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[deRien]

1. I stopped watching

because she had Glen Greenwald on...

[wcmagumba]

2. Don't care for her particularly, leans too Sanders and libertarian for my tastes...nt

[vanlassie]

3. The transcript shows a nuance that your description does not...

https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/25/yanis_varoufakis_biden_give_putin_exit

[SMC22307]

5. Thanks for sharing that link. Exactly what I figured. (n/t)

[Demsrule86]

9. I don't see the nuance...just pro-putin guy with ties to Russian most likely

[jrthin]

18. I listened too and failed to hear the nuance.

[al bupp]

25. I agree, Yanis makes some points that are worthy of consideration

As much as I detest what Putin has done, perhaps backing him into a corner is not the best strategy. Here's the key quote from the interview:

AMY GOODMAN: So, explain this further. You’re saying Biden should be sitting down with Putin, that Biden represents the United States, the world’s largest superpower, and could lead to a ceasefire. What isn’t he doing?

YANIS VAROUFAKIS: That. Look, I wish — as a European and a Europeanist and internationalist, I wish the European Union existed in substance, so that, you know, the president of the European Union could be sitting down with Putin. But we don’t have that. The European Union is a disunion, really. So, Biden is the only representative of NATO, of the West at the moment. I’m not going to pass judgment on the gentleman. He is, however, the only one who can sit down with Putin. They can talk on the phone, to begin with, before they actually sit down. Their foreign ministers will have to come to these exchanges.

But the idea must be really very simple: Putin must be given a golden bridge from which to escape his conundrum. He must be given something he can sell to his own people as mission accomplished. The only thing we can do, as democrats and internationalists, we should be able to tolerate, is the neutrality of the Ukraine, because this is a tiny, tiny, nonexistent price to pay for ending the war, having Russian troops evacuate the Ukraine, some kind of arrangement to be established for the Donbas area — we could kick into the long grass the question of Crimea; it could be shelved, something to be discussed in 10 years or so — in order to stop the killing and to stop the toxicity which is spreading from Ukraine across Europe, across the United States. I’ve been hearing senators in the United States, members of parliament of various European countries calling for NATO to intervene — because we know what that will mean. It will mean that the nuclear threat is going to reach levels that we haven’t seen since the Cuban Missile Crisis. We should be moving towards a rational solution that will leave everybody slightly dissatisfied — the Ukrainians, the Russians, me, you, Biden, Putin — but which will end the killing and will lead to an independent, democratic Ukraine.

[jcgoldie]

26. Bunch of fucking bullshit

Blaming Biden for not appeasing Putin who initiated an irrational and unprovoked war. That quote is a stones throw from dumbass Trumpers who swallow Putin's rationalizations for aggression and blame Joe Biden. Pretty shameful for Goodman not to call that what it is and I have always liked what she does.

[SMC22307]

4. Who was "some guy"? I'd like to listen to the interview. (n/t)

[Demsrule86]

6. I don't care for her or her show...anti-Democratic Party often.

[Crunchy Frog]

7. Yes, I watched most of that interview.

A hot mess, but didn't strike me as being terribly out of character for that show.

[RussBLib]

8. anything can be overdone

including "progressivism"

Amy is usually great, but she has indeed chastised Dems before. She covers the whole spectrum.

[murielm99]

10. You know that 'Democracy Now"

is left-leaning. Listen with that in mind.

I used to consider myself a person on the left. I was not able to continue listening to her. I found her too extreme.

There are plenty of opposing opinions about BS. Research some of those opinions, and consider the sources of those opinions. There are plenty of solid Democrats who have never cared for Sanders. Since I would like to be able to continue posting on DU, I will keep my opinions to myself. I have seen good people leave DU over this topic.

Have you Googled Progressive International? I have a feeling you are smart enough to do some of the research and figure out how you feel about this organization and Sanders' partnership in it. Is Sanders deeply involved in this? Or, has he loaned his name to something he may now have reservations about doing?

I don't know. I supported Buttigeig and and Biden. Maybe after Biden has retired, our country will be grown up enough to support an openly gay President.

[Emile]

11. I find her very informative. Some will find her offensive because she interviewed Bernie

once or twice.

[walkingman]

12. I like Amy Goodman and her delivery style. I never thought of her as a pundit but

more of a moderator. I didn't see the show mentioned but don't agree with the idea that Biden wanted regime change (although it would be nice) - in fact not sure where that is coming from. I don't watch the show that often but am a long time KPFT supporter from the Houston Montrose days so I generally check it out a few times a week.

