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John Fetterman according to Lambs' own internal Poll showed that Fetterman was the better candidate for the General as well as beating Lamb by 30 points currently in the primary.
"On paper, Democratic Rep. Conor Lamb appears lab-engineered to win in a purple state.
"A retired Marine who prosecuted sexual misconduct cases as an attorney, Lamb has spent two terms terms in Congress establishing a reputation as a moderate Democrat who found a way to win races in Trump Countryincluding in a House district that favored Republicans by double digits.
But six months after his August announcement, Lambs Senate bid in Pennsylvania is not going according to plan.
Lagging in the polls and falling behind in fundraising, Lamb was left off a list of local politicians who assembled to greet President Joe Biden when he visited Philadelphia earlier this month.
To make matters worse, a poll recently commissioned by Lambs own super PAC showed his main Democratic opponentJohn Fettermannot just beating him in a primary where the more liberal candidate often has more traction; polling showed Fetterman as the better candidate in a general election, against potential GOP nominees like Dr. Mehmet Oz.
And Lambs super PAC didnt just see Fetterman with a small edge. What it saw, according to Politico, was Lamb trailing Fetterman by 30 points. Barring a miraculous turn of events, that kind of lead would almost be insurmountable.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/will-john-fetterman-silence-conor-lamb-in-pennsylvania-senate-face-off
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This pernicious fallacy has cost us so many elections. Purple states are evenly divided between left and right. The right is crazy; no Dem will ever get their votes. Today, there is NO MIDDLE (except that some Dem politicians seem to want to be there). To win votes, a Dem candidate needs to energize the base. Don't woo the right; they are a LOST CAUSE.
Walleye
(44,714 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)a Senator Lamb would resemble Manchin and Sinema more than say Sherrod Brown...my point is I am happy to have both Manchin and Sinema...we need them for a majority but please God we don't need more like them. If we can win one more Senate seat, we can get rid of the filibuster. I would bet the farm that Lamb won't vote to get rid of the filibuster. I hope someone asks him that in the coming debates. I also believe that Lamb is like all the other candidates that lost in previous years. We need someone fresh in PA.
Walleye
(44,714 posts)Youve convinced me for Fetterman, unfortunately I vote in Delaware so Like Howard Dean said Im from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)eliminate the filibuster in the Senate.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)and might not do it. I support Fetterman even though I can't vote for him...live in Ohio. I can donate and work the primary though... The reason is that I do not believe that Lamb will be a reliable vote. I am happy to have both Manchin and Sinema but I don't want another one like them. And why not support a progressive rather than moderate if he/she can win? I believe Fetterman has the best chance to win this senate seat.
Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)but just wanted to point out the filibuster positions FTR and to be fair.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Cha
(318,837 posts)
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joe-biden-campaigns-democrat-conor-lamb-pa-special/story?id=53551939|
Thank You for this, YorkRd!

LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)I was at a fundraiser for Joe back in 2019 and Joe took my iphone from me and took three great pictures so fast that I was surprised
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...or when we picked our Presidential candidate in 2020.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)we are talking about.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Its a mix of liberals and conservative with suburban moderates who tend to support Democrats when theyre not left wing. Same way we won competitive seats in 2018.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)We have run modern candidates since I can remember the entire time I lived...there and not won the seat. I think Fetterman can win. I look at Connor Lamb and I know he won once in a red district but there was a sex scandal as you remember and after that, there was redistricting and he ran twice in a more favorable district. I think it would be no different in the end than Katie McGinty. I just don't think he can win a general. And I want to win.
I think Fetterman has a stronger record and is a better candidate. He is more suited to a rustbelt state like Pennsylvania. Also, while I am happy to have Manchin and Sinema as we need the seats for a majority if a progressive can win a Senate seat, I want to support him or her. It will give us better options policywise.
Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)but it is not true with how the state votes.
If Philadelphians voted at the same percentage as the rest of the state, Dems would never lose, but that doesn't happen. Worked the polls there for a 4 year cycle, the best turnout came when Rendell was on the ballot for governor, otherwise, turnout was ok, but never matched the 70-80% turnout elsewhere. The Philadelphia collar counties have been turning more Dem for 20+ years now.
In the western part of the state, you have almost fanatical loyalty to candidates from that area regardless of political party and voters here vote. It gives western PA outsized influence in elections in relation to its percentage of the state's population.
