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Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:37 PM Apr 2022

Will Fetterman Silence Lamb in Pennsylvania Senate Face-Off?

John Fetterman according to Lambs' own internal Poll showed that Fetterman was the better candidate for the General as well as beating Lamb by 30 points currently in the primary.

"On paper, Democratic Rep. Conor Lamb appears lab-engineered to win in a purple state.

"A retired Marine who prosecuted sexual misconduct cases as an attorney, Lamb has spent two terms terms in Congress establishing a reputation as a moderate Democrat who found a way to win races in “Trump Country”—including in a House district that favored Republicans by double digits.

But six months after his August announcement, Lamb’s Senate bid in Pennsylvania is not going according to plan.

Lagging in the polls and falling behind in fundraising, Lamb was left off a list of local politicians who assembled to greet President Joe Biden when he visited Philadelphia earlier this month.

To make matters worse, a poll recently commissioned by Lamb’s own super PAC showed his main Democratic opponent—John Fetterman—not just beating him in a primary where the more liberal candidate often has more traction; polling showed Fetterman as the better candidate in a general election, against potential GOP nominees like Dr. Mehmet Oz.

And Lamb’s super PAC didn’t just see Fetterman with a small edge. What it saw, according to Politico, was Lamb trailing Fetterman by 30 points. Barring a miraculous turn of events, that kind of lead would almost be insurmountable.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/will-john-fetterman-silence-conor-lamb-in-pennsylvania-senate-face-off

