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bigtree

(94,261 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 01:01 AM Mar 2022

"I'm not a biologist"

Manu Raju @mkraju 10:02 PM · Mar 22, 2022
“Can you provide a definition for the word, woman?” Blackburn asks.

Jackson: “Can I provide a definition? No, I can’t.”

Blackburn: “You can’t?”

Jackson: “Not in this context - I’m not a biologist. … In my work as a judge what I do is I address disputes.”



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"I'm not a biologist" (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #1
Sen. Blonde Palin says what? hatrack Mar 2022 #12
So many repubicans, so little time, so many dumbos..s. brush Mar 2022 #2
Not even a fair fight Judge Brown Jackson vs Sen. Blackburn Botany Mar 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #4
Snow White. ShazzieB Mar 2022 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #30
I get annoyed as hell... old as dirt Mar 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #6
Imagine that SC Judge Brown FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #7
hahahaha thanks for the laugh! Cassidy Mar 2022 #8
It's not really funny FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #9
Well, if she had answered as you stated, the next question would have been... LuckyCharms Mar 2022 #13
I agree, it was a diplomatic answer FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #23
I understand where you are coming from. LuckyCharms Mar 2022 #32
But it's not the job of a justice to define terms. Definitions spooky3 Mar 2022 #10
It's not a gotcha FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #11
As I said before, justices do not write definitions, and it is ridiculous to spooky3 Mar 2022 #15
Can Marsha define a woman? And would her definition be correct? By what standards...chromosomes? Samrob Mar 2022 #20
She might be able to define woman FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #24
A case about abortion is decided on abortion, not on the definition of "woman." Besides, WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #14
Which FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #16
Having helped all sorts of pregnant people access the abortion care they want, I know it truly WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #17
Which people get pregnant? FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #18
People with uteri. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #19
You mean women? FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #21
And some men! It's a big world! WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #22
Persistent Mullerian Syndrome (a DSD) FunkyLeprechaun Mar 2022 #25
. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #27
Disagree cabot Mar 2022 #29
. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #31
Proudly displaying their stupidity and pandering to their ignorant base! Emile Mar 2022 #26
Its amazing how frequent and obvious their bait-offerings are. milestogo Mar 2022 #33

Response to bigtree (Original post)

hatrack

(64,886 posts)
12. Sen. Blonde Palin says what?
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 07:45 AM
Mar 2022

And BTW, did a wart hog bed down in her hair the night before the hearing? Just wondering.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. So many repubicans, so little time, so many dumbos..s.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 01:10 AM
Mar 2022

trying to lay traps but getting shown up.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
3. Not even a fair fight Judge Brown Jackson vs Sen. Blackburn
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 01:12 AM
Mar 2022

From Wiki:

After high school, Jackson studied government at Harvard University. She performed improv comedy and took classes in drama,[13] and led protests against a student who displayed a Confederate flag from his dorm window. Jackson graduated in 1992 with an A.B. magna cum laude, having written a senior thesis entitled "The Hand of Oppression: Plea Bargaining Processes and the Coercion of Criminal Defendants".

Jackson worked as a staff reporter and researcher for Time magazine from 1992 to 1993, then attended Harvard Law School, where she was a supervising editor of the Harvard Law Review. She graduated in 1996 with a Juris Doctor cum laude.

Marsha Wedgeworth Blackburn was born in Laurel, Mississippi, to Mary Jo (Morgan) and Hilman Wedgeworth, who worked in sales and management. She was a beauty pageant winner in high school.

Blackburn attended Mississippi State University on a 4-H scholarship, earning a Bachelor of Science degree in home economics (fashion)
in 1974. She was a member of the Chi Omega sorority.

Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Response to ShazzieB (Reply #28)

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
5. I get annoyed as hell...
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 01:20 AM
Mar 2022

...when somebody demands that I "define" a non-mathematical concept.

Response to old as dirt (Reply #5)

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
7. Imagine that SC Judge Brown
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 02:01 AM
Mar 2022

has to deal with cases surrounding women’s rights (such as abortion), how does she deal with it if she cannot define what a “woman” is?

Didn’t she answer a question about abortion with “it’s a woman’s right to choose.”?

We women, no matter who we are, are often discriminated on the “basis of sex” (RBG’s own words).

Cassidy

(223 posts)
8. hahahaha thanks for the laugh!
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 03:27 AM
Mar 2022

I would have a more complete response to your comment, but since you haven't defined all the words you are using in your sentences, I cannot be sure of your meaning.

I am, however, interested in how Justice Kavanaugh defines sexual assault and rape.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
9. It's not really funny
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 04:12 AM
Mar 2022

Since a woman is defined as being an adult human female (which should have been Brown’s answer in the first place).

Funny how it is that the Republicans know exactly what a woman is when they make laws oppressing us.

LuckyCharms

(22,648 posts)
13. Well, if she had answered as you stated, the next question would have been...
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 07:57 AM
Mar 2022

If a person was born with a man's genitals, but identifies as a woman, and/or has physically transitioned to a woman...is that person a woman?

And then she would have answered yes.

And then GOP heads would start exploding, and a debate would have ensued over a subject that has nothing to do with the hearings, once again causing a huge Repub distraction.