Then you have the "T" where turnout is generally also high although the raw numbers are low, but where populist economic policies are also popular. In 2016, Bernie Sanders won these counties over Hillary Clinton.
This is why Fetterman is going to win. Western PA voters are going to vote for him overwhelmingly and his populist economic policies along with pledging to break the logjam in Washington is going to play well in the "T". Lots of people make the mistake of thinking Americans hate government when what they really hate is gridlock and government not working to solve their problems. This is why Tom Wolfe won re-election easily in 2018, because voters saw him as making the state government work.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)in 2018, something Conor Lamb did not do.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)a chance to send a progressive to the Senate in PA...great opportunity.
Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)drawing its own map and imposing it on the state in 2018 was a big part of that win, right? PA went from 13R-5D to 9R-9D after that.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)We used to have shot at some voters but not recently.
YorkRd
(434 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)do better than Lamb in a general.
Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)as that CD, PA-18 at the time, was an R district. His win in the redrawn CD, PA-17, a few months later wasn't surprising as it was a D majority. The last win was in the same CD and was closer being a presidential election year that drew not only Trump cultists, but "Biden Rs" who voted R down ballot.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Lamb is very much like the candidates that have tried before and lost. I want someone who is different this time and who can win.
YorkRd
(434 posts)Fetterman won a town of 2000
PA Democrat
(13,428 posts)Lamb ran in the special election to fill Tim Murphy's seat in the PA 18th in March 2018. The PA 18 was a republican leaning district.
District maps were redrawn after the PA Supreme Court ruled the former heavily gerrymandered maps unconstitutional.
In Nov 2018 Lamb ran in the newly redistricted Pa 17th which has been rated as leans Democratic by Cook Political report. Biden won the Pa 17th by a margin just slightly less than Lamb.
https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/24/new-pennsylvania-district-tilts-democratic/
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Celerity
(54,330 posts)Also the town Fetterman won re-election in over and over is is almost 70% black, 22% white. The 2018 Blue Wave-precursor special election win for Lamb was in a 90+% white district. The Rethug incumbent, Tim Murphy, who was involved in a sex and abortion scandal, resigned, which depressed the RW vote to a point.
Lamb was redistricted after that to a lean-Dem district, so your claim of 3 wins in a Red district is also a no go.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Celerity
(54,330 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:36 PM - Edit history (3)
Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvaniahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Pennsylvania
official duties are serving as president of the State Senate and chairing the Board of Pardons and the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Council.
Lieutenant governors often work on additional projects and have a full schedule of community and speaking events.
Pennsylvania is the only state that provides an official residence, State House at Fort Indiantown Gap, for its lieutenant governor.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)PAMod
(944 posts)Lt. Governor Fetterman opposed the state providing an official residence for the Lt. Governor; he never lived in it, and it was given to the Department of Military & Veterans Affairs by statute.
He lives in a Harrisburg apartment that he pays for when he has to be in the capital city.
Celerity
(54,330 posts)when they said
PAMod
(944 posts)It was just that last part that was no longer accurate.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)It - was - a state with a home for the LG.
Walleye
(44,714 posts)We need to put up somebody a little flamboyant to counter this doctor Oz character. I dont think going bland is even good philosophy on this one. Much less strategy. Ill be rooting for Fetterman, I just hope he doesnt skip any more debates. Of course Im from out of state so my opinion doesnt matter very much
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)runner. He is a good debater too.
Walleye
(44,714 posts)And the times I have seen him interviewed on local news, Ive liked him
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Walleye
(44,714 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Fetterman is a controversial guy who scares people. I just can't see him winning suburban women or winning the rural battle.
Fetterman will depress the black vote because of his bad interview about chasing an innocent guy down the street after hearing fireworks, thinking it was a gun and pulling a shotgun on him while he was mayor and saying he didn't know if he broke the law or not.
Lamb is a truly great proven Bidenlike candidate who has proven he can beat Republicans in their own districts while Fetterman has never really won against a Republican on his own. Lots of Fetterman supporters say Lamb votes like Manchin but truth be told, Manchin would do very well in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is not as purple as many seem to think, the suburbs around Pittsburgh are very red. Youngkin won big with rural voters especially the elderly. Pennsylvania has even more of these voters than Virginia.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)so much of PA like Ohio is linked to Manufacturing even in the burbs...and he is well like by the UAW and others. Connor Lamb is like all the other candidates that the party kind of foisted on us...he will lose a general IMHO.
