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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:28 AM Mar 2022

Sometimes the truth is so embarrassing and so damaging that it must be hidden...

That is what the Republican Party is doing today. There is no way for them to explain a 7 1/2 hour gap in Trump's call logs on January 6th. There is no way for many of them to explain their actions leading up to the attack upon our Capitol. It is extremely embarrassing for them. And for some of them, it could be extremely politically damaging for them.

The truth is so awful that the Republican Party has no choice but to cover it up. Otherwise, it would be like cutting off their noses to spite their face.

That is why there can be no full "bi-partisan" investigation. There are simply not enough Republicans, that are not damaged or embarrassed, to get the job done. They would prefer to sweep it under the rug, cover it up, and forget it ever happened.

That is the reality we must deal with.

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Sometimes the truth is so embarrassing and so damaging that it must be hidden... (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2022 OP
Yep Ohioboy Mar 2022 #1
I think if republicans win the house, democratic house will immediately name a jimfields33 Mar 2022 #3
That's a good thought. I hope so. nt GoodRaisin Mar 2022 #20
Why not do it NOW? n/t rambler_american Mar 2022 #39
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #2
yes, massive scandals. And I believe there are power brokers and even some dems who don't wiggs Mar 2022 #4
I suspect you are correct. kentuck Mar 2022 #5
Which makes it the BEST time to do it! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Mar 2022 #28
The rot needs to be excised from the body politic or it will die. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #34
I believe you nailed it perfectly... MiHale Mar 2022 #36
Sad thing is... 2Gingersnaps Mar 2022 #40
The news media will spend ten times more talking about what Biden said and the doc03 Mar 2022 #6
And in the meantime, CBS hired Mick Mulvaney as a talking head. 2Gingersnaps Mar 2022 #41
Paragraph 3 is "the awful truth". Cracklin Charlie Mar 2022 #7
Not to mention if all actually involved were forced out, they'd have few left Lettuce Be Mar 2022 #8
Truth is stranger than fiction bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #9
I find it hard to consider reading/watching any political thriller right now. erronis Mar 2022 #18
Politically damaging? Bev54 Mar 2022 #10
I don't assume for a minute they are capable of embarrassment. That is for suckers and losers. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #11
And once again, Republicans are somehow declared immune calimary Mar 2022 #12
Hopefully this doesn't get swept under the carpet like the bankster fraud of 2008. jalan48 Mar 2022 #13
The so called respectable Republicans, Susan Collins, comes to mind, aren't very respectable, not ShazamIam Mar 2022 #14
Collins has played a horrible role - pretending concern but being deep in the problem. erronis Mar 2022 #16
She sucks. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #33
Lock him up, lock them all up, FFS! They can't keep getting away with it! LymphocyteLover Mar 2022 #15
Wonder if we'll see a mass set of (r)epuglcon resignations and church-going, family-caring. erronis Mar 2022 #17
The possibility of cooperation on this issue is ZERO. GOP silence tells all. Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #19
Totally agree. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #32
Notable Rs that may burn down gaskinite Mar 2022 #21
I think Meadows will turn on Trump to save himself. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #31
This is not good for us that these people are getting away with it. NOT good. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #22
The easy solution: SeattleVet Mar 2022 #23
The people who called him may have used burners also. llmart Mar 2022 #24
And EVERYBODY knows it too, even GQP supporters BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #25
Agree. Bottom line though - they "won" again cuz there isn't a single Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #27
This cannot stand! We must learn who Trump was talking to during this critical period Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #29
Well according to McCarthy he called and talked to him. Maybe McCarthy could give us the Emile Mar 2022 #30
The only way everything you said can become true is if Democrats engage in a very aggressive Escurumbele Mar 2022 #35
I would say the cover-up began the day that Trump first took office Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #37
You are correct. kentuck Mar 2022 #38

jimfields33

(15,682 posts)
3. I think if republicans win the house, democratic house will immediately name a
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:34 AM
Mar 2022

Independent special prosecutor to do a full investigation.

wiggs

(7,809 posts)
4. yes, massive scandals. And I believe there are power brokers and even some dems who don't
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:38 AM
Mar 2022

want the world's #1 perceived democracy knee-capped by deep, pernicious, exposed scandal, greed, corruption carried out over the last several elections. Not necessarily because they are part of the planning and implementation but because the truth would be so damaging that the US would be diminished as a super power and positive influencer of world events.