I think she was very wise with her answer.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
23. I agree, it was a diplomatic answer
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:13 AM
Mar 2022

However, in this state of discussion, especially since sport has heavily featured in the last few weeks with women’s NCAA swimming I’m wondering if it was a wise move.

Btw I don’t like Blackburn but, speaking as a member of several women’s rights groups including Save Women’s Sport, was it an appropriate answer considering the issue?

I don’t know (as a very progressive Dem) but to an undecided voter? Probably not.

LuckyCharms

(22,648 posts)
32. I understand where you are coming from.
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 02:55 PM
Mar 2022

I am a very progressive Democrat as well. How an undecided voter would view the answer...I am not sure to be honest.

I viewed her answer as "consistent" with the way she answered several other questions.

A lot of her answers carried the same theme..."I'm a judge. I decide cases based on the evidence and arguments put before me for each specific case. That is what a judge does".

spooky3

(38,632 posts)
10. But it's not the job of a justice to define terms. Definitions
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 05:22 AM
Mar 2022

Should be offered in the arguments of the parties or in the statutes or regulations relevant to a specific case currently before the justices. This is simply a gotcha question that does not help anyone determine whether a candidate is qualified.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
11. It's not a gotcha
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 07:29 AM
Mar 2022

How can one begin to even discuss women’s rights when you cannot define what a woman is?

She will most likely deal with cases that affect women’s rights, such as Roe v. Wade.

Pro-choice, equal pay, female representation, women’s prisons, women’s sport, women’s refuges. How can one discuss any of these groups when one cannot define what a woman is?

spooky3

(38,632 posts)
15. As I said before, justices do not write definitions, and it is ridiculous to
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:22 AM
Mar 2022

Ask this during a confirmation hearing. They analyze the arguments including the definitions put forward by the parties and expert witnesses.Statutes typically provide definitions or delegate authority to enforcement agencies to do so. For example, “year of service” is broadly defined in the internal revenue code (by Congress), with discretion given to the IRS to spell out details, e.g., how many hours of work must be performed and on what schedule for it to be a year that an employer must credit in a.401k plan.

As Judge Brown said, she is not a biological scientist, who might provide expert testimony as to how “woman” would be defined.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
20. Can Marsha define a woman? And would her definition be correct? By what standards...chromosomes?
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 09:48 AM
Mar 2022

This question is like "How high is up?"

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
24. She might be able to define woman
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:17 AM
Mar 2022

After all she knows exactly who to target when she votes against abortion rights: women. Without reading too much about her, I’m sure she targeted Planned Parenthood, a service most women used.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
14. A case about abortion is decided on abortion, not on the definition of "woman." Besides,
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 07:59 AM
Mar 2022

men get abortions too.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
17. Having helped all sorts of pregnant people access the abortion care they want, I know it truly
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 08:56 AM
Mar 2022

doesn't matter, in the end, how they're defined -- legally, socially, biologically or otherwise. I meet someone who wants an abortion, I help them get one, they get one, the end.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
21. You mean women?
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:05 AM
Mar 2022

Only women, however they identify, have uteruses.

When you start diminishing women via language, you diminish their rights.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
22. And some men! It's a big world!
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:11 AM
Mar 2022

Some men assigned male at birth are actually born with a uterus. Acknowledging that does nothing to diminish women's rights.

When you narrow the understanding of women, the more women are hurt and their rights are diminished.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
25. Persistent Mullerian Syndrome (a DSD)
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:24 AM
Mar 2022

Only occur in males.

They will be infertile. They will not be able to have children.

One thing with people with DSDs, though, they will tell you not to drag them into the debate.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
27. .
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:30 AM
Mar 2022
One thing with people with DSDs, though, they will tell you not to drag them into the debate.
Some will, some won't. Again, it's a big world.

cabot

(724 posts)
29. Disagree
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 10:31 AM
Mar 2022

Only biological women have uteri – though some may have had it removed. When you expand what woman is, you dilute its meaning. Abortion no longer becomes a woman’s issue because “everyone” can get pregnant. Gender ideology should be respected, but it doesn’t trump biology. Biology is real, like the earth is flat or climate change is real.

Girls in Africa/ME cannot identify out of FGM. Women who are kidnapped and trafficked can’t identify out of being used and abused. Women are discriminated, to quote RGB, on the basis of our sex.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
31. .
Wed Mar 23, 2022, 11:10 AM
Mar 2022
Only biological women have uteri – though some may have had it removed.
What is a "biological woman"?

When you expand what woman is, you dilute its meaning.
When you narrow what a woman is, you will exclude people who really should be included.

Abortion no longer becomes a woman’s issue because “everyone” can get pregnant.
What is lost in that?

Gender ideology should be respected, but it doesn’t trump biology. Biology is real, like the earth is flat or climate change is real.
Absolutely, biology is real. It's also bigger than XX/XY or the presence of an organ.

Girls in Africa/ME cannot identify out of FGM. Women who are kidnapped and trafficked can’t identify out of being used and abused. Women are discriminated, to quote RGB, on the basis of our sex.
So...the definition of "woman" is how a person can be the worst hurt? Their victimhood? None of the people you mention here are ever transmasc? Living as a man? Huh.
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