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kentuck

(115,397 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:59 AM Apr 2022

True or False: The prosecution of Donald Trump would unite Republicans in the next election?

Some believe it would accomplish nothing except to unite the Republicans for the next election and in 2024. I believe they are dead wrong.

In my opinion, it would be a catalyst to divide the Republicans. Many are already trying to distance themselves from Trump before their next election. They simply will not unite behind someone that they believe is a guaranteed loser for them. Most polls show they have a very good chance of winning the House and the Senate in the mid-term elections. Trump could wreck those chances.

His brain-washed followers of the cult of personality will unite behind him. But his rallies are showing that he has lost much of his appeal, even amongst the most devout. His worship of Putin and his attack on democracy is not lost on many of them. He has shown himself to be an enemy of America.

The cult already hate liberals. "Liberals" are the cause of everything wrong with America. They would prefer to see them all dead.

So, how would the Republicans re-act if he was charged with the crimes of which they know he is guilty? How would they re-act if he was put under house arrest, with an ankle bracelet, without the use of a telephone? It would be the most divisive action that could happen to the Republican Party. They would scream to high heaven, but they will not defend Trump.

In my opinion, it would start a "civil war" amongst the Republican Party. It would give Democrats the best opportunity to win in 2022 and 2024.

However, I do not see the DOJ filing any charges before the 2022 elections. But, whether Democrats win or lose in 2022, the DOJ will likely file charges against Trump after the election. That will be their best hope of Democrats winning in 2024, in my opinion.

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True or False: The prosecution of Donald Trump would unite Republicans in the next election? (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2022 OP
I don't know about that, but I guarantee you, not prosecuting loses you one Democrat. n/t brewens Apr 2022 #1
I tend to agree... kentuck Apr 2022 #2
Only if some who call themselves Democrats think the best way to deal with this is to Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #24
That is the real question that should be asked. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #3
A Sound Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2022 #13
Not prosecuting loses the whole election; many Dems will just give up. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #19
It's too close to the turn of the century Effete Snob Apr 2022 #4
My initial thought is that there are SO many other wanna bes Cosmocat Apr 2022 #5
We missed our opportunity Azathoth Apr 2022 #6
Merrick Garland was appointed AG on March 10, 2021... kentuck Apr 2022 #8
Interesting that Ron Johnson voted to confirm Garland. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #10
That was over a year ago Azathoth Apr 2022 #12
It's always election season. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #32
Regardless, the truth must come out even if it unites those clowns. machoneman Apr 2022 #7
Dunno who it might unite, but let's try it and see. TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #9
Trump is not worth losing the election...I believe he is losing much of his 'base' and that is a Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #18
He is definitely not worth losing anything over, but yes... TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #31
i want to see trump a broken ostracized despised impoverished lonely old man..in jail or out samnsara Apr 2022 #11
I do too...but I don't know if that is realistic. Trump is slippery. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #17
We have been fighting that argument forever, hence why Republicans never pay for LizBeth Apr 2022 #14
It's a terrible argument. Leaving criminals unpunished only invites worse. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #20
+1 LizBeth Apr 2022 #23
It would fire up their base. SmallFry Apr 2022 #15
Prosecuting would fire up OUR base. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #21
Point not in contention nor was the query posed. NT SmallFry Apr 2022 #26
It would indeed unite Republicans...I know some think if only they knew and saw the evidence... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #16
Worrying about how idiots will react is pointless. They will be idiots regardless. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #22
Yes! lees1975 Apr 2022 #30
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2022 #25
If he is not prosecuted it will be a gigantic political issue for Democrats lees1975 Apr 2022 #27
Impeaching him twice did not hurt Democrats. Midnight Writer Apr 2022 #28
Set politics aside and follow the law. lees1975 Apr 2022 #29
It might be true, but it still should be done... Wounded Bear Apr 2022 #33
Only one way to find out lame54 Apr 2022 #34
Not prosecuting I think will have low dem turnout Tree Lady Apr 2022 #35
Indeed. Many of us were largely voting to demand justice for Trump's crimes. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #36
Unfortunately.... kentuck Apr 2022 #37
Tue longer the DOJ stalls this thing out only helps republicans. Emile Apr 2022 #38
I think they would prefer if there were no charges against Trump. kentuck Apr 2022 #40
Stop worrying about what unites Republicans and prosecute the criminal! Emile Apr 2022 #39
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
1. I don't know about that, but I guarantee you, not prosecuting loses you one Democrat. n/t
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:26 AM
Apr 2022

kentuck

(115,397 posts)
2. I tend to agree...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:29 AM
Apr 2022

Not prosecuting is a sure loser for Democrats.