YorkRd
(434 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)The fact is people know him and like him. I don't doubt Lamb has his good points. He won a GOP district...but I don't like some of the votes he took. And we have a chance to elect Fetterman who will support progressive bills...I can't be sure that Lamb will. Thus, if I could vote which I can't because I now live in Ohio, I would vote for Fetterman in the primary...anyone in the general. I lived in PA for many years.
MyOwnPeace
(17,544 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)so I think you are wrong.
Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)that had little hope, and giving it not only hope, but putting it on a path to real revitalization. You have no idea how much everyone else who lives in similar towns understands how hard this is and how much dedication it takes.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)hurt our region.
Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Marysville Ohio is UAW and must make most of the cars from parts made in this country...it was Bush 1 and Bush 2 who really hurt us. Now Clinton signed NAFTA... a big mistake in my opinion. And I knew when I voted for Pres. Obama, he favored trade agreements...and I cringed every time I heard someone on our side pronounce 'the jobs are not coming back' and then make the suggestion that everyone in the rustbelt knows only too well... but we can offer training...for what exactly?
betsuni
(29,046 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)My husband worked for the big three. Every plant he worked
In shut down.
PA Democrat
(13,428 posts)cosplay
noun
the practice of dressing up as a character from a movie, book, or video game.
verb
engage in cosplay.
I guess you've never seen how Fetterman dresses.
Additionally, you must not have ever read anything about Fetterman because he has NEVER purported himself to be a mayor of a "big city."
He has been featured over the years in a number of national publications including Rolling Stone magazine and the Alantic magazine, and the story he tells has been about how he ran for mayor of a forgotten town that has lost jobs, population and hope.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)And 70% black.
Doesn't look like a strong 'lack of support' among that voter segment......... you know, the 'depressed black vote.'
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I know about the incident and I don't think that will matter.
Celerity
(54,330 posts)Your candidate Lamb (who you said will be POTUS someday) has never polled over 16% since last summer.
And you are simply off the rails if you think Manchin would win in PA.
Good luck with Philadelphia and old Coal Joe. Manchin would get destroyed in PA over his blocking of the BBB and blocking all the voter bills.
Man John Fetterman confronted with a shotgun says that should not stymie his Senate bid
https://archive.ph/dd339 (no paywall blockage)
CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER
But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator.
"Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)
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Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good, Miyares wrote. Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.
He signed that letter: Gooo Fetterman.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Facts are facts.
Fetterman owns the decisions he made & has nothing to do with Lamb or Kenyatta questioning those facts.
Cha
(318,837 posts)that mean Spirited SHIT? Referencing "The Silence of the Lambs" movie.. that's some clever shit right there
I call Bullshit. "..appears lab engineered..".. It's Conor Lamb's history and life not from a fucking lab, asshole Ursula Perano .
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Budi
(15,325 posts)Cha
(318,837 posts)True!
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Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)Smh...
Budi
(15,325 posts)Reading her other postings I'd say she is not a Democrat, will step on a Democrat to advance herself & chosen political favs.
She can't seem to find a thing positive that Biden has done.
She's a mimic of every graduate of Politico cult writers.
Thus the sniveling statement of "lab engineered' to define Fetterman's opponant. A Democrat.
We know who she is & isn't. She made it clear.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for what they are and spread them. Or worse, do and spread them.
We can always cut clips of what we feel is valid information from partisan hit jobs, while leaving behind all that doesn't meet our standards for objective honesty.
America's biggest political problem, and it's become huge, is normalization of the embrace of partisan dishonesty.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Check out the Lamb votes. Fettermwn is the sort of PA politician who can win statewide and give us a senate seat. He will vote for our policy. Lamb will not IMHO win the election and is more likely to vote like Sinema and Machin. We need them for a majority. But we don't need another. We have had candidates like Lamb for the PA Senate for years. And they lose. Katie McGinty being the latest. And just to make my point clear, this is not a dishonest article.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Dishonesty" I refer to is not limited to whoppers but includes spins designed to instill impressions distorted to various degrees away from truth. "X is a loser."
Deceit.