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Will Fetterman Silence Lamb in Pennsylvania Senate Face-Off? (Original Post) Demsrule86 Apr 2022 OP
"On paper, Democratic Rep. Conor Lamb appears lab-engineered to win in a purple state." lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #1
👆I'm afraid I am with you I've given up on trying to convince the right wing to do good Walleye Apr 2022 #3
I believe Fetterman has a better chance of winning than Lamb...And I also think Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #6
Hundred percent with you that we don't need another Manchin or Sinema. Walleye Apr 2022 #8
I Love Howards Dean...I was a mad Deaniac....still love the love guy. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #11
FTR, all the Dem candidates have pledged to vote to Deminpenn Apr 2022 #59
I know that but...I believe that Lamb is more like Manchin than say Sherrod Brown Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #72
Agree with you, Deminpenn Apr 2022 #74
And that is fair. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #90
Conor LambJoe Biden YorkRd Apr 2022 #97
Joe Biden campaigns with Democrat Conor Lamb in Pa. special election Cha Apr 2022 #116
Joe is amazing at taking selfies LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #152
Thank goodness we didn't list to this advice when we won the House and Senate in 2018... brooklynite Apr 2022 #91
I don't see your point; we did not win the PA Senate seat either of those times...and that is what Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #128
Pennsylvania isn't a demographically unique State brooklynite Apr 2022 #130
That is not really true. You have the cities and it is Alabama in between... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #131
That might be the view from 80,000 ft, Deminpenn Apr 2022 #132
That is exactly right and you said it so well... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #140
And unabashed progressive Tom Wolfe also won Beaver County Deminpenn Apr 2022 #148
That is right...Hey if a moderate is right for the district or office OK...but here we have a Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #149
You do know that the PA Supreme Court Deminpenn Apr 2022 #134
I don't think people understand how huge a deal that ruling was... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #141
I don't disagree at this point. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #4
Lamb won so much against Republicans in red dstricts, Trump called him out YorkRd Apr 2022 #10
It is one district and he won it by 2 points...Lamb's own polls show that Fetterman would Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #12
Lamb's win against Saccone was a big upset Deminpenn Apr 2022 #62
But it was a very small percentage of the vote in one district...right now he is losing by 30 points Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #75
Lamb won a red district 3 times YorkRd Apr 2022 #40
Lamb ran in a red district ONE time. Congressional maps were redrawn in 2018. PA Democrat Apr 2022 #57
+1 Celerity Apr 2022 #70
That is right, I forgot that....thanks Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #76
Fetterman won a statewide office & is the sitting Lt Governor. Your attempt at diminution's a no go Celerity Apr 2022 #82
+1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #93
Lt Governor really doesn't count for much YorkRd Apr 2022 #96
that ridiculous, it isn't Governor, but it is a state-wide office in an almost 13m population state Celerity Apr 2022 #103
+1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #108
One quibble PAMod Apr 2022 #169
I was just showing what the Lt Gov position entails to show that the poster I replied to was wrong Celerity Apr 2022 #175
Understood and well done PAMod Apr 2022 #189
Yeah, I read about that. Apparently PA is one of the few states that a Lieutenant governor's house. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #192
Was PAMod Apr 2022 #195
The old political formulas quit working some time ago Walleye Apr 2022 #2
He signed up for all the big debates...this was a small unimportant debate and he is the front Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #5
Good, I'm feeling better and better about his candidacy Walleye Apr 2022 #9
He is a good guy...for real. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #14
Dr Oz won't be the candidate. McCormick will be the candidate YorkRd Apr 2022 #39
Good. I'm tired of his commercials already Walleye Apr 2022 #63
He can beat McCormick. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #77
Fetterman will bring out the old change fearing people who carried the day for the GOP in Virginia. YorkRd Apr 2022 #7
Fetterman is leading by 30 points...he will bring out burbs as well as anywhere else because Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #16
Fetterman has more name recognition YorkRd Apr 2022 #35
Fetterman is the lieutenant governor...and is winning by more than 30 points. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #42
What part about this fact.......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2022 #29
Braddocks population is 2000 people YorkRd Apr 2022 #33
You don't understand Fetterman lives there...and it means a great deal. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #43
Cosplaying an actual big city mayor YorkRd Apr 2022 #51
We can agree to disagree. But Fetterman is the Lieutenant Governor... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #65
No, being a mayor of a beat down old milltown Deminpenn Apr 2022 #67
Thank you those who live outside the rust belt don't understand how badly globalization has Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #79
Don't forget Reaganomics Deminpenn Apr 2022 #81
I don't like Reagan but he protected the rust belt to some degree... the Honda plant in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #89
Wrong. betsuni Apr 2022 #168
I know folks who work at Honda in Marysville. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #172
"Cosplaying" is an absurd choice of words. PA Democrat Apr 2022 #99
Indeed...Fetterman get PA which is why he can and will win. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #109
Yep! MyOwnPeace Apr 2022 #46
Um, the innocent guy of which you speak...is supporting Fetterman... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #47
The man involved in the gun incident said he wants Fetterman to win, so there is that Celerity Apr 2022 #68
How would he silence the truth of what he did by his own decision? Budi Apr 2022 #13
Exactly Budi.. who the hell wrote Cha Apr 2022 #30
Its the article that "Appears Lab Engineered" . Budi Apr 2022 #31
lol.. Good One.. So Fucking Cha Apr 2022 #36
Hi Cha...hope you and yours are well! Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #32
Absolutely nuclear level headline CRINGE greenjar_01 Apr 2022 #15
Blame Daily Beast...it was the titile. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #18
Some writer there need to have a talking to! ColinC Apr 2022 #21
Urusala Perano's bio runs thru Politico 🙄 Budi Apr 2022 #41
I have to blame those who don't recognize dishonest hit pieces Hortensis Apr 2022 #163
It is not dishonest nor is it a hit piece. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #173
The negativism in the title announces its theme, Demsrule. Hortensis Apr 2022 #179
Did you read it? It really is not negative...it is about how Lamb's own polls show he is Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #193
voting from one district treestar Apr 2022 #196
Absolutely the worst. ColinC Apr 2022 #19
Lame title, Daily Beast: Do better! ColinC Apr 2022 #17
They could do better but the article is good. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #20
Thanks, I will check it out. ColinC Apr 2022 #22
I know silence of the lambs...ridiculous Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #24
I just can't with it loll... ColinC Apr 2022 #26
Conor Lamb earned every bit of his creds. What a sniveling statement. Budi Apr 2022 #23
Lamb is losing based on his own polls by 30%. Connor Lamb is not the best candidate Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #25
So is the writer of this article. Ursula Perano Budi Apr 2022 #44
I always agree with you 95% of the time. sheshe2 Apr 2022 #78
Oh sure, Fetterman could lose...but Nina Turner had f'd Ohio and the Democratic party over. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #83
Yeah, it really does suck that people are using RW talking points blue neen Apr 2022 #34
I lived in PA for years and I know what you mean...I am in Ohio now...but could walk to PA... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #37
It started when Fetterman did the dirty deed. Budi Apr 2022 #45
There are many negative things to say about Conor Lamb, too, blue neen Apr 2022 #50
Haaahaaaa! I'm not attacking anyone. The facts are already out there. Budi Apr 2022 #53
Precisely... What?! Fetterman's own Actions Cha Apr 2022 #58
Lamb voted for the Trump tax cut for the rich. DemocraticPatriot Apr 2022 #161
That is it... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #164
Have you checked out Lambs votes? Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #176
except you conveniently leave out the fact the man involved said he wants Fetterman to win Celerity Apr 2022 #84
that does not necessarily treestar Apr 2022 #197
TY Budi! I called out that creepy Cha Apr 2022 #38
Yup Just couldn't help but slip that silence/Lambs , lab engineered sniveling bit in there Budi Apr 2022 #56
It sounds like Politico but Cha Apr 2022 #61
She worked at Politico before DB. She was...ummm, kinda.. 'lab engineered' at Politico Budi Apr 2022 #64
Ohh I wondered what Ursula's history Cha Apr 2022 #102
Some sick shit huh. Budi Apr 2022 #104
Did you not get past the second paragraph? dpibel Apr 2022 #54
😄...'fantodding' Budi Apr 2022 #66
It's always special when anyone Cha Apr 2022 #113
Ya. We're all done with the, "don't say bad things about...." aren't we. Budi Apr 2022 #115
I'm FUCKING OUTRAGED Over that "Silence of the Lambs".. Cha Apr 2022 #111
I'm FUCKING OUTRAGED Over that "Silence of the Lambs".. Cha Apr 2022 #112
Fwiw, I met Lamb during his first run Deminpenn Apr 2022 #73
So how'd he beat the R's 3 times? Budi Apr 2022 #85
see post 57 Celerity Apr 2022 #86
He didn't...the seat he won was changed in re-districting. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #87
It was 1 time, in a special election Deminpenn Apr 2022 #88
Yes. 3 time win. HERE: Budi Apr 2022 #94
The district changed in 2018...and it leaned Democratic. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #95
LOL. So? Still a 3 time Win Budi Apr 2022 #98
Me too...I believe Fetterman is that guy...hehe...Best of luck to you also... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #100
Sorry. He hasn't the creds. Budi Apr 2022 #101
I'm glad someone is counting Cha Apr 2022 #105
He won 3 elections, but only 1 in a R Deminpenn Apr 2022 #135
is it the cover of rolling stone vs GQ? nt msongs Apr 2022 #27
Maybe! Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #28
More like vigilanti rights vs responsible veteran, prosecutor for military women's rights, Budi Apr 2022 #48
No it's Dodge vs Toyota YorkRd Apr 2022 #52
That gas guzzling Ram vs the Clean Green Prius. Budi Apr 2022 #55
It's Fetterman's to lose Sugarcoated Apr 2022 #49
It's an embarrasment of riches Effete Snob Apr 2022 #60
I agree - and I've supported BOTH in past campaigns..... MyOwnPeace Apr 2022 #69
I agree. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #71
Sean Meloy seems to be a really good Deminpenn Apr 2022 #80
Yeah, I am not going to knock Lamb Cosmocat Apr 2022 #136
I absolutely agree with you. I am annoyed with Lamb because he endanger Fetterman in the Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #139
Fetterman ALL DAY budkin Apr 2022 #92
That's pretty cruel to tag any candidate as 'lab-engineered.' peggysue2 Apr 2022 #106
I absolutely agree...he is part of the Rustbelt and it shows...born and bred. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #110
superb post Celerity Apr 2022 #117
Thank you, very kind Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #121
I am sorry but I am not impressed with Fetterman LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #107
Do you know who Nina Turner is? she f'd Ohio and Hillary in the 2016 race... Turner supported Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #114
Nina was up 50% in the polls at one point LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #118
What polls? Not in the district. I work it every election. I don't really believe that Nina was Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #120
Wow that Vid with Kenyatta was Excellent.. Cha Apr 2022 #123
That video would make a great attack ad if Fetterman is the nominee LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #153
When did Conor Lamb lose? YorkRd Apr 2022 #126
I said similar candidates...have lost Senate races in the past. You know you remind me of someone. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #127
Oh, I have traveled to the future...and well never mind. (joke) Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #145
Flip that around: name a progressive who's won a US Senate seat in Pennsylvania brooklynite Apr 2022 #137
Before Sherrod Brown...no progressive won an Ohio seat. And the PA party pretty much ran moderates Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #143
After Sherrod Brown, no progressive won an Ohio seat. brooklynite Apr 2022 #147
We had a Democratic governor...but that is neither here nor there...I don't think Connor Lamb Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #150
Is Fetterman part of the Justice Democrats? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #151
That's pricey, since the largest Progressive Group in PA endorsed Conor Lamb. Budi Apr 2022 #154
I am not sure how I got on this list other than I maxed out for Clinton and Biden LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #155
No he isn't...he does fit into a neat little pacakage...great guy, great candidate and he will be a Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #160
The TYT people are worried that Fetterman is going to suffer the same fate as Nina LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #156
I wonder what "unapologetic populist" means. betsuni Apr 2022 #157
That has always been progressive...in PA when I lived there and when I left...the conventional Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #159
So it's about a left-wing and right-wing populist alliance, I guess. betsuni Apr 2022 #162
No, Fetterman is not like that...it isn't any of the usual politics. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #165
What's an "unapologetic populist"? His issues are the usual Democratic Party policies. betsuni Apr 2022 #167
He is a progressive and cares about people.And he can win. He is well liked in PA. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #171
ROFL....😆 Budi Apr 2022 #178
Glad I could entertain you Budi... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #194
Nina is hated by Democrats. Fetterman is not hated. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #158
Wut? Yesterday he was a Progressive JDem. Today he's a Populist. Budi Apr 2022 #166
+1 betsuni Apr 2022 #170
Fetterman is not a justice democrat. He is like Sherrod Brown and can win PA, Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #174
Pssst...they are all under the same single organization Budi Apr 2022 #177
pssst.. Brand New Congress, DFA, and Working Families Party have endorsed Kenyatta, not Fetterman Celerity Apr 2022 #188
Rt💖🤷‍♂️😎TY! Cha Apr 2022 #119
Probably not, that would be Kenyatta, who is endorsed by the JD-like Brand New Congress, & Working Celerity Apr 2022 #129
With fava beans and a nice Chianti Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2022 #122
That title has been getting me all day... the only good thing is that it is eye catching. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #124
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what Ursula Cha Apr 2022 #125
Guess I'm the only one who thinks the article title is kind of cute. betsuni Apr 2022 #133
I like it too. It shows humor and I appreciate that...pretty sure I have used silence of the lambs Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #138
When is the primary? Omaha Steve Apr 2022 #142
May 17th...so there is still time for Connor Lamb to come back...I just don't think he does... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #144
Primary voting day is May 17 which is about 45 days away. SYFROYH Apr 2022 #146
Mr Fetterman. Please pull the statement & correct. Its not " Conor Lamb's Super PAC" Budi Apr 2022 #180
I saw that ad...glad it was pulled. This sort of scorched earth tactics must stop...it wasn't true Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #181
Sue for what? He named a false PAC as Lamb's. He can now retract his false statement. Budi Apr 2022 #182
Why would he retract...it is a Lamb supporting PAC.... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #183
That's not how he cleverly worded his statement. Budi Apr 2022 #185
It was not the 'wrong PAC', I already posted the exact advert that was pulled down (and why) Celerity Apr 2022 #191
The PAC that favors Lamb ran the ad , And I saw it, Lamb is 30+ points down. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #184
Thanks for the update on the man whom Fetterman talked to...I don't know if using this guy Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #186
He was falsly profiled. Ran down into the next district, shotgun pointed at his chest... Budi Apr 2022 #187
Good luck with that so far it is not working...in fact likely backfiring. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #190
Fetterman's story does not hold up LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #198

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. "On paper, Democratic Rep. Conor Lamb appears lab-engineered to win in a purple state."
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:41 PM
Apr 2022

This pernicious fallacy has cost us so many elections. Purple states are evenly divided between left and right. The right is crazy; no Dem will ever get their votes. Today, there is NO MIDDLE (except that some Dem politicians seem to want to be there). To win votes, a Dem candidate needs to energize the base. Don't woo the right; they are a LOST CAUSE.

