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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsManafort is the key to the whole Putin/Trump/Ukraine plot.
That's why his passport is revoked.
2004: Manafort installs Putin puppet Yanukovych in Ukraine.
2004: Yanukovych is driven out of Ukraine by the people.
2010: Manafort installs Putin puppet Yanukovych in Ukraine.
2014: Yanukovych is driven out of Ukraine by the people.
2015: Manafort, Trump Tower Tenant, offers to work for Trump's campaign for FREE.
2016: Manafort and Trump secretly hack the RNC Platform to remove support for Ukraine.
2016: Manafort and Putin install Putin Puppet Trump in the US.
2017-2020: Trump spends four years trying to destroy NATO, Ukraine's chief ally.
2019: Putin gets Trump to blackmail Ukraine and withhold military aid.
2020: Trump pardons Manafort for financial crimes.
2020: Trump is driven from power by the people.
calimary
(83,453 posts)Anybody know?
And why shouldnt we know?
We need to know where this snake has slithered to, and what poisons hes stocking up on, and who hes conspiring with now.
Too bad we cant clamp one of those tracking cuffs on his ankle.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I believe he's in custody.
calimary
(83,453 posts)I hope youre right!
I hope he REMAINS in custody. PERMANENT custody.
Just saw another thread posted too...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142892603
KPN
(15,970 posts)back in the slammer for the next 10 years or so (w/ prefer something harsher, but hey, this is the USA). His passport was not revoked for no reason something is up and he most likely was running.
calimary
(83,453 posts)Lock him up and KEEP him locked up.
Permanently!
ProudMNDemocrat
(18,440 posts)The pardon does not protect Manafort from this action.
Obviously the man was attempting to flee the country. How he got past Customs and Immigration in the first place is a mystery he will have to explain.
dumbcat
(2,127 posts)If not, what would prevent him from "fleeing the country"?
If he is not under indictment or other reason to be legally detained, I'd just as soon see him gone, and not be allowed back.
patphil
(6,753 posts)Don't know how he got on the plane.
dumbcat
(2,127 posts)If he isn't under any charges, why was his passport invalid? Why would we want it to be?
Response to dumbcat (Reply #38)
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former9thward
(33,097 posts)Custody for what?
liberalgunwilltravel
(467 posts)former9thward
(33,097 posts)He was removed from a plane for not having a valid passport. You are not jailed for that. You are simply denied travel to those countries which require passports until you get a valid one.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,581 posts)Another one of those suspicious events that Rachel Maddow would not let go of.
Botany
(71,795 posts)In 2016 Manafort gave Russian Agent Konstantin Kilimnik not polling data but data analytics
(or what could be turned into data analytics) that allowed Russia to micro target their actions
so Trump would win the electoral college.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html?msclkid=3e321550aa4e11ec90f3d98a885d6d8b
Water Torture Manafort until he talks.
Old Okie
(175 posts)I don't believe in or support torture but we could turn him over to Dick Cheney. He believed in it since he saw it work on the TV show 24 (talk about alternate reality)
certainot
(9,090 posts)without palin, who was being wooed by russian oil and gas. mccain held out but announced palin was vp the friday before the GOP convention, which would have been a total disaster (believe me, talk radio ignorant) if he wasn't on board. i was listening to the show - palin was announced minutes before the start of the limbaugh show and then limbaugh started his show to 15 mil fucking idiots (incl a lot of incidental listeners) announcing he could finally support mccain - because palin. steve schmidt is still stupid enough to miss that and blame himself for converting palin from an ATV guide to a VP possible.
putin has been using talk radio since at least then, and around the world.
the astounding stupidity of ignoring rw radio continues
niyad
(118,041 posts)Response to certainot (Reply #57)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.
Tumbulu
(6,413 posts)and your excellent posts on the matter continue to illuminate the long term consequences of it.
Thank you!
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)The key to the whole Republican-Russian set of attacks on American democracy.
