AND REALLY ANOTHER BOOSTER??? Just asking....

[a kennedy]

[drray23]

1. yes cases are flaring up in europe

Only a matter of time until its here again. I think its going to end up being like the flu where you take a shot once a year.

[dweller]

2. I hope so

Better safe than sorry
68yo here


✌🏻

[MyOwnPeace]

9. I'm with 'ya!

And if we are to be critical of those that opt to not have any or partial, is this the time to be questioning 'the scientists?'

I'm not a 'sheeple' - but I'm also not going to have any serious doubts about the 'reported' suggestions that we do even more to fight the virus. Too many 'names in the paper' of those that thought they knew more than the medical community.

[Ohio Joe]

3. As long as the virus keeps mutating...

Yeah, probably a bunch more.

[FarPoint]

4. Absolutely.....

Vaccine has gotten us this far....

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. My SO and I just got our 4th shot or 2nd booster.

Not taking chances.

[MontanaMama]

17. Did you have any reaction/side effects?

I am curious if it’s any different from the other vaccines.

[DFW]

46. My wife and I got our second boosters exactly two weeks ago

My wife had mild symptoms for a day. I had nothing. The shingles shot was far worse.

[SergeStorms]

52. I had the first Shingrix shot....

and was down for three days.

They keep hounding me to get the second shot, but when I got the first shot they told me the second shot was the worse of the two. I don't know if I'm going to even get the second shot since the first one made me so sick.

I've never had a reaction to any of the three COVID shots.

[DFW]

54. We'll get the second one, but we're ready for the misery

It will probably mean me staying home for three or four days, which will probably make headlines. Except for then we visit the USA, I don't spend four days in a row in the same country EVER.

[dumbcat]

68. The second Shingles shot surprised me

I have never gotten a reaction to any shots other than a sore arm at the injection site. The second Shingles shot was different, felt like crap the whole next day. Luckily it was just that one day for me. Hope it's not too bad for you.

[mcar]

72. I've had shingles

which is why I got the shingles vaccine. Yes, the second shot sucked. But shingles is way worse.

[Mariana]

74. Go talk to some people who've had Shingles

before you make that decision. It's a pretty sure bet that they were much more miserable, and for a much longer time than three days.

[Delphinus]

56. I have had

my first Shingrix shot - no reaction other than my arm was so sore for days. Ouch!

[SergeStorms]

62. My sore sore arm was the least.....

uncomfortable aspect of the shot. It felt like the flu, only worse. I couldn't get out of bed, except for short periods of time, for three days. Not a pleasant experience at all. 🥵

[Delphinus]

63. Yikes!

I am grateful I didn't have that. I hope you have fully recovered.

[Eliot Rosewater]

81. My SO

Had no symptoms from the vaccine and I’ve had mild symptoms like the first booster but nothing big.

I’ve also had both shingles vaccines and I’m reading people here having terrible reactions to that which surprises me because I don’t recall having any reaction or very little but that just means I have a week immune system I think.

Important to note that my vaccines have all been Pfizer and my understanding is Moderna is a stronger vaccine and you will have a stronger reaction at least that’s what I’ve heard.

[USALiberal]

96. Based on age?

[Eliot Rosewater]

99. I assume partly but we have heart disease so I answered yes on the online

form to weakened immune system.

I hear today that a 4th shot is ok for anyone over 50 as of today.

[USALiberal]

100. Thanks for the info, glad you got it!! Nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

101. And each shot I had a less and less reaction as in symptoms.

Pfizer, in my case and while I never had a BAD reaction, I did feel crappy each time for a bit but this last one was very little.

[USALiberal]

102. That is good new , I got Pfizer too! Nt

[blue neen]

6. So what? Just saying...

[hlthe2b]

55. My reaction as well. If a booster was necessary every four months, I would do it.

Of course, I've seen one of my hospital's 28th patient die from COVID, so I guess that is just me --and I don't mind wearing masks since I've done so my entire career. Naturally, that is too much to ask of the general public--to protect their damned lives.