Walleye

(44,714 posts)
3. 👆I'm afraid I am with you I've given up on trying to convince the right wing to do good
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:44 PM
Apr 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
6. I believe Fetterman has a better chance of winning than Lamb...And I also think
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:02 PM
Apr 2022

a Senator Lamb would resemble Manchin and Sinema more than say Sherrod Brown...my point is I am happy to have both Manchin and Sinema...we need them for a majority but please God we don't need more like them. If we can win one more Senate seat, we can get rid of the filibuster. I would bet the farm that Lamb won't vote to get rid of the filibuster. I hope someone asks him that in the coming debates. I also believe that Lamb is like all the other candidates that lost in previous years. We need someone fresh in PA.

Walleye

(44,714 posts)
8. Hundred percent with you that we don't need another Manchin or Sinema.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:15 PM
Apr 2022

You’ve convinced me for Fetterman, unfortunately I vote in Delaware so… Like Howard Dean said I’m from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
59. FTR, all the Dem candidates have pledged to vote to
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:34 PM
Apr 2022

eliminate the filibuster in the Senate.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
72. I know that but...I believe that Lamb is more like Manchin than say Sherrod Brown
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:02 PM
Apr 2022

and might not do it. I support Fetterman even though I can't vote for him...live in Ohio. I can donate and work the primary though... The reason is that I do not believe that Lamb will be a reliable vote. I am happy to have both Manchin and Sinema but I don't want another one like them. And why not support a progressive rather than moderate if he/she can win? I believe Fetterman has the best chance to win this senate seat.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
74. Agree with you,
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:04 PM
Apr 2022

but just wanted to point out the filibuster positions FTR and to be fair.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,470 posts)
152. Joe is amazing at taking selfies
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 01:59 PM
Apr 2022

I was at a fundraiser for Joe back in 2019 and Joe took my iphone from me and took three great pictures so fast that I was surprised

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
91. Thank goodness we didn't list to this advice when we won the House and Senate in 2018...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:39 PM
Apr 2022

...or when we picked our Presidential candidate in 2020.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
128. I don't see your point; we did not win the PA Senate seat either of those times...and that is what
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:35 PM
Apr 2022

we are talking about.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
130. Pennsylvania isn't a demographically unique State
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:36 PM
Apr 2022

It’s a mix of liberals and conservative with suburban moderates who tend to support Democrats when they’re not left wing. Same way we won competitive seats in 2018.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
131. That is not really true. You have the cities and it is Alabama in between...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:33 PM
Apr 2022

We have run modern candidates since I can remember the entire time I lived...there and not won the seat. I think Fetterman can win. I look at Connor Lamb and I know he won once in a red district but there was a sex scandal as you remember and after that, there was redistricting and he ran twice in a more favorable district. I think it would be no different in the end than Katie McGinty. I just don't think he can win a general. And I want to win.

I think Fetterman has a stronger record and is a better candidate. He is more suited to a rustbelt state like Pennsylvania. Also, while I am happy to have Manchin and Sinema as we need the seats for a majority if a progressive can win a Senate seat, I want to support him or her. It will give us better options policywise.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
132. That might be the view from 80,000 ft,
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:24 AM
Apr 2022

but it is not true with how the state votes.

If Philadelphians voted at the same percentage as the rest of the state, Dems would never lose, but that doesn't happen. Worked the polls there for a 4 year cycle, the best turnout came when Rendell was on the ballot for governor, otherwise, turnout was ok, but never matched the 70-80% turnout elsewhere. The Philadelphia collar counties have been turning more Dem for 20+ years now.

In the western part of the state, you have almost fanatical loyalty to candidates from that area regardless of political party and voters here vote. It gives western PA outsized influence in elections in relation to its percentage of the state's population.

Then you have the "T" where turnout is generally also high although the raw numbers are low, but where populist economic policies are also popular. In 2016, Bernie Sanders won these counties over Hillary Clinton.

This is why Fetterman is going to win. Western PA voters are going to vote for him overwhelmingly and his populist economic policies along with pledging to break the logjam in Washington is going to play well in the "T". Lots of people make the mistake of thinking Americans hate government when what they really hate is gridlock and government not working to solve their problems. This is why Tom Wolfe won re-election easily in 2018, because voters saw him as making the state government work.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
148. And unabashed progressive Tom Wolfe also won Beaver County
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 10:35 AM
Apr 2022

in 2018, something Conor Lamb did not do.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
149. That is right...Hey if a moderate is right for the district or office OK...but here we have a
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 10:54 AM
Apr 2022

a chance to send a progressive to the Senate in PA...great opportunity.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
134. You do know that the PA Supreme Court
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:30 AM
Apr 2022

drawing its own map and imposing it on the state in 2018 was a big part of that win, right? PA went from 13R-5D to 9R-9D after that.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
12. It is one district and he won it by 2 points...Lamb's own polls show that Fetterman would
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:22 PM
Apr 2022

do better than Lamb in a general.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
62. Lamb's win against Saccone was a big upset
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:40 PM
Apr 2022

as that CD, PA-18 at the time, was an R district. His win in the redrawn CD, PA-17, a few months later wasn't surprising as it was a D majority. The last win was in the same CD and was closer being a presidential election year that drew not only Trump cultists, but "Biden Rs" who voted R down ballot.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
75. But it was a very small percentage of the vote in one district...right now he is losing by 30 points
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:05 PM
Apr 2022

Lamb is very much like the candidates that have tried before and lost. I want someone who is different this time and who can win.

PA Democrat

(13,428 posts)
57. Lamb ran in a red district ONE time. Congressional maps were redrawn in 2018.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:31 PM
Apr 2022

Lamb ran in the special election to fill Tim Murphy's seat in the PA 18th in March 2018. The PA 18 was a republican leaning district.

District maps were redrawn after the PA Supreme Court ruled the former heavily gerrymandered maps unconstitutional.

In Nov 2018 Lamb ran in the newly redistricted Pa 17th which has been rated as leans Democratic by Cook Political report. Biden won the Pa 17th by a margin just slightly less than Lamb.

https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/24/new-pennsylvania-district-tilts-democratic/





Celerity

(54,330 posts)
82. Fetterman won a statewide office & is the sitting Lt Governor. Your attempt at diminution's a no go
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:16 PM
Apr 2022

Also the town Fetterman won re-election in over and over is is almost 70% black, 22% white. The 2018 Blue Wave-precursor special election win for Lamb was in a 90+% white district. The Rethug incumbent, Tim Murphy, who was involved in a sex and abortion scandal, resigned, which depressed the RW vote to a point.

Lamb was redistricted after that to a lean-Dem district, so your claim of 3 wins in a Red district is also a no go.