Lock the Republican traitors up. Preserve USA.
KS Toronado
(18,711 posts)until the Jan 6th committee and DOJ are through with him.
Walleye
(33,933 posts)He is an evil human being
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)He was recently with Roger Stone cooking up hell knows what.
Link to tweet
?s=20&t=4gwMsmNmtUL0iRhx5dj-sg
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...your time in the barrel is coming!
A_Steel_Magnolia
(17 posts)It's interesting that Manafort looks in great health in this picture. Remember how ill he was (even a wheelchair) when he wanted to get out of prison?
BTW, Manafort's passport had been revoked; that's why he was pulled from the airplane.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Since it was apparently clean when he went through TSA, it would appear the revocation was in real time.
Something BIG is up.
Joinfortmill
(15,783 posts)obamanut2012
(27,419 posts)hmmmmmmm
allegorical oracle
(2,821 posts)BigmanPigman
(52,129 posts)When Cosby was going to court he was almost blind, could hardly walk and didn't have a good prognosis. Now that he is free he has 20/20 vision and is walking unaided. It must be the same medical miracle for both men.
Bernardo de La Paz
(50,288 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Manafort and Trump go way back, they were "chummy' long before 2015.
It was no secret they changed the Republican platform.
We have no evidence Putin was involved in #FailedCoupGuy's extortion attempt on President Zelensky.
Manafort is NOT the key to the whole Putin/Trump/Ukraine plot. There is no Putin/Trump/Ukraine plot. That is a mischaraterization of events. Putin's Ukraine plot and Trump's Ukraine plot are not the same thing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Good one!
So you're saying the fact that Manafort was actually one of Putin's Trump-fluffers for many years, not just since 2015, means all the other stuff is PURE COINCIDENCE?
Please.
liberalgunwilltravel
(467 posts)Don't forget Manafort is also responsible for installing the sock puppet Mike Pence as the VP candidate.
Botany
(71,795 posts)Putin picked Pence to be V.P. via Manafort.
Evolve Dammit
(17,996 posts)Warpy
(112,781 posts)Manafort and Flynn are very, very bad guys and have been for a long time.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And I'm wondering how many of these crooks are buying tickets to Dubai right now.
A_Steel_Magnolia
(17 posts)The charges Manafort pleaded guilty to were tax and bank charges in New York which is why he went to prison. There could be other charges when the investigation(s) are complete including for Jan 6th (conspiracy to commit sedition?) if he was involved. Any illegal activity after the pardon could be charged.
tanyev
(43,997 posts)In five single-spaced pages of punchy talking points, Mr. Manafort showed how as a onetime lobbyist he had adeptly won over rich and powerful business and political leaders, many of them oligarchs or dictators, in Russia, Ukraine, the Philippines and Pakistan.
He began by telling the candidate he lived on an upper floor of Trump Tower. This was no trivial point: It signaled his wealth and a willingness to work 15-hour days in a building that housed both his lavish apartment and Mr. Trumps bare-bones campaign. It also meant Mr. Manafort had already put his money in the form of an apartment purchase into Mr. Trumps brand, which meant a lot to the candidate, a transactional developer and politician, aides said.
Plus he had a powerful closers move: He would work for free. I am not looking for a paid job, Mr. Manafort wrote.
Mr. Barrack drove home the point in his cover letter, writing, He would do this in an unpaid capacity. And over the next few months, according to several associates, Mr. Trump would repeatedly boast about the value he was getting from Mr. Manafort.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/us/to-charm-trump-paul-manafort-sold-himself-as-an-affordable-outsider.html
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Sooo...who WAS paying Paul?
ancianita
(37,662 posts)to the debts he'd incurred (over projects in Ukraine) and kept stalling to repay.
