Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:17 PM

So is Putin trying to create a "Third Rome"?

Mussolini tried to make a "Third Rome" (Rome, Holy Roman Empire, Fascist Italy)

Hitler tried to make a "Third Rome" (same same, except with Nazi Germany)

Some nationalistic Orthodox have viewed the idea of a Third Rome, except it being Rome, Byzantine Empire and then Russia

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So is Putin trying to create a "Third Rome"? (Original post)	RFCalifornia	Mar 2022	OP
I had read that he wanted to recreate the old Soviet Union.	CaliforniaPeggy	Mar 2022	#1
That could be part of it	RFCalifornia	Mar 2022	#2
I had not heard that. And I really expect that he will fall flat on his face! He'd better.	CaliforniaPeggy	Mar 2022	#5
Tsar	Mme. Defarge	Mar 2022	#3
Yep. Just like Kaiser	RFCalifornia	Mar 2022	#4
He is not creating the myth of Third Rome, he is reviving it.	Beastly Boy	Mar 2022	#6

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:29 PM

CaliforniaPeggy (142,241 posts)

1. I had read that he wanted to recreate the old Soviet Union.

And Ukraine was part of that.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:30 PM

RFCalifornia (434 posts)

2. That could be part of it

But in his speeches he talks of a "New World Order"

Seems like everyone who says that falls flat on their face

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:31 PM

CaliforniaPeggy (142,241 posts)

5. I had not heard that. And I really expect that he will fall flat on his face! He'd better.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:30 PM

Mme. Defarge (7,308 posts)

3. Tsar

equals Cesar.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:31 PM

RFCalifornia (434 posts)

4. Yep. Just like Kaiser

And I think the last Kaiser had plans for a Third Rome too

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:59 PM

Beastly Boy (4,570 posts)

6. He is not creating the myth of Third Rome, he is reviving it.

It is the old claim of the Russian Orthodoc Church. With the fall of the Byzantine empire to the Turks, the Russian Orthodox rulers declared themselves a successor to Byzantium, thus claiming to be the successor to Rome (Rome- Byzantium- Moscow). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome)

The Muscovite Romanov dynasty had been pushing this concept for centuries, and Putin also became addicted to their Kool-Aid. He imagines it to be his mission to restore the imperial grandure of Mother Russia.

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