I try to scrutinize every article to see if it's actually serving as a delivery vehicle for mindfuckery, though picking up on deceit sometimes requires more knowledge than I have. Not in this case. The entire article is a classic push of its anti-X influence narrative, but that theme is summarized right up top to get into the heads of the majority who won't read beyond the headline.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)30 points behind. The party faithful stepped just short of endorsing him but he has their support. and every damn candidate chosen by them has lost. Now Connor Lamb put a hit piece commercial out today calling Fetterman a Democrat socialist...which he is not. That was an out-and-out lie and negative. They were forced to take it down as Sen. Warren intervened. Connor Lamb is not doing well and Fetterman is perfect for Pennsylvania and a loyal Democrat. I don't see anything wrong with this article. But we can agree to disagree. When I look at Lamb, I see a male version of Katie McGinty who is a good person but lost last time. I want to win. I think our best chance is with Fetterman. No guarantees of course it is a midterm...but he is our best shot. We can agree to disagree.
treestar
(82,383 posts)is different from voting from the entire State, as Senators do.
We hope elected officials represent their constituents. The constituency is largely changed if one becomes a Senator. Then it is not just that one district.
ColinC
(11,098 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)Smh...
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)As soon as I am done cringing at the title lol
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)No one "engineered" Mr Lamb.
That is a RW talking point & is a flat out lie.
Lamb's creds are by his own walk of life.
Congressman Conor Lamb is a Marine and a former federal prosecutor who is running for the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania.
Lamb represents Pennsylvanias 17th district in Congress, which includes much of the Pittsburgh-area suburbs and all of Beaver County. Lamb won a special election in March 2018 in a district that Trump won by nearly 20 points. He went on to win reelection in 2018 and 2020 in two Republican districts.
HERE'S MORE:
Perhaps the writer of this article could educate herself about Conor Lamb before such a stupid intentionally demoralizing statement.
https://conorlamb.com/meet-conor
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)to win PA...and the site you have is made for the candidate.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Her writings are practically "Lab Engineered" to demean & demoralize Democrats including President Biden, depending what her soc media followers 'like' & 'follow'.
She's writing for a particular audience.
sheshe2
(97,458 posts)I don't here. Lest we forget, Nina Turner was winning by about 30% by her own polls and lost big time. Polls don't really matter, winning does.
I understand, it is not my state however Fetterman doesn't sit well with me.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Fetterman is a great candidate. Year after year when I lived in PA we had these candidates for the Senate that were just not great for our state...and to me, Lamb reminds me of them...Katie McGinty was the most recent. I think Fetterman can win and he is progressive so I will donate and support the campaign with calls or what have you. I live in Ohio now so I can't vote but I will do what I can. I don't know if Lamb can win.
blue neen
(12,465 posts)against Democratic candidates, doesn't it?
Here's what you need to consider. This negativity started last week when Conor Lamb decided to use it because he is so far behind in this race. IMHO, the attacks will not help Lamb at all.
I will gladly vote for either candidate in the General, that's a given. At the same time, we in PA are tired of being railroaded into voting for whoever the outside paid political operatives decide we should vote for...and that's exactly what is going on here. Just like Katie McGinty. Nope, not doing that again.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)so we get PA news and ads.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Lamb stated facts.
So has Kenyatta for that matter.
blue neen
(12,465 posts)however, I will refrain. I'm not going to attack a fellow Democrat in the ways that you are attacking John Fetterman. It is a bad look, and it's not working.
Bye.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Why are his supporters trying to scrape the 'ick' of what he did & sticking it on Lamb?
Stop trying to turn his own 'ick' onto Lamb being the bad guy.
Lamb didn't do it. Own your 'ick'.
Lamb stated facts already known.
So have I.
Cha
(318,837 posts)are Not a good look. No one here made him do that.
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DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)That's the only unforgivable fact I see concerning this primary.
We don't need another Joe Manchin in Pennsylvania.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Celerity
(54,330 posts)https://archive.ph/dd339 (no paywall blockage)
CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER
But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator.
"Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)
snip
Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good, Miyares wrote. Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.
He signed that letter: Gooo Fetterman.
treestar
(82,383 posts)affect anyone else's opinion of the incident. The voters don't have to overlook it because the victim did.
Cha
(318,837 posts)crap by Ursula Perano, too.
I am so pissed right now! Fucking Gaslit Shit.
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Budi
(15,325 posts)Perano, lab engineered at politico.
Cha
(318,837 posts)this is from the DaileyBeast.. someone in the thread told DB to do better. Not everyone thinks the article is all that.
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Budi
(15,325 posts)Cha
(318,837 posts)was. TY. Politico should be proud.. with fucking "Silence of the Lambs" shit..
