my fanship of the Rams this year Walleye Mar 2022 #49
Sunflower is the state flower of Kansas. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #4
Winter wheat brought to Kansas from immigrants deminks Mar 2022 #8
Amen. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #9
I travel in KS a lot FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #16
Many of those German settlers around Hays DURHAM D Mar 2022 #18
Nope, FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #20
One of my Great Grandfathers owned a post-rock quarry. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #27
Interesting- I looked up post rocks and found this link explaining their history: wishstar Mar 2022 #31
See these Rebl2 Mar 2022 #34
Growing up in Hays I was always told KS Toronado Mar 2022 #40
What about bierocks? DURHAM D Mar 2022 #42
LOL, lots of bierocks around here KS Toronado Mar 2022 #45
See my post down thread. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #21
Picture does tend to look like Kansas KS Toronado Mar 2022 #10
I think Ellis County had the largest number of DURHAM D Mar 2022 #15
My parents were members of the local Volga German Society KS Toronado Mar 2022 #41
What a cool story. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #44
That's a cool story also! KS Toronado Mar 2022 #46
Oh YES! Cha Mar 2022 #5
Stunning beauty. Traildogbob Mar 2022 #6
While it has absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainians and their plight... BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #7
In Romania, In Eastern Europe, the Country That Gave Us the Pan Flute, panfluteman Mar 2022 #11
It's beautiful!!! Or at least it WAS:( Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #12
---and there's the story of the grandmother who gave sunflower seeds to incoming Russian soldiers... 3Hotdogs Mar 2022 #13
Look what I found - DURHAM D Mar 2022 #19
Thanks for posting that FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #22
Looks like we shared game changing crops. nt. deminks Mar 2022 #23
I like that - Game changing crops. nt DURHAM D Mar 2022 #25
---and there's the story of the grandmother who gave sunflower seeds to incoming Russian soldiers... 3Hotdogs Mar 2022 #14
You have to love any nation that bases it's flag on natures beauty ny Javaman Mar 2022 #17
...blue and yellow as a symbol of Ukraine comes from the flag of the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #24
Love the information. thank you. Mira Mar 2022 #28
Little Ukraine (Kansas) deserves better than this - DURHAM D Mar 2022 #29
Just doing Rebl2 Mar 2022 #35
Beautiful sentiment but somewhat contradicted by the Wiki... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2022 #32
One of my great-grandfathers (2nd or 3rd) came from Bukovina tikka Mar 2022 #36
Thank you for posting this. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #47
Someone from Ft Hays State did a paper on the Bukovina immigrants tikka Mar 2022 #50
Thank you Mira and Durham D for your excellent discussion of Kansas/Ukraine connection. patphil Mar 2022 #37
One of my personal photos from my visit to Ukraine in 2019. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #38
And a few more: Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #39
Those are gorgeous! llmart Mar 2022 #52
I'm growing sunflowers this season FakeNoose Mar 2022 #43
Cool! lunatica Mar 2022 #51

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
4. Sunflower is the state flower of Kansas.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 10:14 PM
Mar 2022

Wheat is the most common crop. Open blue sky is sometimes overwhelming.

Guess we should start calling Kansas Little Ukraine.




deminks

(11,014 posts)
8. Winter wheat brought to Kansas from immigrants
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 10:52 PM
Mar 2022

From the area now Ukraine. Turkey red wheat. Kansas has many links to Ukraine.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
9. Amen.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:00 PM
Mar 2022

Red wheat also called winter wheat was brought by Volga Germans and the Ukraine Mennonites. Unfortunately, mixed in with the wheat was Russian thistle, more commonly known as the tumbleweed.

If those immigrants had not shown up with bags of winter wheat the central plains area would have been a failed agriculture experiment.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,422 posts)
16. I travel in KS a lot
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:21 PM
Mar 2022

and always see "hard red winter wheat" referenced in local news.

I didn't know where that came from. Most of the tourist info is about the German settlers around Hays, and the Swedish influence in Lindsborg.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
18. Many of those German settlers around Hays
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:31 PM
Mar 2022

were actually Volga (Russian) Germans. I assume you are aware of their history of moving from Germany to Russia and then to the US.

My Great Grandfather, Grandfather, Great Uncles all called the red hard winter wheat "Russian wheat". Also, we grew up calling the tumbleweed a Russian Thistle. My generation still calls it Russian Thistle.