Democracy, justice, and capitalism have been so easily corrupted by people of bad faith...not the best message going forward.

I believe the GOP could disappear entirely if fully exposed...faith in institutions more reduced from even our low point...and if you're the world's only current super power upsetting the apple cart leads to global uncertainty.

I imagine there's a lot of reluctance, even on the part of well-meaning officials, to go down that path.

MiHale

(9,664 posts)
36. I believe you nailed it perfectly...
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:00 AM
Mar 2022

Thank you, you have put into words exactly what I believe and have a hard time to communicate.

The absolute rage I feel about this inserts words and emotions that are best not put into print.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
40. Sad thing is...
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:26 AM
Mar 2022

Who actually is really, really unaware? Our NATO allies? They had to keep a straight face and deal with that inept clown. Our competitors? (China) Always planning deep into the future, they smiled upon their good fortune. Russia? They manipulated and encouraged their "partner" in our division, humiliation, and decent into madness.

So Mitch, Kevin, and company made the big power grab...behind the Emperor with no clothes. And now it is "nothing to see here, please make it go away." And all the nutters deeply concerned with "meh freedoms" so eager to take others freedoms are still doing battle for their bullshit culture wars. Call "don't say gay" what it is, "back in the closet or die, right to bully" bill.......for Kindergarten to third grade for God's sake. Torment and terrorize kids who don't even know what the adults are going nuts about.

doc03

(35,295 posts)
6. The news media will spend ten times more talking about what Biden said and the
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:42 AM
Mar 2022

Will Smith/ Chris Rock BS than 7 1/2 hours of missing phone records.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
41. And in the meantime, CBS hired Mick Mulvaney as a talking head.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

With, you know, budget expertise in why Trickle Down really, really works. Remind me again, wasn't he a back bench Congressman of no particular skill before he went to work for the guy who hires the best people, like Mark Meadows, another back bencher of no particular skill? Freedumb Caucus alumni?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. Paragraph 3 is "the awful truth".
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:44 AM
Mar 2022

Just as it was through TFG’s entire “political” career.

They’re so corrupt and gross. Nasty.

Lettuce Be

(2,336 posts)
8. Not to mention if all actually involved were forced out, they'd have few left
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:16 PM
Mar 2022

They would lose a huge number. Not surprising they will fight to the bitter end to stave off this. Our government is in serious trouble.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
9. Truth is stranger than fiction
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:18 PM
Mar 2022

but sometimes fiction nails it pretty close. Robert Ludlum's Apocalypse Watch is a great book where terrorists worldwide align amid corruption and alliance with our political system. They catch the crooks, it's a novel of course, but most just walk away because it's too hot to handle. It was supposed to be made into a movie, but got axed supposedly by budgets during the Great Recession. Now they couldn't make it I don't think, it would be too much of a hot potato.

erronis

(15,180 posts)
18. I find it hard to consider reading/watching any political thriller right now.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:20 PM
Mar 2022

I'm sated, over-stuffed with our past few years and the ongoing (r)epuglicon corruption.

Maybe a nice fairy-tale where everything is coming up roses?

Bev54

(10,038 posts)
10. Politically damaging?
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:25 PM
Mar 2022
"And for some of them, it could be extremely politically damaging for them".


For some, I expect, it could be criminally and personally damaging.

Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
11. I don't assume for a minute they are capable of embarrassment. That is for suckers and losers.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:35 PM
Mar 2022

I'm sure the MAGATs all feel this way. The old school GOP (what's left of them) maybe.

calimary

(81,099 posts)
12. And once again, Republicans are somehow declared immune
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:39 PM
Mar 2022

from having to face consequences for their horrible deeds and reprehensible, even seditious behavior.

What if it were Democrats who did this? The response would undoubtedly be different. And much more ferocious.

