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(11,704 posts)Bettie
(19,704 posts)I hope it is soon.
iscooterliberally
(3,157 posts)Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)Anslinger had a multimillion dollar budget and a department that had no enemy after Prohibition was repealed. In the mean time, speakeasies and jazz clubs cropped up where the races mixed. Can't have that.
Going after weed was his way of going after the jazz musicians of the Harlem Renaissance, the "satanic music" of its day. The 1920s brought about societal change that sticks in the mud conservatives like Anslinger hated and still do. Marijuana was his path to controlling and criminalizing the Black community. That it criminalized the Mexican Communities in the Southwest was a bonus.
Emile
(42,289 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Who supports decriminalization but not legalization.
Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)should it pass the Congress?
ms liberty
(11,237 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Can't Biden be wrong about something?
c-rational
(3,203 posts)others, including alcohol are viewed as poisons.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)But decriminalization at the Federal level seems like the right move to me.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)backed by the Federal system. That forces them into cash only mode, which makes them prime targets for being attacked and robbed.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)with my weed gummies I use for pain if we leave it up to states.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)could you get away with getting on a train with them? Like mix a few of the weed gummies in with a bag of regular gummies or will that not work?
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)because weed isn't still legal federally and Amtrak is federal. Straight to jail with that.
Now local trains like the Colorado ski train, yes, I do believe so.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)mixed into a bag of normal ones.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Many people travel to Colorado and then bring home gummy bears on the plane. I have many friends that do it and never been searched or even questioned about it.
And if they found it at the airport you were traveling from most of them are just have you thrown in the trash.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Emile
(42,289 posts)if you are travelling non stop between two legal states then it's legal. I googled it and I can't find anything. I know I'm not willing to take that risk.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NNadir
(38,045 posts)We're going to have them in New Jersey however, although I certainly voted against them.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)It is no different.
NNadir
(38,045 posts)If alcohol is bad for health and widely available is this an incentive to make other things that are also bad for one more readily available?
Because cigarette taxes provide revenue, should we encourage smoking?
I don't believe that substance abuse should be a criminal matter, but this does not imply that I'm in favor of expanding it.
I am disturbed by what I see in the scientific literature in connection with the use of pot. I fully acknowledge that I can also read disturbing things about alcohol and cigarettes, but none of it inspires me to expand that literature to other substances by expanding their use.
Walleye
(44,805 posts)NNadir
(38,045 posts)If someone wants to use it, I think they're being foolish, but that's not my business. I just don't want it readily available like say, beer and cigarettes.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)We have dispensaries here all over Denver and for many of us who use weed to control pain, access is important.
Why would you not want weed easily accessible exactly? I don't understand why you'd want to make it more difficult for people who are in constant pain....
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)I won't make the mistake of engaging again. Thanks or the warning.
Emile
(42,289 posts)about totally blows my mind.
NNadir
(38,045 posts)I came of age in the 70's OK?
Emile
(42,289 posts)ever done on marijuana, because it's still illegal!
NNadir
(38,045 posts)...I saw one yesterday morning in my JAMA email feed.
The scientific community has never labored under the assumption that because Marijuana is illegal, people don't use it.
There have been oodles upon oodles of controlled clinical trials as well, many considering the widely held urban mythology that led to the "medical marijuana" laws.
Components of Marijuana smoke have also been widely studied. Some are approved drugs.
As is the case with almost any subject in the scientific literature, one can find outliers in the general consensus, but as I read that consensus, Marijuana is decidedly not good for a person.
I abhor it's use, although it is probably not as dangerous as cigarettes or severe alcohol abuse.
For the record, I will occasionally have a beer or a glass of wine, but as I know something about the pharmacokinetics of pot smoking I would never smoke it even socially.
Emile
(42,289 posts)I will refer you to post #25 in this thread.
NNadir
(38,045 posts)For me, on this website, I often find myself getting a huge response whenever I'm critical of either pot or electric cars.
I don't know why allow myself to get drawn into these. It's a personality flaw I have, I guess.
There are so many more important things before the world, and for my part, I would rather focus on these.
We have the "freedom" to get high apparently but a wise society is one in which we exercise our freedoms in constructive ways.
Emile
(42,289 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)believe Alcohol should be banned...so why do you and others get to dictate...pot is way safer than alcohol. And it ends the unfair war on drugs (minorities targeted) and takes money out of the pockets of organized crime.