And for America.

And for democracy.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
24. Only if some who call themselves Democrats think the best way to deal with this is to
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:40 AM
Apr 2022

put Trump back in power and spend the next years fighting to keep them from defaulting on the debt and shutting down the government for some shitty policy they want...And seriously Kentuck...can we even call such folks Democrats? I tire of the threats. We don't know that Trump can be successfully prosecuted. And this rage and attacks on Democratic-appointed individuals like Garland merely harm Democrats...The GOP loves it.

gab13by13

(32,203 posts)
3. That is the real question that should be asked.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:29 AM
Apr 2022

It doesn't matter what happens to Trump, his supporters are zombies.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
13. A Sound Point, Sir
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 10:00 AM
Apr 2022

Things like this cut both ways. Certainly prosecution of Trump would greatly energize our turn-out, and failure to do so will depress same. I expect it would put some cracks in the Republican bloc. It would offer an off-ramp (as the current cliche runs) for Republicans who really don't like the man. A portion of even those of authoritarian style might find themselves succumbing to the calculation they apply to most criminal matters, that indictment indicates guilt, and would not be brought otherwise. Nobody looks too tough in a perp walk, and I doubt the man could maintain composure in the face of arrest and impending trial.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
4. It's too close to the turn of the century
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:36 AM
Apr 2022

It would be prudent to wait until after 2100, so it wouldn’t look as if they were timed for political effect.

Cosmocat

(15,413 posts)
5. My initial thought is that there are SO many other wanna bes
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:43 AM
Apr 2022

that it would create a bit of chaos in the short term, but once the dust settled and the zombie base picked the next one, they would get back to where they are now.

But, it doesn't matter either way. It should be a matter of principle that he is dealt with based on his actions regardless of what the expected fallout may be.

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
6. We missed our opportunity
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:43 AM
Apr 2022

Prosecuting him during an election season would look inescapably political, and it would give him a huge boost over his primary opponents as the professional victim base would consider reelecting a felon the ultimate act of owning teh libs.

If we were going to pull the trigger, it should have been done already, while the general public's memory was still fresh. Even now, the J6 committee is largely preaching to the choir as Joe Sixpack has already started to forget what happened 16 months ago.

kentuck

(115,397 posts)
8. Merrick Garland was appointed AG on March 10, 2021...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:57 AM
Apr 2022

By a vote of 70-30.

The Republicans waited awhile before they approved Mr Garland. The DOJ was not capable of prosecuting him after they settled on their strategy. It would have been best if he had been arrested on January 6th and charged immediately.

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
12. That was over a year ago
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:54 AM
Apr 2022

The wheels of justice are slow, but they're not that slow. This isn't a decades-long mafia investigation involving hundreds of wiretap applications and handling of long-term informants etc.

If the AG had gone in and said "If we have the evidence, we go with it," there would have been action by now, or at least a team of prosecutors with a case in its final stages.We know who the players are here, and we know generally what the evidence is. We've already prosecuted dozens of insurrectionists.

Slow-walking a case like this is essentially a strategy for killing it. Public memory is short, political will evaporates, and what are you going to do, hold a jury trial for a guy who is three months away from possibly winning the presidency? (Or worse, a guy who has already re-won the presidency? We know his lawyers would delay any trial for years.)