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Budi
(15,325 posts)Says all we need to know about that hard hitting soc media blogger, Ursula.
dpibel
(3,916 posts)The third paragraph of the OP, which is a direct quote of the second graf of the article you are so outraged about, reads like this:
A retired Marine who prosecuted sexual misconduct cases as an attorney, Lamb has spent two terms terms in Congress establishing a reputation as a moderate Democrat who found a way to win races in Trump Countryincluding in a House district that favored Republicans by double digits.
That's amazingly like the words that follow "Lamb's creds are by his own walk of life" in your post.
I think you're stretching to get this level of outrage here.
The sentence you are fantodding over is a not terribly artful effort to be a bit more colorful than, "On paper, Conor Lamb seems perfect for a race in a purple state."
To pretend like there's something sinister in "lab-engineered" is really over the top.
And do tell: Where are the factual errors in Perano's article? Aren't you arguing that there's nothing wrong with Lamb's attack ads cuz, you know, just facts?
Can't see how you can be so sad about an article that reports Lamb's own polling.
Budi
(15,325 posts)From one fantodder to another fantodder, enjoy your day!!
#FantoddersUnite!
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My ref about Lamb, btw, is from his bio.
I'm surprised Perano gave him that much in the 'article'.
Which she of course followed with an immediate credibility beatdown.
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Cha
(318,837 posts)tries to tell us we shouldn't be feeling a certain way.
Like they know us better than we know ourselves.
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Budi
(15,325 posts)Thanks Cha.
Cha
(318,837 posts)
Cha
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Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)in PA-17. It was at Community Day in the very red area where I live. He was there to meet and greet, but in the end, he got crushed on election day in my community's precincts. This is at least real evidence that his appeal to Rs is nearly non-existant.
Budi
(15,325 posts)He has enough appeal to win this election. Across the political board. Including the largest Progressive Group & Women's & Union groups, as well as local/State leaders & educators.
That's a very good start to a Senatorial finish for Lamb.
Celerity
(54,330 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)against a somewhat flawed R. But, no doubt that was an upset.
In the election to serve a full term, that happened in a district that was redrawn after the PA supreme court threw out the existing maps and ended up drawing and imposing their own. That newly redrawn PA 17 was actually a Dem leaning district. IIRC, it went from a small Hillary partisan edge to a larger one. He was favored to win and did. His margin was smaller in 2020, but that was due to Trump being on the ballot and bringing out the Trump cultists and the never-Trumpers who voted for Biden, but otherwise voted for Rs. I live in PA17 and voted twice for Lamb because he was the Dem candidate.
This talking point that Lamb beat Rs 3 times is simply not true. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Budi
(15,325 posts)That's the 3 time Win for Lamb.
No bubble burst on this side!!
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Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Later. I'm done with this.
I believe the best candidate, most qualified to make decisions & carry every debate in the Senate, will win this race.
Best of luck.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Cha
(318,837 posts)Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)district and some special circumstances figured in that because the incumbent, Tim Murphy, got caught up in a sex scandal, resigned the the Rs nominated Rick Saccone, a lackluster candidate, to run for the now open seat. Still Lamb's win was an unexpected D pick up.
After the CDs were re-drawn in 2018, Lamb's new CD, the 17th, were I live ended up as Dem majority,
Here's Wasserman from 2018: https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/house/pennsylvania-house/pa-17-rothfus-vs-lamb-clash-moves-toss-lean-democratic
The new 17th CD is close to Lamb's dream district. It unites almost all of suburban Allegheny County, including his home and political base of Mt. Lebanon, with Beaver County, which has a strong blue-collar Democratic heritage.
On the whole, it's much less Republican and more Pittsburgh-centric than either incumbent's current seat. Both Lamb and Rothfus's current seats voted for President Trump by around 20 points. But the new 17th CD voted for Trump by just two points, 49 percent to 47 percent (its PVI is R+3, versus R+11 in both the current 12th and 18th CDs). It also sports a double-digit Democratic voter registration advantage.
I can tell you that Lamb's wins here were the result of winning the Allegheny County part of the CD, not the Trump country part which is Beaver County and the portion of SW Butler County that made up the balance.
2018: https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/CountyBreakDownResults?officeId=11&districtId=18&ElectionID=63&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0
2020: https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/CountyBreakDownResults?officeId=11&districtId=18&ElectionID=83&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0
msongs
(73,694 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)......etc.