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #42)
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NNadir
(38,045 posts)It came in my JAMA email feed: Effect of Medical Marijuana Card Ownership on Pain, Insomnia, and Affective Disorder Symptoms in Adults; A Randomized Clinical Trial JAMA Netw Open. 2022;5(3):e222106
The author list and their affiliations:
Author Affiliations Article Information
1Department of Psychiatry, Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH), Boston
2Department of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts
3Athinoula A. Martinos Center for Biomedical Imaging, Department of Radiology, MGH, Harvard Medical School, Charlestown
4Department of Biostatistics, MGH, Boston
Here's the outcome of the trial:
Results A total of 186 participants (mean [SD] age 37.2 [14.4] years; 122 women [65.6%]) were randomized and included in the analyses. Compared with the delayed card acquisition group, the immediate card acquisition group had more CUD symptoms (MD, 0.28; 95% CI, 0.15-0.40; P less than .001); fewer self-rated insomnia symptoms (MD, 2.90; 95% CI, 4.31 to 1.51; P less than .001); and reported no significant changes in pain severity or anxiety or depressive symptoms. Participants in the immediate card acquisition group also had a higher incidence of CUD during the intervention (17.1% [n = 18] in the immediate card acquisition group vs 8.6% [n = 7] in the delayed card acquisition group; adjusted odds ratio, 2.88; 95% CI, 1.17-7.07; P = .02), particularly those with a chief concern of anxiety or depressive symptoms.
Conclusions and Relevance This randomized clinical trial found that immediate acquisition of a medical marijuana card led to a higher incidence and severity of CUD; resulted in no significant improvement in pain, anxiety, or depressive symptoms; and improved self-rating of insomnia symptoms. Further investigation of the benefits of medical marijuana card ownership for insomnia and the risk of CUD are needed, particularly for individuals with anxiety or depressive symptoms.
CUD = Cannabis Use Disorder.
What do they know, though? They're just doctors.
Or perhaps you've overseen clinical trials? (I'm involved peripherally in lots of them; it's what I do for my job.) Your medical degree is from where again?
But you have misrepresented my statement.
My sober statement was that I don't want pot stores for recreational purposes in my area. I did not say anything about "medical marijuana."
There are, however, cases where the "freedumb" to smoke pot does have implications for people who don't smoke pot but are in the presence of those who are smoking it, at least according to today's JAMA feed:
Fine Particulate Matter Exposure From Secondhand Cannabis Bong Smoking
Patton Khuu Nguyen, MPH1; S. Katharine Hammond, PhD1
Author Affiliations Article Information
1Environmental Health Sciences Division, School of Public Health, University of California, Berkeley
JAMA Netw Open. 2022;5(3):e224744. doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2022.4744
An excerpt:
For the record, heroin was invented for the purpose of killing pain without addiction to morphine. (That worked out well, didn't it?) I personally believe that terminally ill people should have the option of using heroin, but that's not my call. (My mother-in-law, a post polio patient was addicted to narcotics, prescription narcotics, and given the pain in which she lived constantly, I was OK with it; the pain with which I live is less severe.)
I have pain and I don't smoke pot to deal with it. I take aspirin usually, and many times it works, not always, but most of the time.
I'm not telling anyone that they can't get a medical marijuana card, although the few people I've known who had one started smoking marijuana back in the days when everybody went to Grateful Dead concerts without ever giving a shit that the band was rarely in tune.
Personally I suspect that marijuana is something like the Ivermectin of pain. People assume it works because they know better than medical professionals, because they have a political agenda, and they have social reasons for doing so.
I'm aware that things are different then they were in the 1970's; I am of the generation that entered adult life then.
I am deeply ashamed of my generation, particularly with respect to the way we trashed the planet for a consumer party. If we'd been more interested in the future than in getting high, we might have stood better than we will stand in history. Were we not stoners we might have made a better world for future generations. As it is, all we're doing is leaving a huge pile of garbage, and every generation that follows will need to live with the consequences.
Don't worry. Be happy. We're the Woodstock Generation after all:

Caption:
Here's Just How Miserable Woodstock Really Was
There was a time in my life that I didn't know many people who weren't stoners. I have no idea what became of them. I cut them out of my life.
We did have one big accomplishment that was very important to us; we legalized pot. The party never stops.
As for the generation of the 70's, my generation, yeah it's different, not necessarily in an entirely good way.
You seem to wish to dictate how I feel about the knowledge I have worked to acquire. You want to grow pot and smoke it? I couldn't care less. It's your brain, not mine. I just want to prevent commercial enterprises from setting up shops because I assume that most people do not know as much about the subject as I do.