Celerity

(54,330 posts)
103. that ridiculous, it isn't Governor, but it is a state-wide office in an almost 13m population state
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:04 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:36 PM - Edit history (3)

Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Pennsylvania

official duties are serving as president of the State Senate and chairing the Board of Pardons and the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Council.

Lieutenant governors often work on additional projects and have a full schedule of community and speaking events.

Pennsylvania is the only state that provides an official residence, State House at Fort Indiantown Gap, for its lieutenant governor.

PAMod

(944 posts)
169. One quibble
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 06:59 AM
Apr 2022

Lt. Governor Fetterman opposed the state providing an official residence for the Lt. Governor; he never lived in it, and it was given to the Department of Military & Veterans Affairs by statute.

He lives in a Harrisburg apartment that he pays for when he has to be in the capital city.

Celerity

(54,330 posts)
175. I was just showing what the Lt Gov position entails to show that the poster I replied to was wrong
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:11 AM
Apr 2022

when they said

Lt Governor really doesn't count for much

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
192. Yeah, I read about that. Apparently PA is one of the few states that a Lieutenant governor's house.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 06:09 PM
Apr 2022

Walleye

(44,714 posts)
2. The old political formulas quit working some time ago
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:42 PM
Apr 2022

We need to put up somebody a little flamboyant to counter this doctor Oz character. I don’t think going bland is even good philosophy on this one. Much less strategy. I’ll be rooting for Fetterman, I just hope he doesn’t skip any more debates. Of course I’m from out of state so my opinion doesn’t matter very much

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
5. He signed up for all the big debates...this was a small unimportant debate and he is the front
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:57 PM
Apr 2022

runner. He is a good debater too.

Walleye

(44,714 posts)
9. Good, I'm feeling better and better about his candidacy
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:17 PM
Apr 2022

And the times I have seen him interviewed on local news, I’ve liked him

YorkRd

(434 posts)
7. Fetterman will bring out the old change fearing people who carried the day for the GOP in Virginia.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:14 PM
Apr 2022

Fetterman is a controversial guy who scares people. I just can't see him winning suburban women or winning the rural battle.

Fetterman will depress the black vote because of his bad interview about chasing an innocent guy down the street after hearing fireworks, thinking it was a gun and pulling a shotgun on him while he was mayor and saying he didn't know if he broke the law or not.

Lamb is a truly great proven Bidenlike candidate who has proven he can beat Republicans in their own districts while Fetterman has never really won against a Republican on his own. Lots of Fetterman supporters say Lamb votes like Manchin but truth be told, Manchin would do very well in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is not as purple as many seem to think, the suburbs around Pittsburgh are very red. Youngkin won big with rural voters especially the elderly. Pennsylvania has even more of these voters than Virginia.



Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
16. Fetterman is leading by 30 points...he will bring out burbs as well as anywhere else because
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:25 PM
Apr 2022

so much of PA like Ohio is linked to Manufacturing even in the burbs...and he is well like by the UAW and others. Connor Lamb is like all the other candidates that the party kind of foisted on us...he will lose a general IMHO.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
42. Fetterman is the lieutenant governor...and is winning by more than 30 points.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:55 PM
Apr 2022

The fact is people know him and like him. I don't doubt Lamb has his good points. He won a GOP district...but I don't like some of the votes he took. And we have a chance to elect Fetterman who will support progressive bills...I can't be sure that Lamb will. Thus, if I could vote which I can't because I now live in Ohio, I would vote for Fetterman in the primary...anyone in the general. I lived in PA for many years.

MyOwnPeace

(17,544 posts)
29. What part about this fact..........
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:40 PM
Apr 2022
'Braddock is a majority Black milltown just outside of Pittsburgh. He was mayor of the borough from 2006 until 2019' leaves you thinking that Fetterman will "depress the black vote?"

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
65. We can agree to disagree. But Fetterman is the Lieutenant Governor...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:43 PM
Apr 2022

so I think you are wrong.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
67. No, being a mayor of a beat down old milltown
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:49 PM
Apr 2022

that had little hope, and giving it not only hope, but putting it on a path to real revitalization. You have no idea how much everyone else who lives in similar towns understands how hard this is and how much dedication it takes.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
79. Thank you those who live outside the rust belt don't understand how badly globalization has
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:07 PM
Apr 2022

hurt our region.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
89. I don't like Reagan but he protected the rust belt to some degree... the Honda plant in
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:35 PM
Apr 2022

Marysville Ohio is UAW and must make most of the cars from parts made in this country...it was Bush 1 and Bush 2 who really hurt us. Now Clinton signed NAFTA... a big mistake in my opinion. And I knew when I voted for Pres. Obama, he favored trade agreements...and I cringed every time I heard someone on our side pronounce 'the jobs are not coming back' and then make the suggestion that everyone in the rustbelt knows only too well... but we can offer training...for what exactly?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
172. I know folks who work at Honda in Marysville.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:45 AM
Apr 2022

My husband worked for the big three. Every plant he worked
In shut down.

PA Democrat

(13,428 posts)
99. "Cosplaying" is an absurd choice of words.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:02 PM
Apr 2022

cosplay

noun

the practice of dressing up as a character from a movie, book, or video game.

verb

engage in cosplay.


I guess you've never seen how Fetterman dresses.

Additionally, you must not have ever read anything about Fetterman because he has NEVER purported himself to be a mayor of a "big city."

He has been featured over the years in a number of national publications including Rolling Stone magazine and the Alantic magazine, and the story he tells has been about how he ran for mayor of a forgotten town that has lost jobs, population and hope.




MyOwnPeace

(17,544 posts)
46. Yep!
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:08 PM
Apr 2022

And 70% black.

Doesn't look like a strong 'lack of support' among that voter segment......... you know, the 'depressed black vote.'

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
47. Um, the innocent guy of which you speak...is supporting Fetterman...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:09 PM
Apr 2022

I know about the incident and I don't think that will matter.

Celerity

(54,330 posts)
68. The man involved in the gun incident said he wants Fetterman to win, so there is that
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:53 PM
Apr 2022

Your candidate Lamb (who you said will be POTUS someday) has never polled over 16% since last summer.

And you are simply off the rails if you think Manchin would win in PA.

Good luck with Philadelphia and old Coal Joe. Manchin would get destroyed in PA over his blocking of the BBB and blocking all the voter bills.




Man John Fetterman confronted with a shotgun says that should not stymie his Senate bid

https://archive.ph/dd339 (no paywall blockage)

CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER


A man confronted in 2013 by a shotgun-wielding John Fetterman — then mayor of Braddock, now lieutenant governor and running for the U.S. Senate — claims Mr. Fetterman has "lied about everything" that happened that day.

But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator.

"Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)

snip

“Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good,” Miyares wrote. “Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.”

He signed that letter: “Gooo Fetterman.”
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
13. How would he silence the truth of what he did by his own decision?
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:23 PM
Apr 2022

Facts are facts.

Fetterman owns the decisions he made & has nothing to do with Lamb or Kenyatta questioning those facts.

Cha

(318,837 posts)
30. Exactly Budi.. who the hell wrote
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:41 PM
Apr 2022

that mean Spirited SHIT? Referencing "The Silence of the Lambs" movie.. that's some clever shit right there

I call Bullshit. "..appears lab engineered..".. It's Conor Lamb's history and life not from a fucking lab, asshole Ursula Perano .

💙💛





 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
41. Urusala Perano's bio runs thru Politico 🙄
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:55 PM
Apr 2022

Reading her other postings I'd say she is not a Democrat, will step on a Democrat to advance herself & chosen political favs.
She can't seem to find a thing positive that Biden has done.
She's a mimic of every graduate of Politico cult writers.

Thus the sniveling statement of "lab engineered' to define Fetterman's opponant. A Democrat.