I would like to know more about the history and connection with Ukraine or Russia about the sunflower.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,422 posts)
20. Nope,
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:40 PM
Mar 2022

that bit of history was not in the tourist literature that I read. The hotel lit is about post rocks, and the "dissent" that led to all of the small towns surrounding Hays. Each having its own large church. The Cathedral of the Plains in Victoria is the most common example cited, but I've always been equally impressed by the ones in Liebenthal and Pfeifer.


DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
27. One of my Great Grandfathers owned a post-rock quarry.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 12:00 AM
Mar 2022

Cutting and hauling those post-rock fence posts all over the place was hard on his health. Those fence posts weight about 350 pounds each. So he built a barn of post-rock and then sold that farm That barn was completed in 1901 and still stands today and is in mint condition.

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
40. Growing up in Hays I was always told
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:28 AM
Mar 2022

that all the limestone rock for The Cathedral of the Plains came from my Mom's granddad's farm.
On a side note, Sonny's in Liebenthal has the best tasting hamburgers around this area. IMO

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
45. LOL, lots of bierocks around here
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 12:06 PM
Mar 2022

some are better than others, Gella's Diner always has great ones.
Doubt if anyone ships bierocks out of town.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
21. See my post down thread.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:41 PM
Mar 2022

Sunflowers went from Kansa to Ukraine. Wow... so used to it being their other way around for crops, etc.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
15. I think Ellis County had the largest number of
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:19 PM
Mar 2022

Volga German settlers. I recall going to the German-Russian Fair back in the 40s and early 50s in Hays. I would walk down the street holding my father's hand and we would stop and listen to various groups talking...my Dad would listen and then look down at us kids and say "German" or "Russian" . I remember one time he laughed and said "Italian, don't know what that is about?"

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
41. My parents were members of the local Volga German Society
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:43 AM
Mar 2022

My father was somewhat fluent in German which came in handy while serving in Patton's 3rd Army,
he was often the first solider to interrogate new German prisoners, always had plenty of candy bars
handy for that task.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
44. What a cool story.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:53 AM
Mar 2022

Several years I met a woman from Germany who had just moved to the US to a mid-Atlantic state. I told her I was German-American. She was stunned in that she assumed that we would not claim that heritage after WWII.

She loved hearing stories about German Americans and when she went home to visit she loved telling her grandfather (who was a Hitler youth) all about proud German Americans.

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
46. That's a cool story also!
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 12:17 PM
Mar 2022

Have always thought how lucky we were (& Italians) to not go to internment camps like the Japanese
during WWII. Little harder to identify & round us up I guess.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
7. While it has absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainians and their plight...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 10:50 PM
Mar 2022

...my wife grows sunflowers every year. We harvest the seeds for the birds that overwinter here. They'll have a lot more importance this year.

panfluteman

(2,062 posts)
11. In Romania, In Eastern Europe, the Country That Gave Us the Pan Flute,
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:07 PM
Mar 2022

Sunflower Seed Oil is far and away the mot popular and frequently used cooking oil. There are huge fields of Sunflowers in Romania as well, and one of my favorite honeys when I lived in Romania was Sunflower Honey. Floarea Soarelui - The Flower of the Sun - is what Romanians call it. On the trains, and in the public marketplaces, gypsy sales ladies hawk Sunflower seeds, saying, "Seminte baieti", or "Sunflower seeds, boys..."

3Hotdogs

(12,332 posts)
13. ---and there's the story of the grandmother who gave sunflower seeds to incoming Russian soldiers...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:16 PM
Mar 2022

Put them in your pocket so that when you die, sunflowers will grow from your grave.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
19. Look what I found -
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:39 PM
Mar 2022
https://www.ksn.com/news/local/how-sunflowers-officially-connect-kansas-and-ukraine/?ipid=promo-link-block1#:~:text=The%20flower%20had%20grown%20wildly%20in%20Kansas%20for,native%20flower%20to%20flourish%20thousands%20of%20miles%20apart.

How sunflowers officially connect Kansas and Ukraine

KANSAS CITY, Kan. (WDAF) – Kansas is the Sunflower State, and Ukraine could be known as the “Sunflower Country.” The flower plays a vital role for those who call each area home.

The sunflower can be seen in pictures of protests in Ukraine following Russia’s invasion. People are also adding the sunflower to Twitter bios and tweets to show support for Ukraine after Ukraine World posted a Ukrainian woman confronting a Russian soldier with sunflower seeds last week.

The flower had grown wildly in Kansas for centuries before its seeds were shipped from North America to Ukraine. It happened long before Kansas made the sunflower the state’s official flower in 1903.

