Outrage as high school students call for bombing to kill all Native Americans in their community: re

[turbinetree]

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Outrage as high school students call for bombing to kill all Native Americans in their community: report

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There is outrage at two schools in the Duluth area of Minnesota after Native American students associated with a nearby Reservation faced death threats from fellow students.

"The Fond du Lac Band of Lake Superior Chippewa is demanding a response from leaders of nearby school districts after a racist and threatening Snapchat conversation between two students was shared on social media late last week," the Star Tribune reports. "The exchange between a student from Esko High School and another from Cloquet High included a desire for the Cloquet school to be bombed so 'all natives die.' It continued with other derogatory remarks about Native American people."

The letter from the Reservation Business Committee was addressed to Cloquet Superintendent Michael Cary and Esko Superintendent Aaron Fisher.

https://www.rawstory.com/racism-2657033129/

Lock them up.....

[dem4decades]

1. Future Republican Secretary of Interior?

[LiberalFighter]

2. I don't care that they might be minors. They should be locked up for several years.

[mzmolly]

3. WTF?

[Brainfodder]

26. WTF WTF WTF?!!

Need to jail some more parents?

That no license needed to be a parent is backfiring?

[mzmolly]

46. Agree.

It saddens me that kids are raised with such hate.

[BidenRocks]

44. Not just WTF,

But why?
What is the final "solution" in their twisted minds?
I no longer recite any pledge to a country of bigots!

[mzmolly]

47. It's puzzling to me.

The why likely starts at home.

I have no idea how hate and ignorance can thrive like it does, given all the access 'we' have to truth.

[abqtommy]

4. This is outrageous on more than one level. First of all, nobody except Fascists call for

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the murder of this or that ethnic group. Second, give these ignorant students detention
in jail until they can intelligently discuss the difference between "Native" and "Indigenous"
peoples. (Everyone born in The Americas is a "Native" while the original inhabitants of
any land are "Indigenous or Aboriginal".) There's no reason we have to tolerate this level
of stupidity and ignorance here in 2022 AD.

[turbinetree]

7. Yepper spot on................

[RussBLib]

8. parental rights!!

It's a parents right to fill their kids heads with hate, fear and bullshit!

Nature and nurture.

[PlutosHeart]

29. Indeed.

What is frightening is that Duluth of all places should know better. For the most part.
The many disappearances and violence committed upon Indigenous in the northern tier of this State and into Canada is unacceptable.
Racism is rampant in MN. and with the many Tribes we have it is stunning that this continues to happen. Yet I know most people have neither seen nor ever spoken to anyone in those communities. I am married to an enrollee and this report makes me really upset.

[FoxNewsSucks]

32. Not just MN

I moved to South Dakota in the early 80's, lived there for two years.

I was shocked at the prejudice and bigotry against Native Americans. It was far worse than the prejudice and bigotry against black people that existed in the small-town rural area I moved from.

Sounds like nothing has changed.

[BidenRocks]

48. I retired right before covid.

Couldn't travel then and now there are so many RW traitorous and bigoted states that I would never or never again visit.

I feel it's time to expatriate.

Costa Rica or ?

[SoCalDavidS]

5. America 2022 nt

[secondwind]

6. They get this from their parents, and other adults in their life...

Children aren't born with hate.

[calimary]

45. like my dear departed mother-in-law used to say, about babies:

"they don't suck it out of their thumbs."

[lindysalsagal]

9. ok ok: It's 2 students. Everyone take a breath.

Unless someone official can find a reason to think otherwise, this is probably 2 kids who really don't understand what they're saying, or even mean it.


Kids. Honestly. Kids say stuff. Let's see if this is part of something larger, organized, and grown-up.

[iemanja]

10. What?

These are high school students. High school students are capable of taking automatic rifles to school and shooting their classmates. Of course, they are capable of blowing up people and places. Playing down this sort of thing with antiquated notions of childhood is a very dangerous practice.

[stopdiggin]

18. antiquated notions of childhood

like a juvenile justice system? We gonna scrap that 'notion' too?

[iemanja]

19. Where did I say that?

Nowhere. I did not even reference the judicial system.

[blueinredohio]

12. My 12 year old granddaughter knows better than that.

[uponit7771]

50. +1, ... and these were high school students

[stopdiggin]

15. think you have a good point.