ShazamIam

(2,564 posts)
14. The so called respectable Republicans, Susan Collins, comes to mind, aren't very respectable, not
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 12:42 PM
Mar 2022

only fail to step up and defend democracy, they supporting the dismantling of our Constitution based democracy.

erronis

(15,180 posts)
16. Collins has played a horrible role - pretending concern but being deep in the problem.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

She gets her moments in the media and blogosphere but she's as bad as the rest. The few times she's voted in favor of democracy is when she knew her vote wouldn't matter.

erronis

(15,180 posts)
17. Wonder if we'll see a mass set of (r)epuglcon resignations and church-going, family-caring.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:18 PM
Mar 2022

I could hope, but they won't start jumping the ship until it's already half sunk.

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
19. The possibility of cooperation on this issue is ZERO. GOP silence tells all.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:52 PM
Mar 2022

I do not want to hear about whispered dissent among those Republican members who dare not oppose GOP leadership publicly.

All of them OWN this. Every House and Senate member who voted to refuse the reported election results, every one who voted not to impeach, every single one who stayed silent over this and other reports worthy of outrage.

They have acted as accomplices to TFG and the grand GOP scheme to overturn the rule of law and the Constitution in order to cement control of our government permanently in Republican hands.

All hail the Neo-Fascist Theocracy and its wholly illegal and inhumane dogma.

 

gaskinite

(73 posts)
21. Notable Rs that may burn down
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 09:01 PM
Mar 2022

Ted Cruz
Gym Jordan
Mark Meadows…the irony with him is he gave up a safe house seat to be CoS for TFG.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
23. The easy solution:
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:04 PM
Mar 2022

the January 6th Commission has testimony about some of the people that tRump called. Subpoena their phone records from the missing time period and you have the number that he was calling from.

We know from past testimony that he had a habit of 'borrowing' staffer's phones when he didn't want to use his official one, or he may have used a 'burner'.

BigmanPigman

(51,565 posts)
25. And EVERYBODY knows it too, even GQP supporters
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:47 PM
Mar 2022

won't be able to deny that this is tRump's Watergate moment. Everyone knows all about Watergate and Nixon being a crook. This is the validation that was needed to finally convince some who have been on the fence to wake up and see who their dear leader is. Not only are they going to have to come to grips that tRump loves Putin and Putin loves tRump to this day. The majority of Americans hate Putin and therefore must also hate tRump. Yeah!!! Bring on the midterms and the Dems just have to say over and over that those two cretins are BFFS still. And no one loves Nixon, except for Manafort and Stone. I hope the Dems remember this in the media. They need to get ready NOW and not wait 6 months.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Agree. Bottom line though - they "won" again cuz there isn't a single
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:54 PM
Mar 2022

thing we can do about it. Weighing obvious pilfering of evidence (which no one will own up to) vs. what's on the gap tapes, the former won

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Emile

(22,479 posts)
30. Well according to McCarthy he called and talked to him. Maybe McCarthy could give us the
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 07:42 AM
Mar 2022

burner phone number he called.

Escurumbele

(3,378 posts)
35. The only way everything you said can become true is if Democrats engage in a very aggressive
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 07:58 AM
Mar 2022

campaign showing all the treason that has come, and continues to come, from the republican party, but if Democrats fail to do so people will forget and republican politicians will go on with their treason as if nothing ever happened.

You cannot shame them, they are shameless, but you can repeat the story over and over, create memes to make sure you can change many minds along the way. It requires a very aggressive campaign, repeat, repeat...

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
37. I would say the cover-up began the day that Trump first took office
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:06 AM
Mar 2022

They've been obfuscating, misdirecting and play-acting in unison ever since. A wall of lies to cover a lifetime of crimes, many of which they are co-conspirators to. Concealment has replaced governance in the GOP. So far, it seems to be a winning strategy.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
38. You are correct.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:13 AM
Mar 2022

They have been "covering up" since the day the FBI questioned General Flynn, Trump's National Security Adviser, and he lied. No matter the criticisms of Joe Biden, at least he is not a traitor.

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