Richard Engel on MSNBC covering the Bucha massacre is chilling. He was relating the story of a

[JohnSJ]

woman who was standing in her home as Russian troops shot her husband dead. She described how they put the gun next to his head and how part of his skull came off. Then the Russian soldiers started yelling at her because she said "shoot me too, you have killed my husband, and left me with nothing". Despite her pleading for the Russian soldiers to kill her to, they instead said she and others in the town were nazis, and deserved what they were getting. Saying they were a threat to Russia, echoing the same dangerous propaganda that we are hearing from Russia and Putin.

He went to other homes where similar events transpired, where the Russian soldiers went from house to house, looking for young people, and if anyone talked back to them or they didn't like the look they were given they would shoot them on the spot.

To describe this as a "made up incident", is false, and one witness after another came forward to bear witness, and tell Richard Engel their stories

[7wo7rees]

1. Yeah, it was chilling!

I don't know what to do.

[JohnSJ]

38. I know

[Crunchy Frog]

2. The identities of these "soldiers" have been made public.

All of them will eventually be hunted down and dealt with.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. They were?

Where is that?

[brush]

7. I read that the records of the military unit was hacked...

and the names, age, addresses...all the information on all the soldiers in the unit is documented and saved for warm crime trials when they happen.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. This is the best general link I could find quickly.

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3652370/purported-massive-leak-of-russian-soldiers-data-could-sink-morale-digital-security.html

It is known which units were stationed in Bucha and who the individual soldiers were. I've seen pictures of some of them.

I don't think the Ukrainians will be very forgiving.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Thank you

There are still people being prosecuted for 'following orders' in WW II.

[SunSeeker]

22. We're gonna need a bigger Hague. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

36. I think the greater likelihood is a Mossad like unit

who will hunt them down and dispense justice in situ.

[tirebiter]

3. My wife has hidden my passport

She knows I’d be over there.

[BlackSkimmer]

11. Lol. nt

[BlueJac]

5. I have had it with these evil Russians.

They need to be fucked up bad!!!!

[Piasladic]

28. You know I wonder...

I think they may actually believe or want to believe the propaganda, and that's how they can do this now, but will there ever be a time when they realize they believed lies (willingly or willfully) and that they committed horrible crimes against innocents?

Maybe some of the older folks who actually were in a war (Vietnam?) can tell me. Did any of you go in gung ho and realize you were committing war crimes? Do you know any people that did?

[brush]

6. Putin's state-run media has brainwashed all these savages...

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with that false nazi propaganda...as if Ukraine with a Jewish president is a nazi nation.

Putin knows that "nazi" is a loaded and hated word in Russian because of the 20-some million Russians lost in WWll wheh Hitler's actual nazis invaded Russia.

Putin has unleashed this savagery on purpose to take Ukraine for it's many resources. He doesn't care if its people survive at all.

[Irish_Dem]

8. He doesn't want the Ukrainian people to survive.

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He wants them all dead or relocated elsewhere.

Then he can repopulate Ukraine with Russians.

[colorado_ufo]

14. This.

[Hav]

15. It's indeed the modus operandi for them

Murder Ukrainians, repopulate with Russians, support separatist movements and puppets and finally invade the country and justify everything with the considerable Russian population in that region.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. Which makes the russkies the Nazis

Literally a Hitler objective.

[Rebl2]

26. Also true

[Irish_Dem]

30. Yes, same crimes Hitler committed.

[Rebl2]

25. True

[txwhitedove]

31. With 4 million Ukrainian immigrants now, leaves 40 million to kill or relocate! How?

[Irish_Dem]

32. Answer to your question is filed under History, Hitler.

And add tactical nukes as an option.

[txwhitedove]

34. Unfortunately, that's what we all think, avoid, dread.

[2naSalit]

37. Genocide/ethnic cleansing is what it is.

The butcher has proposed it all along and nobody thought he was serious. Yet, that is how he rolls, he is a one trick pony and this is it.

[dchill]

12. The savages wouldn't believe the propaganda...

...if they didn't really want to.

[Hav]

17. True

Propaganda plays a role but a decent person recognizes atrocities despite propaganda simply by having empathy for a fellow human being.

[SunSeeker]

23. Exactly. It takes considerable depravity to call a babushka in a village a Nazi. nt

[CaptainTruth]

24. The power of messaging. Propaganda. Words that shape beliefs.

Every inhumane act in modern history began with words. It began with messaging (propaganda) that demonized a particular group & brainwashed the target audience into believing it was ok to commit atrocities against that group, because the group was getting what it deserved.

From the OP:
"they instead said she and others in the town were nazis, and deserved what they were getting"

Look at the effect messaging has had on these soldiers. Look at effect its had on the Trump cult.

If we are to win the political war (for elected offices) in our country we MUST win the messaging war.

[brush]

39. Huh? You're all over the place with this OP.

[Traildogbob]

44. Yea

Got off point. Bottom line was the protest in Germany with 300+ Car parade of Russians in full support of the terror attack on Ukraine, and they have full access to all media. Many Russians “In the know” are high on power over the world. Not buying all Russians are misled.