What he did was pretty controversial stuff. I can understand why he wants to turn it into Lamb being the 'bad guy' for questioning the decisions he, himself made that fateful day.
Lamb has every right to question it & thankful that he is.
Lamb's not the bad guy for questioning the dirty deed, no matter how badly they'd like to spin the 'ick' away from the one who owns it.
YorkRd
(434 posts)Budi
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Sugarcoated
(8,240 posts)He's a fighter and that's exactly what we need
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)I like them both.
MyOwnPeace
(17,544 posts)but strategically, I truly believe Fetterman stands a better chance of winning the state over Lamb. and at the same time, I believe the Democrats would be better served and have a stronger chance of keeping control of the House if Lamb KEPT his House seat - a seat that he brilliantly won in a very red district. I have my doubts that another Dem can pull that off if Lamb doesn't keep that seat.
BOTH are good guys - shame they are making us choose.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Deminpenn
(17,475 posts)candidate to hold the seat. Anyway, in the new map, PA-17 actually looks to be more Dem as it lost a big read area of far SW Butler county and picked up a bigger chunk of Allegheny county.
Cosmocat
(15,413 posts)though what we are seeing right now is a candidate who knows he is trouble and is getting a bit twitchy and that rarely turns out well. But, in general he has been a very solid candidate at the congressional level, and the kind of "moderate" democrat we we need to have a shot at the majority.
But, I have been supporting Fetterman for years now, and always knew he was a next level guy. He has both incredible intelligence and integrity AND a populist element.
When he was running for LT Gov, I saw him speak several times in person, and every time he said he would take losing his race 100 out of a 100 times if that meant that Wolfe would win Gov - his context was that he believed in Wolfe and more importantly that the most important thing was having a Dem gov - and how would PA have went last Nov with all the elections bullshit if Wagner was our governor ... You KNOW that puke would have let them over turn our vote.
Past that, he is UNABASHED in advocating for progressive policy. He is soft spoken, but never equivocates.
AND, has been running a statewide, every country campaign for years now.
With the endless stream of freakshow lunatics the Rs have gotten into congress, govs and statewide offices the last decade, the game has changed.
It is 2022. more and more our elections are no longer chamber of commerce elections, people are responding more and more to out of the box candidates, and the dems DESPERATELY need more people like Fetterman who are not scared to get into dust ups with Rs.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)General with his attacks...and I don't think Lamb will win. Thus Fetterman is likely to be the candidate and Lamb should tread carefully...the seat is more important than his ambitions or so I hope. I also worry that Lamb in the end based on his voting in the house could end up as an obstacle for us in the Senate...similar to Manchin and Sinema. Now I support both as we need the seats. We don't need to elect more of the same if we have a progressive who can win. I have long admired Fetterman.
budkin
(6,849 posts)ALL DAY.
peggysue2
(12,528 posts)Conor Lamb is a straight-forward, traditional candidate who checks all the boxes. Polished, well-spoken, experienced with a military background to boot. He's proven he can win in a red district; in fact, his win shocked a lot of people at the time. That doesn't mean he comes to a state-wide contest problem free. His voting record isn't one a lot of Dems will cheer--a 68-70% Trump/Republican vote record in the early years. He's gotten better but that first year was a doozy.
Fetterman is anything but traditional in both looks and delivery. A number of writers have described him as a 'lone wolf.' Not sure how well that translates to the Senate but the man definitely has juice when it comes to small donors who see something different in the man.
Dare I say 'authentic.' Okay, I said it.
There's nothing much or certainly not much that's obvious for the Republicans to sink their teeth into when it comes to Conor Lamb. Although I'm sure they'd come up with something; they always do.
But Fetterman?
The 2013 incident will be batted around forever which is why Fetterman needs to deflate and squash all the corners now, get both the public and press on his side. I thought he did a very credible job in the released video but he needs to do more to put it to rest. He'll get his chance in the 3 debates coming up. As for his progressive creds? He's a pro-Union guy as are most Dems. He agrees that fracking needs to stay in the short-term; that's a pretty moderate stance. He's a strong climate change policy supporter but criticizes those who say we can get all the way in the next 5-10 years. He supports Biden's BBB agenda. He's a staunch advocate for federal legalization of marijuana; the House just passed a bill to legalize cannabis.
