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[WarGamer]

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[lapfog_1]

1. yet another false equivalency post

US troops in WWII did NOT go around germany and tie up civilians and execute them.

There was one instance of a US command that executed captured German soldiers, but that was after the Germans had executed US soldiers who had surrendered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

As for bombing civilians... precision guided munitions dropped from the air were an unknown thing in WWII... as were guided missiles.

Putin and the Russians are targeting civilians... after invading the country. There is no equivalency on the Ukraine side... and it is wrong to claim that because in some other war fought by other nations... that this is somehow OK for the Russians to commit war crimes.

[WarGamer]

2. You missed the WHOLE point!! (again)

The list of countries who have done what Russia has done is long.

What Russia has done is terrible. But war is terrible. It always is.

Just in the last 20 years...

Russians

Serbs

Croats

Syrians

Taliban

ISIS

Egyptians

Libyans

Yemenis

And you're 100% wrong claiming FALSELY that I'm saying this is OK for Russia to be doing this.

I'm going to say this once so you can understand it.

What Russia is doing is evil, it's terrible and it's immoral and illegal.

And they've joined a long list of other despicable characters who've the done the same thing including past Russian leaders.

Is that clear enough for you?

My main point is... I want people to be outraged by ALL wars and immoral actions of violence.

[lapfog_1]

3. all wars are terrible

is something that doesn't really need to be stated.

and you certainly went out of your way to create a false equivalency between what Russia is doing in Ukraine in 2022 and what the USA did in WWII.

But whatever.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. It is, however, the OP's right to say it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. Western allies in WWII didn't deliberately target civilians.

False equivalence is frankly absurd. If you want a parallel for what Russia is doing in Ukraine you'd be better off looking at what Germany did in places like Oradour-sur-Glane. Or, for that matter, what the Russians in occupied Germany were doing in the spring of 1945.

[WarGamer]

7. It's not a false equivalency.

Read my response above.

They are not equivalent acts whatsoever.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Yes, it absolutely is.

Intent matters. The USA and UK were not pursuing a policy of genocide in WWII.

[WarGamer]

10. I didn't argue THEY DID or DID NOT.

Re-read the OP.

Why do I bring this up? Because war is ALWAYS bad. It's ugly and it's evil. There are no good guys and bad guys, war is a nasty thing that leads to misery and pain.

I'm shocked that so many people think that Ukraine is something "new"... in reality, it's just the most publicized.

[SmallFry]

5. I'm not sure I see the point.

I wasn't aware there was a group going around thinking war to be warm and fuzzy. Additionally, your point could have been bolstered much better by providing an example of something over the last year or two. We have recently witnessed brutality in multiple areas of the world. I get that most don't seem to care about them but still no need to stretch.

[Iwasthere]

6. Saw these yesterday. Definitely some war crimes, wicked atrocities

link:https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510636403784364038.html|

The tweeter is President, Kyiv School of Economics; Adviser, Zelensky administration; Minister of economy, Ukraine, 2019-2020; Associate professor, University of Pittsburgh
Tymofiy Mylovanov


Unrolled twitter thread:

The war crimes in Brovary and Chernihiv directions might be more heinous that those in Bucha. We have eyewitness accounts through friends, relatives and students. We need help documenting them Journalists and lawyers who can help please contact @ZoyaMylovanova Examples:
1/
A boy burned alive : eyewitness account. 🇷🇺 found a Molotov in his house, poured over him and set him on fire.
2/
Holodomor in a village in Chernihiv region. 🇷🇺 took away all food. People survived on what they had hidden, pets, and … (I don’t even wanna say it…). A contact from the village
3/
Mass rapes of young females with summary executions afterwards. A contact from a village where it happened.
4/
Families executed in fields who worked the fields / were planting their gardens. Eyewitness who saw the bodies

more at link