The climate in both Kansas and Ukraine is similar, allowing the native flower to flourish thousands of miles apart. It’s something Mennonite immigrants from Ukraine and the Crimea area learned when they relocated to Kansas in the late 1800s, seeking greater religious freedoms.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,422 posts)
22. Thanks for posting that
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:43 PM
Mar 2022

It's a part of history that I bet most don't know. Even those of us who travel Kansas a lot.

3Hotdogs

(12,332 posts)
14. ---and there's the story of the grandmother who gave sunflower seeds to incoming Russian soldiers...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:16 PM
Mar 2022

Put them in your pocket so that when you die, sunflowers will grow from where your body rots.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
24. ...blue and yellow as a symbol of Ukraine comes from the flag of the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia.
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 11:48 PM
Mar 2022

"The combination of blue and yellow as a symbol of Ukraine comes from the flag of the Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia used in the 12th century"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia

Mira

(22,380 posts)
28. Love the information. thank you.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 12:22 AM
Mar 2022

My post of linking the photo and the flag and the colors and the placements of course came from pure emotion.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
32. Beautiful sentiment but somewhat contradicted by the Wiki...
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 06:34 AM
Mar 2022
Flag of Ukraine

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ukraine#History

Snips...
The roots of Ukrainian national symbols come from pre-Christian times when yellow and blue prevailed in traditional ceremonies, reflecting fire and water. The most solid proof of yellow and blue colours can be traced back as far as the Battle of Grunwald in 1410, in which militia formations from various lands of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth participated.

Yellow–blue, red-black, crimson-olive and especially raspberry colour banners were widely used by Cossacks between the 16th and 18th centuries. These were not the only possible combinations, since normally Cossacks would fly their hetman's banners, which were similar to the coats of arms of the nobility. Also, yellow and blue were the colours common on coats of arms in Galicia. In fact, the coat of arms of Lviv to this day remains a golden lion on a blue field.

----------------
Yellow-blue vs blue-yellow

Ukrainians commonly refer to the flag as "yellow and light blue", a different version of the flag used during UNR (Ukrainian National Republic) years (1917–1921) with yellow on the top and blue on the bottom. The yellow on the top allegedly represents golden domes (cupolas) of Christian churches and the blue the Dnieper river.

Although most Ukrainians identify their flag in the spoken language as "yellow and light blue", the current flag in reality is blue (the upper band) and yellow (the lower band). The issue is quite significant, because the historical alteration of the flag (from yellow–blue to blue–yellow) did not affect the spoken language.[citation needed] Back in 1848, the flag was yellow and blue,[citation needed] and it was later changed to blue and yellow to be more appealing to the common person.[citation needed] A common explanation of "blue sky above yellow field of wheat" was invented around that time, as Ukraine is considered Europe's breadbasket, or "blue sky over sunflowers," which is their national flower.[citation needed] Although this evocation of a Ukrainian landscape has nothing to do with the choice of colours or the history of the original yellow and blue, it has formed the Ukrainians' conception of their flag.


As with all things human, plenty of opinions and reasoning to go around but I do commend your grandchild for being so observant and for thinking about Ukraine!


KY........

tikka

(762 posts)
36. One of my great-grandfathers (2nd or 3rd) came from Bukovina
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:45 AM
Mar 2022

Bukovina (Land of Beeches) is now split between Romania and Ukraine. It's in the Carpathian mountains. He and others migrated to Ellis, Kansas which is pretty flat and fairly treeless. It must have been quite a shock to the immigrants.

[link:https://bukovinasociety.org/|

tikka

(762 posts)
50. Someone from Ft Hays State did a paper on the Bukovina immigrants
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 02:41 PM
Mar 2022

Maria Theresa of the Hapsburgs moved my ancestors from Bohemia to Bukovina. In light of current events, I wonder if she did it to strengthen her border with Russia. They ended up in Ellis, KS which was at the time the end of the Union Pacific line.

llmart

(15,533 posts)
52. Those are gorgeous!
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:29 PM
Mar 2022

The architecture is simply stunning. Pains me even more to know that some of the beautiful cities are being decimated by a mad man.

FakeNoose

(32,594 posts)
43. I'm growing sunflowers this season
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:48 AM
Mar 2022

I have a small flower garden in front of my house that gets full sun in the afternoons. The sun is too strong for some flowers to grow there, but sunflowers LOVE it! I've already started the seeds and I'll transplant them into the garden in about another month. They'll look lovely next to the window boxes full of bright red geraniums.

Slava Ukraini!

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