We know who she is & isn't. She made it clear.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
163. I have to blame those who don't recognize dishonest hit pieces
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 07:30 PM
Apr 2022

for what they are and spread them. Or worse, do and spread them.

We can always cut clips of what we feel is valid information from partisan hit jobs, while leaving behind all that doesn't meet our standards for objective honesty.

America's biggest political problem, and it's become huge, is normalization of the embrace of partisan dishonesty.



Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
173. It is not dishonest nor is it a hit piece.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:58 AM
Apr 2022

Check out the Lamb votes. Fettermwn is the sort of PA politician who can win statewide and give us a senate seat. He will vote for our policy. Lamb will not IMHO win the election and is more likely to vote like Sinema and Machin. We need them for a majority. But we don't need another. We have had candidates like Lamb for the PA Senate for years. And they lose. Katie McGinty being the latest. And just to make my point clear, this is not a dishonest article.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
179. The negativism in the title announces its theme, Demsrule.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 09:08 AM
Apr 2022

"Dishonesty" I refer to is not limited to whoppers but includes spins designed to instill impressions distorted to various degrees away from truth. "X is a loser."

Deceit.

I try to scrutinize every article to see if it's actually serving as a delivery vehicle for mindfuckery, though picking up on deceit sometimes requires more knowledge than I have. Not in this case. The entire article is a classic push of its anti-X influence narrative, but that theme is summarized right up top to get into the heads of the majority who won't read beyond the headline.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
193. Did you read it? It really is not negative...it is about how Lamb's own polls show he is
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 10:26 PM
Apr 2022

30 points behind. The party faithful stepped just short of endorsing him but he has their support. and every damn candidate chosen by them has lost. Now Connor Lamb put a hit piece commercial out today calling Fetterman a Democrat socialist...which he is not. That was an out-and-out lie and negative. They were forced to take it down as Sen. Warren intervened. Connor Lamb is not doing well and Fetterman is perfect for Pennsylvania and a loyal Democrat. I don't see anything wrong with this article. But we can agree to disagree. When I look at Lamb, I see a male version of Katie McGinty who is a good person but lost last time. I want to win. I think our best chance is with Fetterman. No guarantees of course it is a midterm...but he is our best shot. We can agree to disagree.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
196. voting from one district
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 08:15 PM
Apr 2022

is different from voting from the entire State, as Senators do.

We hope elected officials represent their constituents. The constituency is largely changed if one becomes a Senator. Then it is not just that one district.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
23. Conor Lamb earned every bit of his creds. What a sniveling statement.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:31 PM
Apr 2022
"On paper, Democratic Rep. Conor Lamb appears lab-engineered to win in a purple state."

No one "engineered" Mr Lamb.
That is a RW talking point & is a flat out lie.

Lamb's creds are by his own walk of life.
Congressman Conor Lamb is a Marine and a former federal prosecutor who is running for the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania.

Lamb represents Pennsylvania’s 17th district in Congress, which includes much of the Pittsburgh-area suburbs and all of Beaver County. Lamb won a special election in March 2018 in a district that Trump won by nearly 20 points. He went on to win reelection in 2018 and 2020 in two Republican districts.


HERE'S MORE:
Perhaps the writer of this article could educate herself about Conor Lamb before such a stupid intentionally demoralizing statement.
https://conorlamb.com/meet-conor

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
25. Lamb is losing based on his own polls by 30%. Connor Lamb is not the best candidate
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:34 PM
Apr 2022

to win PA...and the site you have is made for the candidate.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
44. So is the writer of this article. Ursula Perano
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:00 PM
Apr 2022

Her writings are practically "Lab Engineered" to demean & demoralize Democrats including President Biden, depending what her soc media followers 'like' & 'follow'.

She's writing for a particular audience.


sheshe2

(97,458 posts)
78. I always agree with you 95% of the time.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:06 PM
Apr 2022

I don't here. Lest we forget, Nina Turner was winning by about 30% by her own polls and lost big time. Polls don't really matter, winning does.

I understand, it is not my state however Fetterman doesn't sit well with me.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
83. Oh sure, Fetterman could lose...but Nina Turner had f'd Ohio and the Democratic party over.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:18 PM
Apr 2022

Fetterman is a great candidate. Year after year when I lived in PA we had these candidates for the Senate that were just not great for our state...and to me, Lamb reminds me of them...Katie McGinty was the most recent. I think Fetterman can win and he is progressive so I will donate and support the campaign with calls or what have you. I live in Ohio now so I can't vote but I will do what I can. I don't know if Lamb can win.

blue neen

(12,465 posts)
34. Yeah, it really does suck that people are using RW talking points
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:49 PM
Apr 2022

against Democratic candidates, doesn't it?

Here's what you need to consider. This negativity started last week when Conor Lamb decided to use it because he is so far behind in this race. IMHO, the attacks will not help Lamb at all.

I will gladly vote for either candidate in the General, that's a given. At the same time, we in PA are tired of being railroaded into voting for whoever the outside paid political operatives decide we should vote for...and that's exactly what is going on here. Just like Katie McGinty. Nope, not doing that again.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
37. I lived in PA for years and I know what you mean...I am in Ohio now...but could walk to PA...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:51 PM
Apr 2022

so we get PA news and ads.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
45. It started when Fetterman did the dirty deed.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:02 PM
Apr 2022

Lamb stated facts.
So has Kenyatta for that matter.

blue neen

(12,465 posts)
50. There are many negative things to say about Conor Lamb, too,
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:13 PM
Apr 2022

however, I will refrain. I'm not going to attack a fellow Democrat in the ways that you are attacking John Fetterman. It is a bad look, and it's not working.

Bye.




 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
53. Haaahaaaa! I'm not attacking anyone. The facts are already out there.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:20 PM
Apr 2022

Why are his supporters trying to scrape the 'ick' of what he did & sticking it on Lamb?
Stop trying to turn his own 'ick' onto Lamb being the bad guy.
Lamb didn't do it. Own your 'ick'.

Lamb stated facts already known.
So have I.


Cha

(318,837 posts)
58. Precisely... What?! Fetterman's own Actions
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:33 PM
Apr 2022

are Not a good look. No one here made him do that.

💙💛

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
161. Lamb voted for the Trump tax cut for the rich.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 06:41 PM
Apr 2022

That's the only unforgivable fact I see concerning this primary.


We don't need another Joe Manchin in Pennsylvania.

Celerity

(54,330 posts)
84. except you conveniently leave out the fact the man involved said he wants Fetterman to win
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:20 PM
Apr 2022
Man John Fetterman confronted with a shotgun says that should not stymie his Senate bid

https://archive.ph/dd339 (no paywall blockage)

CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER


A man confronted in 2013 by a shotgun-wielding John Fetterman — then mayor of Braddock, now lieutenant governor and running for the U.S. Senate — claims Mr. Fetterman has "lied about everything" that happened that day.

But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator.

"Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)

snip

“Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good,” Miyares wrote. “Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.”

He signed that letter: “Gooo Fetterman.”

treestar

(82,383 posts)
197. that does not necessarily
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 08:21 PM
Apr 2022

affect anyone else's opinion of the incident. The voters don't have to overlook it because the victim did.

Cha

(318,837 posts)
38. TY Budi! I called out that creepy
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:52 PM
Apr 2022

crap by Ursula Perano, too.

I am so pissed right now! Fucking Gaslit Shit.

💙💛


 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
56. Yup Just couldn't help but slip that silence/Lambs , lab engineered sniveling bit in there
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:26 PM
Apr 2022

Perano, lab engineered at politico.

Cha

(318,837 posts)
61. It sounds like Politico but
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:37 PM
Apr 2022

this is from the DaileyBeast.. someone in the thread told DB to do better. Not everyone thinks the article is all that.

