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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:17 PM

So is Putin trying to create a "Third Rome"?

Mussolini tried to make a "Third Rome" (Rome, Holy Roman Empire, Fascist Italy)

Hitler tried to make a "Third Rome" (same same, except with Nazi Germany)

Some nationalistic Orthodox have viewed the idea of a Third Rome, except it being Rome, Byzantine Empire and then Russia

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Reply So is Putin trying to create a "Third Rome"? (Original post)
RFCalifornia Mar 2022 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2022 #1
RFCalifornia Mar 2022 #2
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2022 #5
Mme. Defarge Mar 2022 #3
RFCalifornia Mar 2022 #4
Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #6

Response to RFCalifornia (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:29 PM

1. I had read that he wanted to recreate the old Soviet Union.

And Ukraine was part of that.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:30 PM

2. That could be part of it

But in his speeches he talks of a "New World Order"

Seems like everyone who says that falls flat on their face

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Response to RFCalifornia (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:31 PM

5. I had not heard that. And I really expect that he will fall flat on his face! He'd better.

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Response to RFCalifornia (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:30 PM

3. Tsar

equals Cesar.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:31 PM

4. Yep. Just like Kaiser

And I think the last Kaiser had plans for a Third Rome too

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Response to RFCalifornia (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:59 PM

6. He is not creating the myth of Third Rome, he is reviving it.

It is the old claim of the Russian Orthodoc Church. With the fall of the Byzantine empire to the Turks, the Russian Orthodox rulers declared themselves a successor to Byzantium, thus claiming to be the successor to Rome (Rome- Byzantium- Moscow). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome)

The Muscovite Romanov dynasty had been pushing this concept for centuries, and Putin also became addicted to their Kool-Aid. He imagines it to be his mission to restore the imperial grandure of Mother Russia.

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