According to leaked text messages between his daughters, Manafort was also one of the proponents of violent removal of the Euromaidan protesters, which resulted in police shooting dozens of people during 2014 Hrushevskoho Street riots. In one of the messages, his daughter writes that it was his "strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."[120]
Manafort has rejected questions about whether Kilimnik, with whom he consulted regularly, might be in league with Russian intelligence.[121] According to Yuri Shvets, Kilimnik previously worked for the GRU, and every bit of information about his work with Manafort went directly to Russian intelligence.[122]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort
In Miami he miscalculated how near he is to another federal indictment. He should have chartered his way out. Trump's pardon got him three houses and a bank account back, but maybe he still owes Deripaska. Somebody and something is definitely catching up with him, possibly from his Ukraine days. As others mention, maybe he wants to "help" oligarchs from the safety of Dubai. Maybe his wife and daughters, sick of him, notified the TSA & FBI.
So much complicated shadiness surrounds him. When the Jan6 hearings blow the roof off the House, I hope he's even a small part of their factual case.
Joinfortmill
(15,783 posts)niyad
(118,041 posts)SheltieLover
(58,574 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,637 posts)FakeNoose
(34,753 posts)That's the last piece of the puzzle.
Manafort won't throw Chump under the bus now, will he? It's not likely.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And anyway, the pardon only covers specific financial crime convictions (listed in the official text, in the link below). It doesn't cover anything not listed, such as espionage/sabotage for a foreign power.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1349071/download
So, Turd can't protect Manafort, and Manafort won't be likely to protect Turd.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)If he failed to admit to any crimes he committed during the scope of the pardon period.
ancianita
(37,662 posts)He must know indictments are ahead.
Kid Berwyn
(17,140 posts)Conspiracy to commit treason.
Trumps Top Targets in the Russia Probe Are Experts in Organized Crime
Some of President Trumps favorite targets in the Russia probe have spent their careers in the Justice Department and the FBI investigating organized crime and money laundering, particularly as they pertain to Russia.
NATASHA BERTRAND
The Atlantic, AUG 30, 2018
Bruce Ohr. Lisa Page. Andrew Weissmann. Andrew McCabe. President Donald Trump has relentlessly attacked these FBI and Justice Department officials as dishonest Democrats engaged in a partisan witch hunt led by the special counsel determined to tie his campaign to Russia. But Trumps attacks have also served to highlight another thread among these officials and others who have investigated his campaign: their extensive experience in probing money laundering and organized crime, particularly as they pertain to Russia.
snip...
Trumps latest obsession is with Bruce Ohr, a career Justice Department official who spent years investigating Russian organized crime and corruptionan expertise he shared with another Trump target named Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who provided valuable intelligence on Russia to the State Department and the FBIs Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force prior to authoring the Trump-Russia dossier in 2016. Ohr and Steele met in 2007, according to The New York Times, and stayed in touch as a result of their shared interests and mutual respect. Trump has tweeted about Ohr nearly a dozen times this month alone, complaining about his relationship with Steele and Ohrs wifes past work for Fusion GPSthe opposition-research firm that hired Steele in 2016 to research Trumps Russia ties.
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Trumps fixation with seeing Ohr ousted from the Justice Department could be perceived as yet another attempt to undermine the credibility of the people who have investigated him. It could also be interpreted as an attack on someone with deep knowledge of the shady characters Trump and his cohort have been linked to, including Semion Mogilevich, the Russian mob boss, and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate close to Putin who did business with Trumps former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Incidentally, another Manafort associate, the Ukrainian billionaire Dmitry Firtash, admitted that he only managed to be in business because Mogilevich allowed him to be, according to a leaked 2008 State Department cable.) Ohr was involved in banning Deripaska from the U.S. in 2006, due to his alleged ties to organized crime and fear that he would try to launder money into American real estate. Nearly a decade later, Ohr and the FBI sought Deripaskas help in taking down overseas criminal syndicates.
Snip...