💙💛

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
64. She worked at Politico before DB. She was...ummm, kinda.. 'lab engineered' at Politico
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:43 PM
Apr 2022

Cha

(318,837 posts)
102. Ohh I wondered what Ursula's history
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:04 PM
Apr 2022

was. TY. Politico should be proud.. with fucking "Silence of the Lambs" shit..

💙💛


 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
104. Some sick shit huh.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:06 PM
Apr 2022

Says all we need to know about that hard hitting soc media blogger, Ursula.

dpibel

(3,916 posts)
54. Did you not get past the second paragraph?
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:23 PM
Apr 2022

The third paragraph of the OP, which is a direct quote of the second graf of the article you are so outraged about, reads like this:

A retired Marine who prosecuted sexual misconduct cases as an attorney, Lamb has spent two terms terms in Congress establishing a reputation as a moderate Democrat who found a way to win races in “Trump Country”—including in a House district that favored Republicans by double digits.


That's amazingly like the words that follow "Lamb's creds are by his own walk of life" in your post.

I think you're stretching to get this level of outrage here.

The sentence you are fantodding over is a not terribly artful effort to be a bit more colorful than, "On paper, Conor Lamb seems perfect for a race in a purple state."

To pretend like there's something sinister in "lab-engineered" is really over the top.

And do tell: Where are the factual errors in Perano's article? Aren't you arguing that there's nothing wrong with Lamb's attack ads cuz, you know, just facts?

Can't see how you can be so sad about an article that reports Lamb's own polling.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
66. 😄...'fantodding'
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:46 PM
Apr 2022

From one fantodder to another fantodder, enjoy your day!!

#FantoddersUnite!

😄
My ref about Lamb, btw, is from his bio.
I'm surprised Perano gave him that much in the 'article'.
Which she of course followed with an immediate credibility beatdown.
🙄

Cha

(318,837 posts)
113. It's always special when anyone
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:32 PM
Apr 2022

tries to tell us we shouldn't be feeling a certain way.

Like they know us better than we know ourselves.

💙💛

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
115. Ya. We're all done with the, "don't say bad things about...." aren't we.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:36 PM
Apr 2022

Thanks Cha.

Cha

(318,837 posts)
111. I'm FUCKING OUTRAGED Over that "Silence of the Lambs"..
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:28 PM
Apr 2022
Shit from Ursula Perano And her "..lab engineered .." Shit IS Also OVER the TOP.

💙💛



Cha

(318,837 posts)
112. I'm FUCKING OUTRAGED Over that "Silence of the Lambs"..
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:28 PM
Apr 2022
Shit from Ursula Perano And her "..lab engineered .." Shit IS Also OVER the TOP.

💙💛



Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
73. Fwiw, I met Lamb during his first run
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:02 PM
Apr 2022

in PA-17. It was at Community Day in the very red area where I live. He was there to meet and greet, but in the end, he got crushed on election day in my community's precincts. This is at least real evidence that his appeal to Rs is nearly non-existant.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
85. So how'd he beat the R's 3 times?
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:20 PM
Apr 2022

He has enough appeal to win this election. Across the political board. Including the largest Progressive Group & Women's & Union groups, as well as local/State leaders & educators.

That's a very good start to a Senatorial finish for Lamb.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
88. It was 1 time, in a special election
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:31 PM
Apr 2022

against a somewhat flawed R. But, no doubt that was an upset.

In the election to serve a full term, that happened in a district that was redrawn after the PA supreme court threw out the existing maps and ended up drawing and imposing their own. That newly redrawn PA 17 was actually a Dem leaning district. IIRC, it went from a small Hillary partisan edge to a larger one. He was favored to win and did. His margin was smaller in 2020, but that was due to Trump being on the ballot and bringing out the Trump cultists and the never-Trumpers who voted for Biden, but otherwise voted for Rs. I live in PA17 and voted twice for Lamb because he was the Dem candidate.

This talking point that Lamb beat Rs 3 times is simply not true. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
94. Yes. 3 time win. HERE:
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:42 PM
Apr 2022
Lamb won a special election in March 2018 in a district that Trump won by nearly 20 points. He went on to win reelection in 2018 and 2020 in two Republican districts.

That's the 3 time Win for Lamb.
No bubble burst on this side!!

💙👍


 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
98. LOL. So? Still a 3 time Win
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:01 PM
Apr 2022

Later. I'm done with this.
I believe the best candidate, most qualified to make decisions & carry every debate in the Senate, will win this race.

Best of luck.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
135. He won 3 elections, but only 1 in a R
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:52 AM
Apr 2022

district and some special circumstances figured in that because the incumbent, Tim Murphy, got caught up in a sex scandal, resigned the the Rs nominated Rick Saccone, a lackluster candidate, to run for the now open seat. Still Lamb's win was an unexpected D pick up.

After the CDs were re-drawn in 2018, Lamb's new CD, the 17th, were I live ended up as Dem majority,

Here's Wasserman from 2018: https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/house/pennsylvania-house/pa-17-rothfus-vs-lamb-clash-moves-toss-lean-democratic

In February, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court set up an epic clash when its new map paired two incumbents in the Pittsburgh suburbs in the new 17th CD. But a Monmouth University poll shows newly elected Democratic Rep. Conor Lamb leading three-term GOP Rep. Keith Rothfus 51 percent to 39 percent. It corroborates data parties have seen privately, and we're moving our rating from Toss Up to Lean Democratic.

The new 17th CD is close to Lamb's dream district. It unites almost all of suburban Allegheny County, including his home and political base of Mt. Lebanon, with Beaver County, which has a strong blue-collar Democratic heritage.

On the whole, it's much less Republican and more Pittsburgh-centric than either incumbent's current seat. Both Lamb and Rothfus's current seats voted for President Trump by around 20 points. But the new 17th CD voted for Trump by just two points, 49 percent to 47 percent (its PVI is R+3, versus R+11 in both the current 12th and 18th CDs). It also sports a double-digit Democratic voter registration advantage.


I can tell you that Lamb's wins here were the result of winning the Allegheny County part of the CD, not the Trump country part which is Beaver County and the portion of SW Butler County that made up the balance.

2018: https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/CountyBreakDownResults?officeId=11&districtId=18&ElectionID=63&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

2020: https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/CountyBreakDownResults?officeId=11&districtId=18&ElectionID=83&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
48. More like vigilanti rights vs responsible veteran, prosecutor for military women's rights,
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:11 PM
Apr 2022

......etc.

What he did was pretty controversial stuff. I can understand why he wants to turn it into Lamb being the 'bad guy' for questioning the decisions he, himself made that fateful day.

Lamb has every right to question it & thankful that he is.

Lamb's not the bad guy for questioning the dirty deed, no matter how badly they'd like to spin the 'ick' away from the one who owns it.

MyOwnPeace

(17,544 posts)
69. I agree - and I've supported BOTH in past campaigns.....
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:53 PM
Apr 2022

but strategically, I truly believe Fetterman stands a better chance of winning the state over Lamb. and at the same time, I believe the Democrats would be better served and have a stronger chance of keeping control of the House if Lamb KEPT his House seat - a seat that he brilliantly won in a very red district. I have my doubts that another Dem can pull that off if Lamb doesn't keep that seat.

BOTH are good guys - shame they are making us choose.

Deminpenn

(17,475 posts)
80. Sean Meloy seems to be a really good
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:10 PM
Apr 2022

candidate to hold the seat. Anyway, in the new map, PA-17 actually looks to be more Dem as it lost a big read area of far SW Butler county and picked up a bigger chunk of Allegheny county.

Cosmocat

(15,413 posts)
136. Yeah, I am not going to knock Lamb
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 08:06 AM
Apr 2022

though what we are seeing right now is a candidate who knows he is trouble and is getting a bit twitchy and that rarely turns out well. But, in general he has been a very solid candidate at the congressional level, and the kind of "moderate" democrat we we need to have a shot at the majority.