For me, Fetterman is an unapologetic liberal. Conor Lamb is a moderate-to-conservative candidate whose liberal creds are pretty damn recent.
The only question is who has the best chance to take the seat in November. Right now, I think the primary is Fetterman's to lose. He has a big lead in the polls and the biggest war chest.
The debates are going to be important. For me and a lot of voters.
But I honestly think John Fetterman--despite conventional wisdom thus far--has a good shot at this. That rough exterior, the way he talks? He could easily be living in my working-class neighborhood despite his experience and education. I score that quality as a plus.
That said, if Conor Lamb has another surprise victory in May? He will have my vote come November.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Celerity
(54,330 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)He reminds of his fellow Justice Democrat, Nina Turner. Nina had a large lead at one point also but then endorsements came in. I am still looking for meaningful endorsements for Fetterman
Link to tweet
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)the Russian princess Stein and was almost her VP. Ohio hates Nina...she had mostly out-of-state funding and cooked the polls at first...they were her polls. She never really had much of a lead IMHO. Like him or don't but Fetterman is a loyal Democrat and nothing like Nina. That is grossly untrue and unfair.
You and I really agree with most things. But I live in Ohio and hate Nina Turner and lived in PA for years and saw candidates like Connor Lamb lose multiple generals...Katie McGinty is the most recent. Time for someone who understands the rustbelt who can win and that person is Fetterman.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)Luckily Jim Clyburn endorsed Shontel Brown and the rest in history. Good endorsements can make a difference
As for Nina, I am very aware of here history. I was a delegate to the 2016 convention and there were cheers when it was leaked that she would not be given a speaking slot at the convention.
Time will tell but the fact that Fetterman has refused to discuss or apologize for the shotgun incident will be getting some attention
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ever that far ahead...small sample's perhaps and weighted in her favor...ah who cares now anyway. However, If you are saying Lamb can win still...I don't dispute that. It is early. It is just my opinion that Pennsylvania will support Fetterman. He attracts all kinds of voters and will win the primary and then the General.
Cha
(318,837 posts)talking about Fetterman's responsibility or lack thereof. Rt TY!
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LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)YorkRd
(434 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Keep in mind that the voters of Pennsylvania, who were happy to vote Democratic for President (except in 2016) voted for Toomey, Santorum and Specter, and voted for Democrats like Casey and Wofford. Where's the history of electing a "tell it like it is" progressive?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)who some considered boring and they all lost. Time for a change... Fetterman is not an AOC-type progressive ( not that there is anything wrong with AOC...he is just different)...he understands PA and they understand him.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)has enough appeal to take the seat...I think John Fetterman can. That is the bottom line...so we roll the dice.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)I was wondering why I was on Fetterman's email list. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and it appears that Fetterman paid one million dollars for this list
Link to tweet
I am not a fan of the Justice Democrats and their affiliates including the Sunrise people.
Budi
(15,325 posts)He'll need a bigger email list!
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)Today's Fetterman email is really amusing. Fetterman is mad that a super pac is running a valid negative ad. This ad is actually mild in comparison to what the GOP would run against a weak candidate like Fetterman
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)great Senator.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,470 posts)betsuni
(29,046 posts)He lists issues he supports like higher minimum wage, health care as a human right, clean air and water, unions, money out of politics, equality, voting rights. But these are usual Democratic Party policies. I wonder what new definition "populist" has now. Maybe it's the new "progressive."
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)the wisdom that boring middle-of-the-road candidates could win the Senate...but they didn't. They lost over and over. Time for a change. McGinty was the last straw for me and my family who still live in PA. I live just over the border in Ohio.
betsuni
(29,046 posts)Against the "establishment."
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)betsuni
(29,046 posts)What isn't usual? Any? What?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Connor Lamb is cut in the cloth of Sinema and Manchin and we need them. But we don't need another.this is an opportunity to elect someone, Fetterman, who will
End the filibuster and vote for BBB among other things. Check out Connor's votes. He voted for Trump's tax cuts and to fund the wall and other Trump/GOP crap.
Budi
(15,325 posts)"Cut in the cloth....."
Haaaahaaa...
Wtf ever
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)What's an Unapologetic Populist anyway?
You don't apologize? Well, that's already been established.
When you lose TYT.... 🤔
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)You know he is not a Justice Democrat. Please stop.
Budi
(15,325 posts)JD, WFP, DSA, Progs, Sunrise.. etc
They're all run by the same people at the top.