I'm not saying ignore it (which you really can't do these days) - but maybe it ought to first be determined if this represents a legitimate threat of violence - or a couple of 16 year olds jawing at one another. Maybe we're being a little premature with the "lock em up" stuff?

Anybody know what the beef was about to start with?

[Cobalt Violet]

17. Thanks for Whitesplaining that.

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. The DU reaction seems far more extreme than the Native American

so I think asking DU to take a step back is not "Whitesplaining". In this thread, we've seen calls for the students to be locked up for several years. The Font du Lac Band is just asking for the school districts and leadership to act because of the racism, not the police or court systems to press charges about intended violence:

"We are horrified and saddened by the ignorant and racist statements of students from schools where many of our Native youth attend," Fond du Lac Chairman Kevin Dupuis Sr. wrote in a letter to the superintendents of the Esko and Cloquet school districts.

"We want to receive an immediate response from the school districts and school leadership on how you intend to address this situation, not only with the specific students involved in the incident but also with the larger student body community."
...
She said she wants the involved students to apologize to the Native community, and for school leaders to do more, including requiring curriculum that would educate students about Native American oppression and genocide.
...
She said Cloquet school leaders "made remarks over the loudspeaker and put an e-mail out. But they're not being transparent about the actions they took with the students or what they will do to prevent this in the future. … Our community deserves to know the outcome."

https://www.startribune.com/fond-du-lac-band-demands-action-high-schools-after-racist-social-media-conversation-circulates/600158815/

[MerryBlooms]

64. Was there an immediate response from

The school districts and leadership?

[IronLionZion]

23. These kids need to learn this behavior is wrong from a young age

before they become Republican politicians

[dflprincess]

28. When it comes to northern Minnesota

And the attitude toward the Ojibwe, trust me when I tell you, it is not "2 kids".

[old guy]

34. I was raised up there between Grand Rapids and Duluth. You are correct.

[Lonestarblue]

31. And it's kids who take guns to school and murder their classmates.

Threats like this should not be there ignored. Any high school kid in this country can get a gun—often from their parents, who refuse to believe that their kid would murder someone—until he does.

[Fullduplexxx]

36. In the age of active school shooters? Really?

[old as dirt]

39. Kids do stuff, too.

ok ok: It's 2 students. Everyone take a breath.

Kids. Honestly. Kids say stuff.

Police: Iowa teens used baseball bat to kill Spanish teacher

https://www.kcrg.com/2022/03/23/police-iowa-teens-used-baseball-bat-kill-spanish-teacher/

[live love laugh]

63. Some "kids" seem to always get a pass like the future bomber kids here. Wonder whyyy....

[Atticus]

42. For what it's worth, you beat me to posting nearly the same thing. I agree. nt

[uponit7771]

49. Please stop, these are high school students. If they didn't know what they were saying there

... are far more other things to be alarmed at about this situation.

They knew better bottom line

[treestar]

51. They could be trolling

Trying to be shocking.

[SheltieLover]

13. How dare they?

[Meowmee]

14. Terrible

This needs to be fully investigated and have consequences.

[CanonRay]

16. They learn this shit from their parents

Babies aren't born racist or hateful

[Steven Maurer]

52. + 1

Exactly. This comes from the ubiquitous evil running across rural America.

[electric_blue68]

20. G damn racists! Sure the hell sounds like it. Who did they pick that up from, family......

Reddit sub sub forums, etc?

Definitely needs looking into.

[Chicago1980]

21. Taking their cues from South Dakota?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hotel-owner-ban-native-americans-property-83605871

[flying_wahini]

22. Went to article hoping to see their pictures.

Personally think that these people should have their pictures shown in news reports.
Shame them. It might help them think. And then some jail time and community service.

I know, I sound like an old lady.

[Boomerproud]

27. You sound sane and responsible and emotionally centered to me.

[progressoid]

24. They learned that from their elders.

[Demovictory9]

25. future mass killers

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. Lock them up? For what?