The president has denied having any business ties to Russia, and his dream of building a Trump Tower Moscow never materialized. But his links to Russian oligarchs and mobsters from the former Soviet Union have been documented: Millions of dollars from the former Soviet Union flowed into Trumps developments and casinos throughout the 1990s, as the journalist Craig Unger has chronicled, as oligarchs looked for a place to hide their money in the West. The Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was once known as a hot spot for Brooklyn mobsters associated with the Russian Mafia, and quickly became the favorite East Coast destination of the top Russian mob boss Vyacheslav Ivankov, according to the 2000 book Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America. It was also repeatedly cited by the Treasury Departments Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for having inadequate money-laundering controls.
Continues...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trumps-top-targets-in-the-russia-probe-are-experts-in-organized-crime/569056/
As PRESIDENT Trump targeted the FBI Witch Hunters who were tracking Putin and his Mafiya. And then, after they all got caught, he pardoned Manafort.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They will be quite motivated to dig deeply.
Of course, that's why Garland wouldn't allow that.
niyad
(118,041 posts)counterintelligence about russia.
Joinfortmill
(15,783 posts)FirstLight
(13,711 posts)Fuckin' DUBAI
yeah, watch what rocks they try to slither under and you'll find where their money is stashed too ...
BobTheSubgenius
(11,724 posts)ultralite001
(1,032 posts)and where???
Golf tournament??? Formula One???
Foreign currency exchange -- dollars to rubles???
Trescon World Blockchain Summit - Dubai - 03/23/2022???
https://tresconglobal.com/conferences/blockchain/dubai/]
bucolic_frolic
(45,816 posts)erronis
(16,440 posts)checkpointed border control. Many quite luxurious yachts are all around Florida and they don't need any paperwork to head out of town. Quick stop in some not-too-controlled island, board a private jet, and off you go.
flying_wahini
(7,716 posts)Blue Owl
(53,756 posts)Hotler
(11,812 posts)Evolve Dammit
(17,996 posts)themaguffin
(4,112 posts)the center of all of this.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"Updated at 3:36 p.m. E.D.T. on December 4.
President Trump may have been involved with a change to the Republican Party campaign platform last year that watered down support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine, according to new information from someone who was involved.
Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-ukraine-platform_n_59f72c88e4b07fdc5fbf9007
Paul Manafort's Indictment Sheds More Light On Pro-Russia Change To GOP Platform
The former Trump campaign chairman is charged with laundering millions from Vladimir Putin's allies in Ukraine.
By
Igor Bobic
Oct. 30, 2017, 11:10 AM EDT | Updated Oct. 30, 2017
The conspiracy and money laundering charges against former Donald Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort raise new questions about a mysterious pro-Russia change to the Republican Party platform made at the 2016 GOP convention in Cleveland.
Manafort, along with business associate Rick Gates, were indicted Monday as part of the investigation into Russian meddling in last years presidential election led by special counsel Robert Mueller.
Both Trump and Manafort denied having anything to do with the last-minute change to the party platform. But the financial benefits Manafort received from pro-Russia politicians in Ukraine, as detailed in the charges against him, intensifies the skepticism that has long surrounded his denial.
The 12-count grand jury indictment alleges that Manafort and Gates generated tens of millions of dollars in income as a result of their lobbying for pro-Russian interests in Ukraine.
In order to hide Ukraine payments from United States authorities, from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, Manafort and Gates laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts, the indictment says.
In total, $75 million flowed through Manafort and Gates offshore accounts, according to the indictment. Manafort allegedly laundered $18 million, while Gates allegedly laundered $3 million.
The change to the GOP platform dropped a call for the U.S. to provide arms to Ukraine in response to aggressive moves by Russia that included the occupation and eventual annexation of the Crimea province from Ukraine in 2014. After the annexation, Russian President Vladimir Putin continued to fuel violent unrest in other parts of the Ukraine.
The amendment to the Republican platform came as a surprise just days before Trump was officially nominated for president at the partys convention. Two Republican National Committee officials privately acknowledged at the time that Trumps campaign pushed for the change. Trump denied involvement, however.
I wasnt involved in that. Honestly, I was not involved, Trump said.