Celerity
(54,330 posts)JD has never endorsed Fetterman.
https://www.cityandstatepa.com/content/here-are-endorsements-pennsylvania-us-senate-race
Malcolm Kenyatta, state representative
Organizations: Collective PAC, One Pennsylvania, Working Families Party, Democracy for America, Victory Fund, Brand New Congress, the Chester City Democratic Party, Chester County Young Democrats, Philadelphia 1st Ward Democrats, Philadelphia 2nd Ward Democrats, Philadelphia 8th Ward Democrats, Philadelphia 18th Ward Democrats, Neighborhood Networks.

Link to tweet
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/c2g_bnc_malcolm_kenyatta_tandem

https://workingfamilies.org/2021/02/wfp-endorses-malcolm-kenyatta-for-pa-senate/

Cha
(318,837 posts)Really nice endorsements from the locals.
Fetterman is a "justice Democrat" like NT?!
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Celerity
(54,330 posts)Families Party. Justice Democrats will probably follow suit and endorse Kenyatta as well. I do not know what DSA will do.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,457 posts)Sorry after reading your title I couldn't resist.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Cha
(318,837 posts)Perano was going for.
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betsuni
(29,046 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)as a joke...play on words.
Omaha Steve
(109,128 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Fetterman does have a substantial lead. There will be three or four more debates at the national level...carried by the big stations.
SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)I like what Lamb did in his district to win, but if Fetterman has the moment then so be it.
At first I thought Fetterman was a bit unstable when I first saw his videos, but he seems to keep it together and is solid.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Fetterman should now pull that statement about "Conor Lamb's Super Pac".
Its not his PAC. Its one that supports him, which he has no control over.
It is not "Conor Lamb's Super PAC"
Please pull the statement & correct, Mr Fetterman.
Thanks!
Link to tweet
Since the claim of......" running an honest, people-powered campaign".
At least keep it honest.
Thanks!
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)lucky if Fetterman doesn't sue them. But he usually takes the high road of course.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Dirtyy is dirty no matter how honest you try painting your image.
Will wait for his big announcement across the same media outlets he ran his intentional & disingenuous smear against Lamb.
I'm sure he, being the honest man he claims, will get right on it.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)That is politics for you.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Did he list the actual name of the PAC that retracted their statement?
NOPE. He called it 'Conor Lamb's Super PAC'. Which it is not.
He blamed the wrong PAC & made sure attribute it to Conor Lamb rather than who it actually was & then ran it across media lines.
Lamb had nothing to do with the statement from a PAC since it wasn't his.
But now his own false statement is somehow ok?
Dirty intent is still dirty, no matter how 'honest' one claims they are.
So much for the claim, "runnning an honest people powered campaign".
At least live up to that claim.
Celerity
(54,330 posts)All your semantical pettifogging cannot change that fact.
The dirty intent was from the Lamb-supporting Super Pac called 'Pennsylvania Progress'.
Your failed spin is all over the place.
You always try and lump most all progs together, always play guilt by association games, try to tar and feather all with the same broad brush no matter how tenuous the linkage is, claim they all are the same, run by the same people.
Yet NOW you are trying to separate out a Super PAC that IS directly supporting Lamb???
Fetterman has never been endorsed by any of the groups you constantly attack.
In fact another candidate, Kenyatta, has been endorsed by some of your constant targets, orgs that you profess over and over are part of an anti-Dem super secret cabal, and yet nothing from you about that, zero, zip.
All you offer up is just the same old repetitious false framings slagging off Fetterman.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)They were trying to help and Fetterman called it out...clearly, it created a backlash or it would still be running...true or not.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)will help Representative Lamb much...this guy was charged with kidnapping for ransom!! And as your posting showed is currently in prison.
Christopher James Miyares, 34, of Pittsburgh on charges of kidnapping for ransom, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, recklessly endangering another person, false imprisonment and driving with a suspended license. Wilkins Township police filed the charges March 8.
https://www.abc27.com/2022-united-states-senate-election-in-pennsylvania/is-fetterman-is-pulling-away-in-the-pennsylvania-senate-race/
Budi
(15,325 posts)Police revealed he DID NOTHING to be profiled on a false "assumption" as he was.
Vigilantism. What else is it?
If Fetterman knew of the guy's background then he also knew he was a Black man. Something he claimed he didn't know because of his mask.
So which is it?
