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[tenderfoot]

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[LakeArenal]

1. Don't we all have statements to come back to haunt us.

Luckily we aren’t on video.

[demmiblue]

2. The band member was fine with it and he didn't/doesn't have alopecia.

Kind of a lame comparison, tbh.

[tenderfoot]

3. Most people didn't know Pinkett-Smith did either

eom

[demmiblue]

4. I didn't say they did. Still a dumb comparison. n/t

[tenderfoot]

7. So it's okay to mock bald men?

eom

[demmiblue]

8. Still dumb. n/t

[tenderfoot]

9. Yes, his joke was dumb

eom

[demmiblue]

10. Lol!

[pnwmom]

21. But Chris Rock knew there was a high likelihood that's why she was shaving her head.

How did he know? He'd been the producer and narrator of GOOD HAIR, a documentary about Black women's hair struggles, where he would have learned how common different types of Alopecia are among Black women. He'd even interviewed a bald alopecia sufferer himself.

So knew that alopecia likely explained her shaved head, even if he didn't know for a fact.

[Fullduplexxx]

12. Right it's not exactly the same therefore it's nothing like it

[iemanja]

17. That's not what the OP says.

[bigtree]

5. so years before his relationship with Jada

..and well over two decades ago.

Not sure what the point is.

[tenderfoot]

11. The point. It's only okay when he does it.

eom

[bigtree]

14. that doesn't follow

...for any number of obvious reasons.

[LexVegas]

6. He made a fat or short joke about Uncle Phil and Carlton just about every episode.

Very hurtful.

[Jirel]

13. Utterly besides the point.

Even if Will Smith did EXACTLY what Chris Rock did, all those years ago (spoiler alert: major differences), it wouldn’t matter. People grow and learn and change. Will Smith grew and learned and took issue with his wife being publicly bullied and humiliated. That’s a good thing.

We hear all the time about how awful it is that men will not stand up to other men who are abusing women. We hear that abuse of women will not end until there is a culture shift, and men start standing against it to other men, not letting it slide.

Will Smith didn’t let it slide. It literally doesn’t matter if theoretically he might have let it slide 20 years ago. Society can’t ask men to start standing up for women with each other, then whine about Will Smith doing exactly that. That’s just tone policing by people who are butt-hurt that the idiotic awards show they won’t remember 3 days from now, got disrupted by a bully getting stopped cold. Same people who complain that protests are rude and inappropriate when their precious traffic flow gets interrupted, or they have to smell tear gas by work the next day, or - gods help us, it’s the end of the world! - when some windows get broken or a wall is graffitied.

[milestogo]

20. The cameras were on him.

He could have shown a look of displeasure that was shown around the world.

But he chose another way. That isn't standing up for a woman, its being an asshole.

[dixiechiken1]

15. Exactly to the point.

It's like the IOKIYAR comparison. It's okay if WS does it because he did it 20+ years ago. So, along those lines, does that make it okay that his father smacked his mother around because it happened decades ago? No, of course not. That's a ridiculous assertion and everyone knows it. How about if she said something to him that he considered offensive? Once again, NO.

I swear to gawd, all of these mental gymnastics to justify physical violence to words - fucking WORDS - are ridiculous.

[AngryOldDem]

16. There's enough blame to go around here, as has been made clear.

A large part of it is because it’s been normalized to make fun of baldness, obesity, etc. Until society gets past this singling out of people who look “different,” no amount of whatabouttery will make any difference.

[Maeve]

18. Snopes says miscaptioned

Bald joke yes, alopecia no.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/will-smith-arsenio-hall/

[Blue_Adept]

19. What an absolutely terrible take to have.

DU continues to feel more like a series of bad Twitter replies than the useful dialogue and engagement of years ago pre-Trump.

[frogmarch]

22. Day 3

[CatWoman]

23. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!