[hlthe2b]

13. Years ago I was fan of "the Nation" publication as well--until Katrina vanden Heuvel turned it over

(essentially) to her Putin-loving Russia apologist husband. (Yes, I'm aware that she has since stepped down, but I don't think he's gone away). While I still like Chris Hayes, he too came up working with that venerable publication, and on occasion, he walks the line a bit too finely.

As for Goodman, I haven't watched in some time and never really did regularly, but if she is moving in that direction, I'm saddened.

[L. Coyote]

14. Lost respect for her and the show because of Bernie support.

Too alike Jill Stein for me now, not helping one bit.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Blame America First is a thing on her end of the spectrum

Anyone who is more exercised over the expansion of a defensive alliance that has never unilaterally attacked any sovereign nation, and whose democratically elected governments chose to apply for membership, than they are over the fact that ordinary Russian citizens can be sentenced to 15 years in prison for calling the invasion of Ukraine a war is out of their fucking mind.

[Kaleva]

16. She'd be at home at JPR IMO.

[jalan48]

17. I like her. As far as I know she's not beholden to big corporate sponsors.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. The American president doesn't get to dictate the foreign policy of sovereign nations

No matter who he or she is.

[JohnSJ]

20. I don't like her. She has been pushing anti-Democratic party talking points for some time now

and recently taking the DSA position that NATO is why poor Putin invaded Ukraine

[BoomaofBandM]

21. I just started to watch her a few months ago, then had to get away from all news for my sanity.

Its a shame if this is what they are endorsing.

[Downtown Hound]

22. She's great on many things but she does fall into that whole

It's always America's fault line of thinking that is all too common among hard core progressives. I'll be the first to agree that America is guilty of some serious shit. I'll even agree that we've made mistakes with Russia.

But the problem with her and with many who think like her is they act no other country is ever guilty of anything, or if they do they downplay it and say something like, "Yes but, remember when America...(insert atrocity, crime, misguided policy, whatever). Basically, even though they don't want to admit it, they are always justifying or downplaying aggression by other countries and saying they're only acting that way because we made them, and they're just misunderstood.

Russia under Putin clearly has goals of getting the old band back together (the USSR). The trouble is, the old band has moved on and doesn't want to come back, and Russia has no problem killing however any people it takes to achieve its dream. People like Goodman would say they are acting this way because they fear the U.S. and NATO expansion.

What she doesn't want to acknowledge is that these countries want to join NATO because they're afraid of Russia, and why wouldn't they be? Russia has a dismal civil rights record. Opponents of Putin disappear or fall out of windows. Gays are murdered by paramilitary groups. People are thrown in prison for speaking out.

But mention any of these things to Goodman or anyone who thinks like her, their response is likely to be, "Yeah, well, but America (insert atrocity, crime, misguided policy)".

It gets old.

[pecosbob]

23. In Houston the KKK bombed the Pacifica Network radio transmitter twice when I was a teen

Pacifica was the first public radio network in the United States and it is the world's oldest listener-funded radio network. I began listening in the 1970s. One of my favorite programs was Bill Moyer's Journal. Pacifica was a source of honest news in a sea of misinformation from our government and media. From listening to the national media, one might never have known there was a twenty-five year long war in East Timor waged By Shell Oil. Democracy Now began in 2001 and over the years has had a lot of controversial people on the show, including some who have been discredited among the progressive community such as Greenwald, Varoufakis and Stein. Bottom line is that they were soft on Wikileaks and Assange.

The program combines news reporting, interviews, investigative journalism and political commentary, with a focus on peace activism linked to environmental justice and social justice, guided by the ethics of ecofeminism as a philosophy. It documents social movements, struggles for justice, activism challenging corporate power and operates as a watchdog outfit regarding the effects of American foreign policy. Democracy Now views as its aim to give activists and the citizenry a platform to debate people from "The Establishment". The show is described as progressive by fans as well as critics, but Goodman rejects that label, calling the program a global newscast that has "people speaking for themselves".

Bottom line is that while the program host some voices which are distasteful to many of us like Raph Nader, they regularly give a platform to others many of us respect such as Noam Chomsky, Mumia Abdul Jamal, Angela Davis and Arundhati Roy.

In a sea of right-wing misinformation, we need all the amplification we can get.

Just for the record Goodman was arrested while covering both the 2008 Republican convention and the Standing Rock protests.

[broiles]

24. Love her, met her, and donate to the show.