Perhaps some might think of what it is like in developing nations with zero opportunity for vaccines or quality face masks.

[Irish_Dem]

7. I just got my 4th shot.

[USALiberal]

58. Based on what?

[markpkessinger]

107. I'll be more than happy to get my fourth, fifth or sixth shot . . .

. . . or as many as it takes to get through this!

[Ocelot II]

8. Soon as they OK it, I'm off to Walgreens...

[Deuxcents]

36. Me, too. I get all my shots at Walgreens..

Boosters may have to be like our flu shots every year. I’m ok with it. These shots are not a cure..none of them are but if it keeps me from getting deathly ill from these viruses, I’ll sign up.

[Flaleftist]

10. Yes. I wish I had invested in Phizer a couple years ago.

Look at all that profit despite our tax money paying for the research.

[Celerity]

77. Pfizer was not part of Operation Warp Speed research. Trump always tries to lie and say they were.

[mahina]

11. Where do I sign up?

Kidding. I’ll find it. But you do you! Whatever

[maxsolomon]

12. ANOTHER flu shot?

I just got one last year!

[CrackityJones75]

25. Actually yes I have gotten it after the shot.

And I still get it. But the flu shot is a bit different than the covid booster in that they basically have to make an educated guess as to which flu strains to offer in the shot.

[Johnny2X2X]

31. Covid vaccines are more effective than flu vaccines

Seriously, what is this garbage? No vaccine is 100% effective. And with highly contagious viruses like the flu and Covid, that’s doubly so.

[Johnny2X2X]

34. Some years flu vaccines are less than 40% effective

With the flu they guess what might be the dominant strain that year. Covid vaccines are still way more effective than that, even against omicron.

The Covid vaccines are a miracle and have saved millions of lives.

[NewHendoLib]

13. We are reaching an all time high in contentless contextless posts. Come on, folks - why so lazy?

[elias7]

14. Why don't you check out the childhood immunization schedule?

You might be surprised, as well as maybe become a little more patient with our immune systems, which typically take 4 shoots over 2 years to give us adequate immunity to a whole host of things you’ve never had,

[CrackityJones75]

27. wow. Lots of garbage in this post.

[CrackityJones75]

37. It literally is the only thing I could come up with.

Your post was like drinking from the firehose of wrongness.

[greenjar_01]

38. CHILLING EFFECT

[yardwork]

66. I love this post so much!

Can I steal "like drinking from the firehose of wrongness?"

[CrackityJones75]

82. Of course!

[marybourg]

40. You might want to have a look at this page from the AZ Covid Dashboard

which compares vaccinated, boosted, unvaccinated and unboosted rates of illness, hospitalizations and deaths for various age groups.

For those who don’t want to look: the unvaxxed, unboosted folks have had 180x times the rate of death as the vaxxed, & boosted folks in AZ.

https://azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf?v=20220302d fol

[Bev54]

15. Yes and so, other vaccines require multiple doses

I have no problem with it. If it is going to save lives, especially my own, then I will do it, just as I do other things to keep good health.

[greenjar_01]

16. Do we have any data about the protection against severe illness from previous infection

We know previous infection doesn't protect you from reinfection. But we also know the vaccine and boosters don't protect you from infection. So the vaccines and boosters are now marketed as protecting against severe disease. But we never hear (or, better, I've never seen) data about the protection from severe disease provided by previous infection, if any. In theory, previous infection should provide protection from severe disease similar to vaccination. Do we know anything about it? Where are our experts on this?

[Tomconroy]

26. Dr. Topol has tweeted about this. If you have PI you don't need

three shots. I can't remember if you need one or two. But you can probably google his tweets if you are interested.

[Wahyee]

18. Bring it on!

[thucythucy]

19. Seriously, does a single needle jab every three or four

or six months really bother you that much?

I have friends with serious health issues getting jabbed for blood work and various medications six or eight or a dozen times a week.

Know anybody in dialysis? Have you tried moaning to them about getting a three second jab every three to six months?

Just asking.