[brush]

50. I don't buy that either. The tech savvy ones with access to the...

the internet know what's going on. They don't rely on Russian state media as their only source for news. And I dare say those in Russia who know better than Putin's propaganda know better than to admit it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. Didnt see it but we need to

remember that when we read or see these stories that the

LEADER of the GOP therefore the GOP supports

S U P P O R T S this murdering of innocents. FAUX NEWS supports it.

[Native]

13. Bucha is just one of many of towns with such atrocities. Just heard on CNN

about another town that had it much worse than Bucha (as if that's even possible). Didn't catch the name of the town or the Ukrainian individual they were interviewing. I'm sure we will all be shocked anew when those atrocities become more known.

I'm ashamed to say that while watching the UN security council meeting as the Russian ambassador was spewing his lies, I couldn't help but hope that somebody would just stand up in the middle of the council meeting and blow his brains out.

[KS Toronado]

16. Bucha is the tip of the iceberg, unfortunately.

[brush]

18. What are they hiding in Mariupul?

They won't let even Red Cross missions in after flattening the city for weeks.

I dread what will be found there.

[Native]

20. Me too.

[Crunchy Frog]

40. They've kidnapped hundreds of thousands of people from that area

Including over 100,000 children, and deported them to Russia.

And this was openly stated by the Russian ambassador at the UN today.

God only knows what's going to happen to them.

[Native]

47. It's 2,000+ children.

[Crunchy Frog]

48. I heard him say it was 100,000+.

[Native]

49. Who knows WTF he was saying. Ukraine has given numbers between 2,000 and 2,500.

[Mr. Evil]

27. Find them.

Confirm their identities.
Sentence them to the Mussolini treatment.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Let all the Putin fluffers see that!

[Martin Eden]

29. This goes beyond stochastic terrorism.

Trump's hateful rhetoric is stochastic terrorism when a nutjob obsessed with the propaganda decides to kill people with his 2A joystick. Who, where, and when are unknowns after the incendiary lies are spewed, but the acts of terrorism were incited by that rhetoric nevertheless.

There is no such separation between Putin's lies about Ukrainian Nazis and the troops he sent who commit atrocities.

[SergeStorms]

33. This is what Vladimir Putin will be remembered for.

Putin wanted to be remembered as the greatest president Russia ever had, so he was going to put the old USSR back together again.

War atrocities. THIS is what Vladimir Putin will forever be remembered for. He's one of the greats alright, one of the greatest evil dictators of all time. He'll be remembered along with other greats such as; Pol Pot, Tojo, Hitler, Stalin, Gadhafi, Idi Amin etc. etc.

Yes, that's quite a list you've managed to add your name to, Vlad. Vlad the Impaler was already taken, so we'll refer to you as "Vlad the Butcher" from now on.

Your place in history has been carved into the backs of Ukraine women, children, and men. Congratulations, you evil fucking tyrant.

[onecaliberal]

41. And the civilized world will be remembered for failing to stop it.

[SergeStorms]

51. We can't allow that to happen.

I worry about the U.S. and Europe though. If we tire of it this war, because of high energy prices, Ukraine is screwed.

I hope we can all withstand the temptation to trade Ukraine lives for cheaper oil. We have to make sure that doesn't happen by keeping this current in everyone's minds.

[onecaliberal]

52. This country is a shit hole, not hopeful.

[Farmer-Rick]

46. So True, tell it like it is. Putin is acting like Hitler

And then claiming he's protecting Russians somehow from Hitler's Nazis. You have to be blind to logic, facts and common reason to twist your mind up to support Putin and his Hitler like atrocities.

[Warpy]

42. I read some of the stories in the WaPo last night

One village mayor said they stormed into her office and demanded to know where the black uniformed nazis were. Apparenlty, she looked so dumfounded that even Russian meatheads realized she had no clue what they were talking about, but it didn't stop them from killing her husband for having a gun, unloaded and never fired.

A lot of the stories are just like this, Russian army guys chasing propaganda ghosts and finding none, turning on innocent people, the old "shoot anything that moves."

Part of the reason is because it's this kind of war, they generally never see the small, light infantry companies with western weapons that have cut their nice, neat military formations to ribbons. They never see them, so they shoot at anything they can see: old people, kids, apartments, hospitals. And that is war crime.

[The Jungle 1]

43. The world did not believe hitler could be reincarnated.

The filthy puke named trump tells the same lies.
We must make lying pukes pay for their lies. Ignoring them is not an option.

Bumper sticker
putin lies trump lies

[AntiFascist]

45. How will Moscow be able to survive after this...

unless and until they take out Putin and his government?

Russia's worldwide reputation is being completely destroyed and it's capitol will follow, just as Berlin fell at the end of WW2.

[Hekate]

53. Andrea Mitchell is over there. She was on briefly with (I believe) Katy Tur, & looked haggard...

She may have done a walkabout with Richard Engel, but in any case got a good look at the atrocities. She was clearly shaken, and said — It looks like photos from World War II.

She’s only a year older than I am, so I’m sure our memories of post-war America are quite similar. Judging from some of the conversations I’ve had here over time, I get the impression that my generation was swamped with imagery from that war, from the Auschwitz death camp to Hiroshima survivors, that faded almost completely away by the time our children were through school.

So I know — she knows what she is looking at.