But, I have been supporting Fetterman for years now, and always knew he was a next level guy. He has both incredible intelligence and integrity AND a populist element.

When he was running for LT Gov, I saw him speak several times in person, and every time he said he would take losing his race 100 out of a 100 times if that meant that Wolfe would win Gov - his context was that he believed in Wolfe and more importantly that the most important thing was having a Dem gov - and how would PA have went last Nov with all the elections bullshit if Wagner was our governor ... You KNOW that puke would have let them over turn our vote.

Past that, he is UNABASHED in advocating for progressive policy. He is soft spoken, but never equivocates.

AND, has been running a statewide, every country campaign for years now.

With the endless stream of freakshow lunatics the Rs have gotten into congress, govs and statewide offices the last decade, the game has changed.

It is 2022. more and more our elections are no longer chamber of commerce elections, people are responding more and more to out of the box candidates, and the dems DESPERATELY need more people like Fetterman who are not scared to get into dust ups with Rs.



Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
139. I absolutely agree with you. I am annoyed with Lamb because he endanger Fetterman in the
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 08:47 AM
Apr 2022

General with his attacks...and I don't think Lamb will win. Thus Fetterman is likely to be the candidate and Lamb should tread carefully...the seat is more important than his ambitions or so I hope. I also worry that Lamb in the end based on his voting in the house could end up as an obstacle for us in the Senate...similar to Manchin and Sinema. Now I support both as we need the seats. We don't need to elect more of the same if we have a progressive who can win. I have long admired Fetterman.

peggysue2

(12,528 posts)
106. That's pretty cruel to tag any candidate as 'lab-engineered.'
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:15 PM
Apr 2022

Conor Lamb is a straight-forward, traditional candidate who checks all the boxes. Polished, well-spoken, experienced with a military background to boot. He's proven he can win in a red district; in fact, his win shocked a lot of people at the time. That doesn't mean he comes to a state-wide contest problem free. His voting record isn't one a lot of Dems will cheer--a 68-70% Trump/Republican vote record in the early years. He's gotten better but that first year was a doozy.

Fetterman is anything but traditional in both looks and delivery. A number of writers have described him as a 'lone wolf.' Not sure how well that translates to the Senate but the man definitely has juice when it comes to small donors who see something different in the man.

Dare I say 'authentic.' Okay, I said it.

There's nothing much or certainly not much that's obvious for the Republicans to sink their teeth into when it comes to Conor Lamb. Although I'm sure they'd come up with something; they always do.

But Fetterman?

The 2013 incident will be batted around forever which is why Fetterman needs to deflate and squash all the corners now, get both the public and press on his side. I thought he did a very credible job in the released video but he needs to do more to put it to rest. He'll get his chance in the 3 debates coming up. As for his progressive creds? He's a pro-Union guy as are most Dems. He agrees that fracking needs to stay in the short-term; that's a pretty moderate stance. He's a strong climate change policy supporter but criticizes those who say we can get all the way in the next 5-10 years. He supports Biden's BBB agenda. He's a staunch advocate for federal legalization of marijuana; the House just passed a bill to legalize cannabis.

For me, Fetterman is an unapologetic liberal. Conor Lamb is a moderate-to-conservative candidate whose liberal creds are pretty damn recent.

The only question is who has the best chance to take the seat in November. Right now, I think the primary is Fetterman's to lose. He has a big lead in the polls and the biggest war chest.

The debates are going to be important. For me and a lot of voters.

But I honestly think John Fetterman--despite conventional wisdom thus far--has a good shot at this. That rough exterior, the way he talks? He could easily be living in my working-class neighborhood despite his experience and education. I score that quality as a plus.

That said, if Conor Lamb has another surprise victory in May? He will have my vote come November.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,470 posts)
107. I am sorry but I am not impressed with Fetterman
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:15 PM
Apr 2022

He reminds of his fellow Justice Democrat, Nina Turner. Nina had a large lead at one point also but then endorsements came in. I am still looking for meaningful endorsements for Fetterman


Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
114. Do you know who Nina Turner is? she f'd Ohio and Hillary in the 2016 race... Turner supported
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:34 PM
Apr 2022

the Russian princess Stein and was almost her VP. Ohio hates Nina...she had mostly out-of-state funding and cooked the polls at first...they were her polls. She never really had much of a lead IMHO. Like him or don't but Fetterman is a loyal Democrat and nothing like Nina. That is grossly untrue and unfair.

You and I really agree with most things. But I live in Ohio and hate Nina Turner and lived in PA for years and saw candidates like Connor Lamb lose multiple generals...Katie McGinty is the most recent. Time for someone who understands the rustbelt who can win and that person is Fetterman.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,470 posts)
118. Nina was up 50% in the polls at one point
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:44 PM
Apr 2022

Luckily Jim Clyburn endorsed Shontel Brown and the rest in history. Good endorsements can make a difference

As for Nina, I am very aware of here history. I was a delegate to the 2016 convention and there were cheers when it was leaked that she would not be given a speaking slot at the convention.

Time will tell but the fact that Fetterman has refused to discuss or apologize for the shotgun incident will be getting some attention




Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
120. What polls? Not in the district. I work it every election. I don't really believe that Nina was
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:50 PM
Apr 2022

ever that far ahead...small sample's perhaps and weighted in her favor...ah who cares now anyway. However, If you are saying Lamb can win still...I don't dispute that. It is early. It is just my opinion that Pennsylvania will support Fetterman. He attracts all kinds of voters and will win the primary and then the General.

Cha

(318,837 posts)
123. Wow that Vid with Kenyatta was Excellent..
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:00 PM
Apr 2022

talking about Fetterman's responsibility or lack thereof. Rt TY!

💙💛



Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
127. I said similar candidates...have lost Senate races in the past. You know you remind me of someone.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:22 PM
Apr 2022
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
137. Flip that around: name a progressive who's won a US Senate seat in Pennsylvania
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 08:27 AM
Apr 2022

Keep in mind that the voters of Pennsylvania, who were happy to vote Democratic for President (except in 2016) voted for Toomey, Santorum and Specter, and voted for Democrats like Casey and Wofford. Where's the history of electing a "tell it like it is" progressive?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
143. Before Sherrod Brown...no progressive won an Ohio seat. And the PA party pretty much ran moderates
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 08:57 AM
Apr 2022

who some considered boring and they all lost. Time for a change... Fetterman is not an AOC-type progressive ( not that there is anything wrong with AOC...he is just different)...he understands PA and they understand him.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
150. We had a Democratic governor...but that is neither here nor there...I don't think Connor Lamb
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 10:55 AM
Apr 2022

has enough appeal to take the seat...I think John Fetterman can. That is the bottom line...so we roll the dice.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,470 posts)
151. Is Fetterman part of the Justice Democrats?
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 01:56 PM
Apr 2022

I was wondering why I was on Fetterman's email list. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and it appears that Fetterman paid one million dollars for this list



I am not a fan of the Justice Democrats and their affiliates including the Sunrise people.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
154. That's pricey, since the largest Progressive Group in PA endorsed Conor Lamb.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:07 PM
Apr 2022

He'll need a bigger email list!

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,470 posts)
155. I am not sure how I got on this list other than I maxed out for Clinton and Biden
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:18 PM
Apr 2022

Today's Fetterman email is really amusing. Fetterman is mad that a super pac is running a valid negative ad. This ad is actually mild in comparison to what the GOP would run against a weak candidate like Fetterman

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
160. No he isn't...he does fit into a neat little pacakage...great guy, great candidate and he will be a
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 06:41 PM
Apr 2022

great Senator.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,470 posts)
156. The TYT people are worried that Fetterman is going to suffer the same fate as Nina
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:45 PM
Apr 2022

I am NOT a fan of the TYT people but this video amused me


betsuni

(29,046 posts)
157. I wonder what "unapologetic populist" means.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

He lists issues he supports like higher minimum wage, health care as a human right, clean air and water, unions, money out of politics, equality, voting rights. But these are usual Democratic Party policies. I wonder what new definition "populist" has now. Maybe it's the new "progressive."