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
18. Trump is not worth losing the election...I believe he is losing much of his 'base' and that is a
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:31 AM
Apr 2022

punishment for this evil man that hurts probably worse than prosecution. I don't doubt Trump is guilty...I am just not sure we can prove or if indicted, we can get a conviction.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
31. He is definitely not worth losing anything over, but yes...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:36 PM
Apr 2022

exposing him as broke and friendless is the worst punishment ever.

samnsara

(18,767 posts)
11. i want to see trump a broken ostracized despised impoverished lonely old man..in jail or out
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:29 AM
Apr 2022

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
14. We have been fighting that argument forever, hence why Republicans never pay for
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:14 AM
Apr 2022

criminal behaviors. I remember that argument being made with both impeachments.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. It's a terrible argument. Leaving criminals unpunished only invites worse.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:35 AM
Apr 2022

Conversely, actually dealing with the insurrectionist threat will very much unify Democrats.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. Prosecuting would fire up OUR base.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:36 AM
Apr 2022

So take your pick.

Fire up an already burning hot bunch of crazies, or leave the criminals free to run again, while dispiriting our base?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
16. It would indeed unite Republicans...I know some think if only they knew and saw the evidence...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:27 AM
Apr 2022

they would join with us to punish Trump as he deserves like Nixon. But it is just not true...and my guess is he would be acquitted...hard to believe we could convene a jury without one Trump supporter on it. And such a jurist would insist Trump was not guilty. Let's lock up all the cohorts in the government and outside of government...and maybe stick to financial crimes with Trump...make him look like a weak loser. That is our best bet.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Worrying about how idiots will react is pointless. They will be idiots regardless.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:37 AM
Apr 2022

We need to fire up OUR base, or America is dead.

H2O Man

(79,009 posts)
25. Recommended.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:43 AM
Apr 2022

Good question. I do not think it would unite them. I suspect that it would provide many republicans a sense of relief, allowing them to move more towards the "old" party of Bush-Cheney.

lees1975

(7,037 posts)
27. If he is not prosecuted it will be a gigantic political issue for Democrats
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:52 AM
Apr 2022

and it will cost elections.

If he is, I think a lot of Republicans will be secretly relieved that a dead weight on their party is lifted. I don't think they can win much with him around, and I think they know that. His "unfavorables" are way higher than even Republicans in congress, and way way higher than Biden or Harris.

THey need to file before 2022 elections.

Midnight Writer

(25,378 posts)
28. Impeaching him twice did not hurt Democrats.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 12:21 PM
Apr 2022

If there is clear and simple evidence against him, like for instance, he personally loaded up 15 boxes of WH documents, including classified material, took those boxes home and hid them in a closet, then I think there is no choice but to charge him.

lees1975

(7,037 posts)
29. Set politics aside and follow the law.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 12:30 PM
Apr 2022

There is a mountain of evidence against the guy, going all the way back to the Mueller Report. If the law is the law, then prosecute. If not, then Democrats have joined the January 6 insurrectionists.

Wounded Bear

(64,284 posts)
33. It might be true, but it still should be done...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:38 PM
Apr 2022

Besides, we outnumber them. If we GOTV we win, just about every time.

Tree Lady

(13,264 posts)
35. Not prosecuting I think will have low dem turnout
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 02:12 PM
Apr 2022

Our hopes have already been dashed many times about him and if this doesn't do it I think a lot of people might say f* it.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. Indeed. Many of us were largely voting to demand justice for Trump's crimes.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 02:19 PM
Apr 2022

Deny us justice, and we are in deadly danger. Why bother voting?

kentuck

(115,397 posts)
37. Unfortunately....
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 02:25 PM
Apr 2022

I think you may be right.

A recent poll showed that Republicans are quite a bit more excited about voting in the next election than Democrats.

I think the Democrats stand a better chance in November if he is charged. It would be like a bomb going off in the middle of the Republican Party. Some will be very pissed and some will be glad to put Mr Trump behind them. It would be very disruptive for the Republican Party, in my opinion.

The Democrats would only need to respond that it is about the rule of law, our Constitution, and saving our democracy. It is not about the Democratic or the Republican Party. That is a tough argument to counter, in my opinion.

kentuck

(115,397 posts)
40. I think they would prefer if there were no charges against Trump.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 02:41 PM
Apr 2022

An insurrection and an attempted coup is not a good look for any Party. In my opinion, they would prefer to sweep it under a rug, cover it up, and forget it ever happened.

But the rule of law and our Constitution demands accountability for such vile crimes.

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