Cannabis Cultivation Facilities: A Review of Their Air Quality Impacts from the Occupational to Community Scale
(Davi de Ferreyro Monticelli, Sahil Bhandari, Angela Eykelbosh, Sarah B. Henderson, Amanda Giang, and Naomi Zimmerman Environmental Science & Technology 2022 56 (5), 2880-2896)
As for my 70's generation:
History will not forgive us; nor should it, but it's way deeper than the fact we had stoners among us. We should have been more.
mackdaddy
(1,976 posts)This bill just passed the house this week. The republicans are the problem. Maybe if the bill legalized hookers and blow they might pass it.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/01/house-to-vote-on-bill-to-legalize-marijuana.html
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)with this bill and with the insulin bill.
Im hoping we will be smart enough to also add strengthening of social security as well.
It would be great going into mid terms to have all these Republicans on record as opposing all 3 very popular issues.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)H2O Man
(79,052 posts)I agree 100%.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,869 posts)FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)... you can expect this issue to come off the back-burner.
Fetterman has been campaigning for legalized marijuana for as long as he's been a politician.
On so many issues Fetterman is in step with Bernie Sanders, and this is one of them.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)he would do if elected to the Senate.
spanone
(141,609 posts)reefer madness is alive and well in TN.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)A household of two or more can grow 12 plants. Nice to live in a progressive state. $2 million in sales in first days.
Liberty Belle
(9,707 posts)The psych and pain meds doctors had her on made her a zombie and she was still anxious and in pain.
With THC chocolates, that I insisted on and finally got permission to let her have in a memory care facility, she's back to sounding like Mom again - smiling, less stressed, less pain and bonus -- it's also helped her appetite, with zero negatives.
This should be allowed and funded by Medicare in my opinion. I have to pay out of pocket and had to fight to find a doctor willing to prescribe and a facility that would allow it, a hassle family members don't need.
Emile
(42,289 posts)Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)
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Emile
(42,289 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)Can't give themselves powers Congress has not given them.
Emile
(42,289 posts)SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)It's a lot easier and direct for Congress to do so, but make no mistake that there is an administrative process to reschedule or remove a drug from the schedule list.

AZLD4Candidate
(6,780 posts)Great propaganda here.
bluestarone
(22,178 posts)JuJuChen
(2,253 posts)48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)Is on the hottest and most important issue of the century. I was beginning to worry people wouldn't be able to get high.
Emile
(42,289 posts)48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)Decisive leadership in getting people the high they need. It's essential to the soul of democracy that this happens. Failure could lead to the fall of democracy as we know it. Bravo to the Independent Senator from Vermont for fighting for us.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)Many of us, including myself, use weed to manage the constant pain we're in.
What you say here is very outdated & just sad to see.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)Ok so far this has taken me nearly 45 minutes to write. I'm unsure that I have ever that much work in writing & editing anything that's a reply before lol But there's so much I want to share with you all based on my personal experience....so let's go!
Right now I'm sitting here reading all the responses and in another tab in my browser I have this open.....
This is the website of my local dispensary, "The Green Solution", & I encourage those of you who have never really looked at a dispensary website to do so.

Green Solution has locations all over here in Colorado, several stores, and they are also a medical dispensary along with being a recreational one. I use edibles, I microdose gummies to handle the constant pain I'm in due to a superbug infection that is not curable. I'm unable to do opioids due to being pre-disposed to addiction. I was previously addicted to Hydrocodone (one of the big bad opioids) after having a very large surgery a few years ago for my infection.
I never considered using weed until my infectious disease doctor team brought it up & suggested I try using low powered edibles for pain. I had to do something because the sort of pain I have completely renders me useless to where I am literally unable to function. I've never used the stuff in my life until very recently. As a Gen X'er, that used to be my claim to fame lol "I've never used weed!" was a thing I once used to joke about yet here I am lol
So ya, I'm sitting here ordering weed online for delivery.
Yes I bolded that because many likely aren't aware how advanced states like Colorado with weed legalization compared to states like say Wisconsin or Nebraska. Do you know they make weed infused beer, soda, and even energy drinks? They do!

Weed is one of those things which is deeply stereotyped. Surely we all know the stigma which surrounds it & the stereotype of being a "stoner" but this isn't the 60s, 70s, or 80s anymore, it's 2022 and things have drastically changed. There are sooooooo many strains todays, so many sub-strains, that you almost need to have a degree in pharmacy to understand all of it because there's so many. They even make it now to where it doesn't make you sleepy but quite the contrast & the direct opposite; wake you up and get you on your feet like 2 shots of Espresso or a couple 8 hour energy drinks. There's even a "Hybrid" strain which is a combination of both Indica & Sativa, (think mellow & energetic) and that's what I personally use because it works best for me & handles the pain I have best. They even make weed these days that has NO "high" effect about it and is strictly used to manage pain.