[hamsterjill]

65. Yes.

Severe needle phobe here. You obviously have no idea about how bad it can be for some people.

But, hey, thanks for all of that compassion you express. Really becoming on a Democratic message board.

[thucythucy]

85. The OP said nothing about severe needle phobia.

I sympathize with anyone with any sort of phobia, but there was nothing in the OP that indicated that was the issue. In fact, toward the bottom of the thread he or she or they say, basically, okay, another shot it is. Which indicates to me it was simply the inconvenience that was at the heart of the complaint.

And just so you know, I have an intense aversion to blood. Unfortunately, my health issues require rather frequent blood work. And as I indicated, my close circle includes folks who would absolutely love it if all they had to worry about was an extra shot every four or five or six months.

If you personally have a severe needle phobia I hope you can get the treatment you need to deal with it so that your health isn't otherwise jeopardized.

[hamsterjill]

90. My reply was to your post; not the OP.

I felt your post was taking the needle phobia - which about 13% of the population has - a little too casually.

Thank you for your reply. It is a real issue and yes, I work with my doctor to deal with it.

[thucythucy]

94. Hi again.

I apologize, it wasn't my intent to minimize needle phobia. I can certainly see your point. In the future I'll try to be less caustic, or maybe more explicit as to where my snark is coming from and to whom it is directed. And I'm not trying to be snarky now--is there an emoji that means "no snark intended"?

Part of my response came from hearing from friends and students I know with co-morbidities who are really stressed out by the dropping of all the mandates. They feel--and I share both the vulnerability and the feeling--that first, it's now up to them to be even more careful and stressed out about their safety and second, that society is basically telling them--"too bad this could kill you but wearing a mask or getting another shot is just SOOO hard on me." So when the OP asked, "a fourth shot, really?" as if this was just such a horrid imposition, I'm afraid I let my sensitivity around all this get the best of me.

Just as an instance, I have a dear friend who can't get boosted because she's in the middle of her chemotherapy. If she gets the booster she risks a catastrophic reaction to the vaccine. If she gets Covid she's dead, end of story. And so she's been under virtual house arrest, afraid to go anywhere or do anything for fear of running into someone who is unmasked and/or un-vaccinated. At least with the mandates she felt people had her back. As she put it, "Now it's like the whole world is telling me, 'Sucks to be you.'"

Anyway, I'm ranting now. Ugh!

Best of luck with the phobia. Like I say I have problems with blood, though these don't rise to the level of a phobia. I just get the spins and pass out if I don't take a few precautions. Also, I can't do slasher flicks and such, but this is no big deal. The one issue I have that approaches anywhere near phobia is fear of heights, so I can partially relate to your circumstance.

Best wishes.

[Hoyt]

22. Won't wait long for mine. I'm sure rubes will see it as more evidence vaccines

don’t help or make much difference. Such is life in the 21st century.

[3catwoman3]

23. I would cheerfully get boosted...

...once a month if so advised by Dr. Fauci and other experts in immunology and infectious diseases.

[relayerbob]

24. Fine by me, I'll take a double

[Patterson]

28. If that's what it takes.

[Baked Potato]

29. Bring it!

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

33. Sorry for the inconvenience...

nt

[LisaM]

35. One of the medical people on the talk shows..

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Guy based in Minneapolis, grey hair, name escapes me, said that in his opinion, it really should have been a three-part shot to begin with, and that the fourth shot is really the booster.

If so, then I hope the fourth shot curbs the surge.

[iemanja]

45. Michael Osterholm

Epidemiologist and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

[LisaM]

49. Yes, thank you.

I was in the car and if I exit DU to look something up the thread closes up.

[ismnotwasm]

41. So what we are going to do in my hospital

For our immunosuppressed population (I’m a transplant RN) is give monoclonal antibodies in a intramuscular injection. Two minute push, 3 cc’s one in each hip. Not looking forward to it, but those folks can’t build enough immunity. I have renewed intense irritation at anti-vaxxers right now

[flamingdem]

42. Get your antibodies tested

You might be okay. Know someone in their 90s and theirs are sky high still.