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
159. That has always been progressive...in PA when I lived there and when I left...the conventional
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 06:39 PM
Apr 2022

the wisdom that boring middle-of-the-road candidates could win the Senate...but they didn't. They lost over and over. Time for a change. McGinty was the last straw for me and my family who still live in PA. I live just over the border in Ohio.

betsuni

(29,046 posts)
162. So it's about a left-wing and right-wing populist alliance, I guess.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 06:46 PM
Apr 2022

Against the "establishment."

betsuni

(29,046 posts)
167. What's an "unapologetic populist"? His issues are the usual Democratic Party policies.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 05:37 AM
Apr 2022

What isn't usual? Any? What?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
171. He is a progressive and cares about people.And he can win. He is well liked in PA.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:42 AM
Apr 2022

Connor Lamb is cut in the cloth of Sinema and Manchin and we need them. But we don't need another.this is an opportunity to elect someone, Fetterman, who will
End the filibuster and vote for BBB among other things. Check out Connor's votes. He voted for Trump's tax cuts and to fund the wall and other Trump/GOP crap.







 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
166. Wut? Yesterday he was a Progressive JDem. Today he's a Populist.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 09:39 PM
Apr 2022

What's an “Unapologetic Populist” anyway?
You don't apologize? Well, that's already been established.

When you lose TYT.... 🤔

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
174. Fetterman is not a justice democrat. He is like Sherrod Brown and can win PA,
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:03 AM
Apr 2022

You know he is not a Justice Democrat. Please stop.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
177. Pssst...they are all under the same single organization
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:52 AM
Apr 2022

JD, WFP, DSA, Progs, Sunrise.. etc
They're all run by the same people at the top.






Celerity

(54,330 posts)
188. pssst.. Brand New Congress, DFA, and Working Families Party have endorsed Kenyatta, not Fetterman
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 01:36 PM
Apr 2022
Why aren't you firing out the attacks over that?

JD has never endorsed Fetterman.


https://www.cityandstatepa.com/content/here-are-endorsements-pennsylvania-us-senate-race

Malcolm Kenyatta, state representative

Organizations: Collective PAC, One Pennsylvania, Working Families Party, Democracy for America, Victory Fund, Brand New Congress, the Chester City Democratic Party, Chester County Young Democrats, Philadelphia 1st Ward Democrats, Philadelphia 2nd Ward Democrats, Philadelphia 8th Ward Democrats, Philadelphia 18th Ward Democrats, Neighborhood Networks.







https://secure.actblue.com/donate/c2g_bnc_malcolm_kenyatta_tandem



https://workingfamilies.org/2021/02/wfp-endorses-malcolm-kenyatta-for-pa-senate/

Cha

(318,837 posts)
119. Rt💖🤷‍♂️😎TY!
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:45 PM
Apr 2022

Really nice endorsements from the locals.

Fetterman is a "justice Democrat" like NT?!

💙💛

Celerity

(54,330 posts)
129. Probably not, that would be Kenyatta, who is endorsed by the JD-like Brand New Congress, & Working
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:40 PM
Apr 2022

Families Party. Justice Democrats will probably follow suit and endorse Kenyatta as well. I do not know what DSA will do.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
138. I like it too. It shows humor and I appreciate that...pretty sure I have used silence of the lambs
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 08:42 AM
Apr 2022

as a joke...play on words.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
144. May 17th...so there is still time for Connor Lamb to come back...I just don't think he does...
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 09:01 AM
Apr 2022

Fetterman does have a substantial lead. There will be three or four more debates at the national level...carried by the big stations.

SYFROYH

(34,214 posts)
146. Primary voting day is May 17 which is about 45 days away.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 09:21 AM
Apr 2022


I like what Lamb did in his district to win, but if Fetterman has the moment then so be it.

At first I thought Fetterman was a bit unstable when I first saw his videos, but he seems to keep it together and is solid.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
180. Mr Fetterman. Please pull the statement & correct. Its not " Conor Lamb's Super PAC"
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 10:48 AM
Apr 2022

Fetterman should now pull that statement about "Conor Lamb's Super Pac".
Its not his PAC. Its one that supports him, which he has no control over.
It is not "Conor Lamb's Super PAC"

Please pull the statement & correct, Mr Fetterman.
Thanks!




Since the claim of......" running an honest, people-powered campaign".

At least keep it honest.

Thanks!

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
181. I saw that ad...glad it was pulled. This sort of scorched earth tactics must stop...it wasn't true
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:21 AM
Apr 2022

lucky if Fetterman doesn't sue them. But he usually takes the high road of course.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
182. Sue for what? He named a false PAC as Lamb's. He can now retract his false statement.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:27 AM
Apr 2022

Dirtyy is dirty no matter how honest you try painting your image.

Will wait for his big announcement across the same media outlets he ran his intentional & disingenuous smear against Lamb.

I'm sure he, being the honest man he claims, will get right on it.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
185. That's not how he cleverly worded his statement.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:56 AM
Apr 2022

Did he list the actual name of the PAC that retracted their statement?

NOPE. He called it 'Conor Lamb's Super PAC'. Which it is not.
He blamed the wrong PAC & made sure attribute it to Conor Lamb rather than who it actually was & then ran it across media lines.

Lamb had nothing to do with the statement from a PAC since it wasn't his.

But now his own false statement is somehow ok?
Dirty intent is still dirty, no matter how 'honest' one claims they are.

So much for the claim, "runnning an honest people powered campaign".

At least live up to that claim.



Celerity

(54,330 posts)
191. It was not the 'wrong PAC', I already posted the exact advert that was pulled down (and why)
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 05:44 PM
Apr 2022

All your semantical pettifogging cannot change that fact.

The dirty intent was from the Lamb-supporting Super Pac called 'Pennsylvania Progress'.

Your failed spin is all over the place.

You always try and lump most all progs together, always play guilt by association games, try to tar and feather all with the same broad brush no matter how tenuous the linkage is, claim they all are the same, run by the same people.

Yet NOW you are trying to separate out a Super PAC that IS directly supporting Lamb???

Fetterman has never been endorsed by any of the groups you constantly attack.

In fact another candidate, Kenyatta, has been endorsed by some of your constant targets, orgs that you profess over and over are part of an anti-Dem super secret cabal, and yet nothing from you about that, zero, zip.

All you offer up is just the same old repetitious false framings slagging off Fetterman.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
184. The PAC that favors Lamb ran the ad , And I saw it, Lamb is 30+ points down.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:47 AM
Apr 2022

They were trying to help and Fetterman called it out...clearly, it created a backlash or it would still be running...true or not.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
186. Thanks for the update on the man whom Fetterman talked to...I don't know if using this guy
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 12:05 PM
Apr 2022

will help Representative Lamb much...this guy was charged with kidnapping for ransom!! And as your posting showed is currently in prison.

• Christopher James Miyares, 34, of Pittsburgh on charges of kidnapping for ransom, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, recklessly endangering another person, false imprisonment and driving with a suspended license. Wilkins Township police filed the charges March 8.

https://www.abc27.com/2022-united-states-senate-election-in-pennsylvania/is-fetterman-is-pulling-away-in-the-pennsylvania-senate-race/

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
187. He was falsly profiled. Ran down into the next district, shotgun pointed at his chest...
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 12:11 PM
Apr 2022

Police revealed he DID NOTHING to be profiled on a false "assumption" as he was.

Vigilantism. What else is it?

If Fetterman knew of the guy's background then he also knew he was a Black man. Something he claimed he didn't know because of his mask.
So which is it?

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