I know that there are people on here who are very against the use of weed. And for those of you which are I have a question for you --WHY!?!? I mean seriously, why are you? How does legalizing weed impact your personal life in any possible way? Why would you support something which literally causes harm & pain to those who need help? Because I don't understand & I'd like to. Yet I can't find any logic or rational behind it so help me here.
Thanks
Emile
(42,289 posts)why people are so judgemental on things they know nothing about. Thanks for your excellent post!
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Delta 8 is legal here in North Carolina so I get gummies from Colorado. I get the 50 mg gummies and then cut them into quarters. That gives me about a three to five hour super mellow feeling. I love it has stopped me from drinking so much which is allowed me to get into even better shape than I was in before. My blood pressure is lower my cholesterol is down and I'm generally in a better mood.
So I guess my question is this: if cannabis becomes legal Nationwide will producers stop making Delta 8?
Because that would suck.
Emile
(42,289 posts)Delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol is more potent than delta-8 and accounts for most of the THC that occurs naturally in the cannabis plant, which makes it easy to extract, explaining why its more commonly smoked. Delta-8-THC, however, is about half as potent.
https://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2022/01/009.html#:~:text=Delta%2D9%20tetrahydrocannabinol%20is%20more,is%20about%20half%20as%20potent.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)But I don't know anybody that has had both.
I wonder if there was free competition which would win Delta 8 or Delta 9?
The only thing I would use Delta 9 for is joints or a bong. Delta 8 leaf is just hemp leaf with sprayed on Delta 8 oil which is a joke.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)And he'll get lots of support from folks for his position.
However, in the current political climate, making that happen is not happening, despite Bernie's good intentions.
Individual states are passing laws like that, but getting such a thing through Congress is literally impossible right now.
So, Bernie, what do you propose that we do about a much more pressing issue? Say, Ukraine? That's not as easy a call for you to make, I'm guessing. But, you've certainly got a large group to agree with you about marijuana. That's really good, for sure.
Emile
(42,289 posts)on the Democratic platform!
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)I think that the chances of a marijuana legalization bill getting through Congress are nil, however, this year. There are far more pressing issues, it seems to me. How much focus should we put on this if it's certain it can't get through the Senate?
Emile
(42,289 posts)Both issues are very important to people!
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)Not being able to buy insulin is.
There's a difference.
Look, I was a daily smoker of weed when I was a lot younger. I even had a grow room in an unused darkroom at my home. I stopped smoking it in 1974, because it was enabling me not to do the hard work required to succeed at my chosen profession as a freelance magazine journalist. It was just to easy to kick back and not worry about meeting deadlines.
It was way illegal back then, especially growing it. There wasn't much risk, though, since I used it only in my home and did not supply anyone else with it. However, it wasn't a good choice for me to continue.
I am not a diabetic. I don't use insulin. However, I have known people who died because they could not afford to buy insulin enough to maintain their blood sugar levels.
Believe me, the two things are not equivalent.
I agree that it should be legal everywhere. However, it is not a primary priority for me as a political issue. Not right now. More important is to create a political environment where it can pass as a bill through Congress. That is a far higher priority. Once we have the votes, legalization will happen, but not until then.
Emile
(42,289 posts)the two issues. I support capping the price of insulin and I also support legalization of marijuana.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)Emile
(42,289 posts)keep trying. Have you ever heard the expression winners never quit?
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)But is there value to be gained in the mid terms by exposing Republicans who will block these bills from passing in the Senate? I believe there could be, so I support getting them both out on the table and in front of the public. And, I have a son who is a type 1 diabetic.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)candidate. That will be our best path toward gaining serious majorities in both Congress and in state legislatures.
We won't win them all, but we can win enough to make our goals possible.
iemanja
(57,757 posts)Wanting to get high is not as important as being able to live. I can't believe anyone would say they are. Your focus on pleasure, pretending it as important as human life, is a skewed priority.
Emile
(42,289 posts)iemanja
(57,757 posts)Emile
(42,289 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 5, 2022, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Not a bit judgemental are you!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)madville
(7,847 posts)I work in an industry that is very safety oriented, until there is an accepted way to verify marijuana/THC use within say the previous 12-24 hours, employers should still be allowed to test for it and make employment decisions based on their substance abuse policies. Im talking about positions like truck drivers, electric utility linemen, airline pilots, school bus drivers, police officers, etc.
I believe the new law specifically allows federal agencies like DOT to still forbid usage for commercial drivers, pilots, etc.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I love the way it's working here in Colorado.