[MerryBlooms]

65. Death threats. Terrorism. For starters.

[Mariana]

68. According to the story, they made no threats. nt.

[Warpy]

33. Locking them up would just harden this bullshit into them.

What needs to be done is convincing them that sending anonymous death threats to anybody is wrong. A hefty fine to be worked off at minimum wage in strenuous community service projects with a side of threatening them and their parents with CPS intervention if they try to skip it might eventually get through to them as they grow up a little more.

If not, they'll be the kind of assholes who end up in jail, anyway.

Mostly, what these high school thugs need is time. Making that time productive while making them too tired to hang with their buddies in that little bigot bubble is a good plan.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

35. They didn't send death threats.

[Turbineguy]

37. Somebody should tell them

Putin is recruitin'

cannonfodder.

[MissMillie]

38. It is a huge leap from "I hate you" or "I'm mad at you" to

"I'm going to kill you."


Takes a special kind of monster to make that leap.

[Mariana]

57. According to the story at the link, they didn't make that leap. nt.

[AllaN01Bear]

40. for years this has been on the back burner and now since his admin , donald ding aling

has enabled this to come to the fore and for one i am sick of it .

[Evolve Dammit]

41. No tolerance for this after all the murders. Nine mass shootings in U.S. last weekend. n/t

[Kali]

43. not much fact presented in that article

is it really outrageous or is it kids talking shit? I sure as hell can't tell from that article. maybe the writer just wants it to create outrage?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

53. Because it's rawstory.

Other reports indicate it was two kids talking shit. And there is a racism problem in the area, as there is everywhere in this shire supremacist country.

[Jedi Guy]

54. The calls to "lock them up" are not surprising, but disappointing nonetheless.

Precisely what words did they use? No doubt some here would (and possibly will) respond with, "Who cares?! They should be locked up!" We should all care because the knee-jerk reaction to speech we dislike, disagree with, or even abhor should not and must not be to lock up the person doing the talking.

If they were discussing a serious plot to bomb the school in order to kill Native American students (e.g., "you go buy the supplies we need, I looked them up online, then I'll meet you tomorrow to build the bombs&quot , then that's illegal on a couple levels. Investigate, gather evidence, bring appropriate charges, and they get their day in court.

If, on the other hand, two teenagers were yapping at each other and one said, "Man, I really hate those Native American students. I wish someone would blow them all up with a bomb" that's protected speech. It's abhorrent and reprehensible speech beyond a doubt, but it is protected under the First Amendment. They have the right to say abhorrent and reprehensible things as long as they don't cross a very specifically defined line. They have the right to hold abhorrent and reprehensible opinions.

[Sympthsical]

55. I never know what "shared on social media" means

Because the initial characterization sounds like two students talking shit to each other over Snapchat, and someone leaked it? Who? Was this a third party?

I guess my question is, did one the students post it himself? Because "received death threats" is a lot different than "private conversation leaked." If someone said they should be bombed in public, we're dealing with something different.

And, in a nation of 330 million, I'm not sure two teenaged shitheads being racist assholes privately is headline news.

"Lock them up" is just Some people really are just full on authoritarian these days.

Obviously parents and school officials need to get together and do something here. But Jesus is this story something. A conversation between two asshole kids? This is my outrage of the day?

If everything I said privately as a teenager was in writing and shown to the world, I would've never been employed.

[Cobalt Violet]

59. Yeah, I'm sure there are Very Fine People on Both Side.

[Sympthsical]

61. Because that's exactly what I said

[live love laugh]

62. Sadly some aren't on "both sides" at all.

[live love laugh]

56. First they came for _____ I was silent.

Then they came for me.

They’re coming for/against everyone who’s not them.

[stopdiggin]

60. who's coming? the putative 'bombers?'

- or the "lock em up" DU crowd?

(Kids talking smack. At least that's what it sounds like. It should certainly be addressed, but ... Do we really start jailing every dumb-assed smart mouth kid in the country?)

[MerryBlooms]

66. Nope, better to let them carry out their

Threats, so there's a real crime. Just like with women who call and call about threats, sorry ma'am, nothing we can do until he beats the hell out of you or kills you. Call back later when there's a real crime. Oh, you're dead? Condolences.

[Mariana]

67. They didn't make threats. nt.

[stopdiggin]

69. And then of course we could always go the route

of just 'preemptively' jailing everybody. No need to wait on anything at all. And of course - "better safe than sorry!"

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