[smirkymonkey]

43. I don't have a problem with this.

It doesn't bother me at all. I get my vaccinations when they are due (flu, pneumonia, Covid, Shingles, etc) and I have not been sick in years. I prefer to err on the side of caution.

[Arkansas Granny]

44. If it becomes necessary, this old gal will roll up her sleeve and get in line.

I will also mask up in public, avoid crowds and practice social distancing. That seems a small price to pay to protect myself and those around me.

[myohmy2]

47. If...

...you don't want one, don't get one...

...it'll mean the wait in line will be shorter for those of us who do...

...I'm always ready for a good boost...

[Hekate]

48. Sign me up. The only vaxx I've ever had a problem with was Shingrex (shingles) which knocked ...

… me on my butt for 4 days. If the COVID vaxx ever did that I’d still take it as an alternative to ending up on a vent for my 75th birthday.

This virus mutates so fast it’s like some alien being, and it really is not done with humanity yet. I’m hopeful that the science guys can give us updated vaccines on a regular basis.

[we can do it]

50. Better than wrecked lungs🙄

[BlueLucy]

51. No one is forcing you are they?

What's wrong with getting one every 4-5 months if it saves your life?

[FreepFryer]

53. Oh please. Take that shit to Facebook (Nt)

[Celerity]

57. A third booster (5th jab)? Unless our experimental trial asks for it, we are passing for now.

The doctors said that the antibody counts will no longer be our most important driver of defence soon, that our B Cells, T Helper Cells and T Killer Cells are extremely robust and far longer lasting.

The 2nd booster we received (all 4 were variant tweaked, the first 2 for Beta, then a Delta boost initially) 5 weeks ago was for the Omicron BA.1 strain, so we are not overly worried at all.

We are not going to go into a perm 'every 5 months a new experimental jab' mode, barring some crazy new super variants.

We no longer mask, have not for some time. Sweden dropped basically all requirements weeks and weeks ago and hardly anyone here ever really masked to any large degree, other than the initial Omicron wave. There never was a mask mandate here, other than things like flying, due to international requirements.

We club (going out tonight to a killer techno show, woot woot), we dine out at our leisure now, we are not going back into a shell, barring some super variant. We simply follow the science, always have, always will.

We have no new surge here, either in cases or deaths, post doing away with most requirements and post Omicron case surge.

Life here is pretty much back to normal. Our vax rates and natural social distancing rates are much higher than the US, which has also aided greatly, plus a massively smaller percentage of QMAGAt types.

[Karma13612]

70. No, this is the 4th jab (2nd booster) they are talking about

I will get the recommended jabs as I qualify in my category. At 68 years old, and on Medicare, I will be first in line for my 4th jab (booster #2) when the CDC gives the OK, and MCR covers it.

Prior to this, the 4th jab, #2 booster was being recommended for those immunocompromised. From what I can see, this announcement is to broaden the eligibility to include those aged 50 and over, regardless of immunocompromise status.

It’s hard to keep up, I know.

[Celerity]

75. Oh, oki. We (Sweden) have been giving the 2nd Booster (4th jab) since November/December for some.

We had to wait for the Moderna Omicron variant-tweaked jab (mRNA-1273.529) to be shipped for our experimental investigation trial.

We had very little reaction to it, basically the same as the initial 2 Beta variant jabs (mRNA-1273.351) we received over a year ago or so.

The delta-tweaked jab (mRNA-1273.617) was a bloody nightmare reaction for around a day and half, then all symptoms poofed, thank fuck.

All 4 jabs were the max 100 µg dosage, so we got the full load of juice every time, lol.

We also had completely asymptomatic origin strain Covid back in April 2020, so now we have had 5 immune response triggering/strengthening events.

[Thtwudbeme]

60. ?

So? What is your point?

Come teach with me for a couple of days in middle school. You'll have your sleeve rolled up pretty damned fast.

