Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
"defence is not escalation." (Original Post) ColinC Mar 2022 OP
THANK YOU!!!!! onecaliberal Mar 2022 #1
Ukraine has every right to reduce Moscow to rubble dalton99a Mar 2022 #2
K&R DLevine Mar 2022 #3
kinda' depends on who's doing the defending stopdiggin Mar 2022 #4
That should be obvious... LiberatedUSA Mar 2022 #5
A thought..... Bayard Mar 2022 #6
Not to mention . . . Richard D Mar 2022 #7
Putin wants to make war on Ukrainians in their own country, but expects them Chainfire Mar 2022 #8
Exactly Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #9
I don't think this is quite like Pearl Harbor and then nuking Japan IronLionZion Mar 2022 #10
Oh, Come On... GB_RN Mar 2022 #11
Yes, because Nazis hate Russians so much IronLionZion Mar 2022 #14
Well, The OG Nazis Did... GB_RN Mar 2022 #15
Ukraine's been asking for more than defensive weapons. Igel Mar 2022 #12
It's hard for me to believe Ukraine can properly defend themselves ColinC Mar 2022 #16
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Mar 2022 #13

dalton99a

(81,065 posts)
2. Ukraine has every right to reduce Moscow to rubble
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:51 AM
Mar 2022


It is a shame that it does not have such capability


 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
5. That should be obvious...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 12:18 PM
Mar 2022

…but having watched the gun self defense debate for a couple of decades, some do in fact see defense as escalation.

Bayard

(21,805 posts)
6. A thought.....
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

What if Ukraine received weapons/missiles that could reach Russia? Would the Russian people then figure out they've been lied to by Putin?

Richard D

(8,693 posts)
7. Not to mention . . .
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:33 PM
Mar 2022

Putin will almost certainly go unpunished, though he is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands.

Chainfire

(17,305 posts)
8. Putin wants to make war on Ukrainians in their own country, but expects them
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:35 PM
Mar 2022

to respect his borders. Is he on dope?

IronLionZion

(45,256 posts)
10. I don't think this is quite like Pearl Harbor and then nuking Japan
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:08 PM
Mar 2022

Russia was never under any threat from Ukraine for anything. People existing is not a threat. That could apply to conservatives who hate that certain types of people exist.

GB_RN

(2,267 posts)
11. Oh, Come On...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:14 PM
Mar 2022

Putin was absolutely, personally threatened by, and in fear for his life from all those million, bajillion Nazis in Ukraine! 😂

Igel

(35,191 posts)
12. Ukraine's been asking for more than defensive weapons.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:23 PM
Mar 2022

NATO's been pretty consistent.

They have to defend themselves to victory. But since that means not really being able to take back territory once the Russians are dug in, this means "offenses" are mostly wage low-level "clear this village" or "cut off supplies so this given troop formation can't defend itself when attacked with anti-armor weapons, some artillery, and infantry."

Every time I hear a politician saying that what's *really* important is "to stop the fighting," I wonder why they weren't saying that in fall 1942. Instead they weren't calling for ending hostilities but winning.

Personally, I'd think that peace negotiations--serious ones--should start after Voronez and Rostov-na-Donu have been slammed with 3 weeks' heavy bombardment and the hryvnia's been introduced as the currency in Belgorod and Taganrog. (A good down payment would be to have the Kerch' bridge hit by a few missiles.)

Then again, I'm not feeling very pacifist these days.

ColinC

(8,227 posts)
16. It's hard for me to believe Ukraine can properly defend themselves
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 07:27 PM
Mar 2022

...without the things they need. The blockade over mariupol will likely not be broken with what Ukraine currently has. And the more people that starve to death, the less likely in my opinion, not sending them what they ask for is justified.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»"defence is not escalatio...