[dwayneb]

61. Why not? If it is required, of course I'd welcome a Covid booster

After all we get a flu shot every year. Thus is no different, other than the virulence and risk of fatal consequences so much higher that we have to be even more aggressive with this novel coronavirus than with the flu.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

64. I'd gladly get the shot in my eyeball.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time that I got an injection in an eye.

The vaccine shots in my arms have been easy.

[MineralMan]

67. I'm in.

[mcar]

69. Great news, isn't it?

[Karma13612]

71. Yea, as soon as MCR says they will cover it, I'm all in.

I HATE shots, but getting severe disease is a LOT worse.

[ChazII]

73. When it time

for my 4th I would like to try Moderna as all the others injections have been Pfizer.

[MineralMan]

76. Uh, yes. You dropped this in GD, but never came back

to chat with those who responded. Why is that?

Nobody will require you to take an additional booster. Nope. However, if such boosters are offered, many people will be eager to protect themselves further. I will be one of those.

There wasn't really any content in your original post. Just the question, which you apparently weren't interested in having answered by DUers.

Odd...

[a kennedy]

78. Here ya go......if it's suggested we get another booster shot.....so be it, I'll be getting it.

[MineralMan]

79. To be frank, you could have said that in your original post.

[hamsterjill]

80. Nope.

I don’t buy the continuing argument that the same vaccine is needed for a changing virus. The argument that the flu vaccine is needed yearly makes sense to me because the vaccine is modified for that year’s strain. But to my knowledge, the COVID vaccines have not changed from the original ones.

I am vaxxed and boosted and not trying to influence anyone. But I’m not getting boosters forever.

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

87. Why don't you buy the argument?

What’s the evidence that backs up your assertion?

[hamsterjill]

91. Because of what I said.

The vaccine has not been modified TO MY KNOWLEDGE since the original formulation. The flu vaccine is so often used as an example of a vaccine that is required yearly. But the flu vaccine is changed yearly to address a specific strain.


I’m not looking to provide evidence for anyone else to judge and clearly state that. It’s a decision that I’ve made for myself and has no bearing on anyone else.

[USALiberal]

98. Then why post here?

[hamsterjill]

106. Because I felt like it.

Good enough? I am expressing my point of view. That should not bother anyone.

[USALiberal]

97. Why?

[DemocraticPatriot]

83. You got a problem with another booster ?

Just asking.

[Strelnikov_]

104. Troll n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

84. You're recommended to get a flu vaccine every year (n/t)

[LuckyCharms]

86. I'd personally get them every week if required.

I have to get bloodwork done so frequently, that it borders on the absurd. I've actually grown to look forward to the needles. You have to adopt that attitude if you get stuck as much as I do.

There are a few legitimate reasons for people not wanting to get the vaccine. A major one is needle phobia, which is no joke, and which many people have. Each of us probably has some phobia. Mine is fear of heights. Phobias are not just a mild fear of something, they can be debilitating and cause health threatening panic attacks. There are probably several medical reasons for people not getting vaccinated as well.

That being said...I feel that if you do not have a valid reason for not getting the vaccine, get the goddamn vaccine(s) already. No matter how many it takes. Consider yourself lucky that you do not have a reason not to get it, do the right thing for society, don't whine, and get the shot(s). (my comments are not directed at you personally, OP).

[a kennedy]

88. "my comments are not directed at you personally, OP". Whew, thanks.

and I’ll get it if it is recommended.

[LuckyCharms]

89. I understand.

I was contributing to the discussion only, and I didn't really read every comment in the thread, so I never made the assumption that you would not get the booster.

Listen, I have friends that did not get the shot(s) for the oddest bullshit reasons, they got Covid, and under the circumstances as they explained them to me, they most likely spread it to other people. So, I'm pissed about that and was expressing my opinion on the matter.

[Iris]

92. Sign me up

[nini]

93. I'm still amazed at how many still don't understand the science

Of course there will be a need as long as variants are happening causing more spreading of this virus.

[helpisontheway]

95. I'm ready..nt

[Strelnikov_]

103. Why?

[Emile]

105. I think it's a good idea. Sign me up!