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samsingh

(17,812 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:01 PM Apr 2022

The political fight is no longer about Democratic versus Republican

the right is now between:

those who support Democracy versus those who would turn America into a Totalitarian State/Dictatorship.

In this contest, the Democratic Party is pro-Democracy and the Republicans are pro-dictatorship (destroy America). Republicans seem to work for foreign enemies and are supported by fox (traitor) news and the traitor murdochs, and other totalitarians like the koch's. Segments of right-wind religious fanatics also want to destroy America and Democracy.

Anyone voting republican needs to understand they are voting to destroy democracy and to support mass killers like putin. Anyone not voting for the Democratic Party should be honest and admit they hate America. This is no longer about taxes, free markets or capitalism. This is about Democracy versus totalitarianism.

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The political fight is no longer about Democratic versus Republican (Original Post) samsingh Apr 2022 OP
I've suggested before, we should a brand name to our party: "the democracy party" unblock Apr 2022 #1
Agreed. That's a compelling name and succinctly conveys the truth. benfranklin1776 Apr 2022 #9
Democrat Party The Wizard Apr 2022 #24
Actually it goes back further to another slimeball B Carroll Reece... benfranklin1776 Apr 2022 #26
How about the VOD? The Voice (or Vision or Vote) of Democracy party. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #17
it's between sane, decent people and bat shit crazy cultists NewHendoLib Apr 2022 #2
Many of our "opponents" characterize the Democrats as Ron Green Apr 2022 #3
Agreed Caliman73 Apr 2022 #15
GOP voters are fine with a dictatorship if it gives them white christian minority rule. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #4
Among people born, some are ... sanatanadharma Apr 2022 #5
+1. yonder Apr 2022 #16
Bingo. GB_RN Apr 2022 #18
All that the Republicans want it freedom! Chainfire Apr 2022 #6
That is the very best framing... kentuck Apr 2022 #7
We are now divided by our personality traits. Midnight Writer Apr 2022 #8
It's about the sane vs. insane LW1977 Apr 2022 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author LW1977 Apr 2022 #11
You can always shorten their name to Publican. multigraincracker Apr 2022 #12
Good vs evil. Patterson Apr 2022 #13
You are talking about voting. SmallFry Apr 2022 #14
There are more of us than there are of them - that's why voting matters FakeNoose Apr 2022 #23
Damn, Minority groups NEVER EVER fair well in dictatorship kind of governments overtime uponit7771 Apr 2022 #19
Still Republicans vs. Democrats FrankTC Apr 2022 #20
Should America Retain Constitutional Government DallasNE Apr 2022 #21
Wondering Marthe48 Apr 2022 #22
GQP would rather The Wizard Apr 2022 #25
I am sharpening my intellectual blades alittlelark Apr 2022 #27

unblock

(53,957 posts)
1. I've suggested before, we should a brand name to our party: "the democracy party"
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:09 PM
Apr 2022

The Republican Party also calls themselves the gop, so we can have another name too.

benfranklin1776

(6,510 posts)
9. Agreed. That's a compelling name and succinctly conveys the truth.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:00 PM
Apr 2022

And it would counter the Gingrichian smear that the corporate media sometimes uses “the Democrat Party”

benfranklin1776

(6,510 posts)
26. Actually it goes back further to another slimeball B Carroll Reece...
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 11:08 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Tue Apr 5, 2022, 11:46 PM - Edit history (2)

….Rethuglican Chairman who used it against our party under Truman in the 40s. (You had to love Harry’s classic suggested response then: he said they ought to be called the “publican” party as they are run by the type of corrupt people Jesus castigated in the gospels-the publicans.)
Other right wing demagogues and would be Trumps like McCarthy picked up on it mid century. (This is why it was no surprise that the orange nightmare itself, Agent Orange, who fellates Roy Cohn with unbounded adulation, routinely uses the term in his foul utterances.)
However, the cretin that did the most to weaponize it was Newt(droppings) as he in conjunction with his Rasputinesque pollster Frank Luntz DELIBERATELY encouraged his “contract hitpeople on America” to use it every time they talked to the media about the Democratic Party, or a Democratic officeholder in the early 90s. And, following his vile lead, other fascist mouthpieces like Limbaugh, the goosestepping wannabes on Faux News, and bottom feeding internet fascist troll farms adopted this practice and still slaveringly follow it. So, in my view, Gingrich is the most responsible for its present status as a popular derisionary slur by the right wing which should be called out as such any time a corporate media talking head parrots it, either deliberately or unthinkingly.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/08/07/the-ic-factor

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2006/12/dissing-the-democratic-party.html

Ron Green

(9,838 posts)
3. Many of our "opponents" characterize the Democrats as
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:23 PM
Apr 2022

the authoritarian ones, mandating vaccines, sex education and electric cars.

They see the push for the acceptance of all cultures and orientations as a totalitarian move from the left, endangering the very fabric of the culture they know.

So I think “democracy vs totalitarianism” is still too simple a way to describe what’s happening with the political economy of today.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
15. Agreed
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:50 PM
Apr 2022

It is a complex discussion to have. Americans are not very good at nuance and complication.

It is about what specific societal goals are set and why they should be pursued.

Irish_Dem

(55,824 posts)
4. GOP voters are fine with a dictatorship if it gives them white christian minority rule.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:51 PM
Apr 2022

The GOP gets total permanent power and access to all US assets.
They give their racist base permanent male white minority rule.

sanatanadharma

(4,029 posts)
5. Among people born, some are ...
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:52 PM
Apr 2022

Among people born, some are evolving and others devolving, karmic-ly.

The sides can be measured on a scale of morality, but that is actually the macro-level to the micro-problem of selfish souls.
This problem is rooted in individuals and manifested as desires; the desire to be 'right' trumps the desire to do right.
When one's identity can never be wrong, complex explanations and conspiracies are needed to coverup, explain and deny the self-known fact of being wrong.

My preferred labels are "progressive" and "regressive".

GB_RN

(3,002 posts)
18. Bingo.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 05:06 PM
Apr 2022

I've been calling them "Regressives" for ages, now. "Conservative" implies trying to maintain the status quo, keeping what you've got, etc. These assholes want to go back in time.

If you want to go forward, you put the car in D. You put it in R to go in reverse. For the last 40 years, every time we've been in R, we've definitely gone in reverse.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
6. All that the Republicans want it freedom!
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:55 PM
Apr 2022

Freedom to control every aspect of your life, from conception to grave. Well, that and keeping people of color in their rightful places, which generally means out of sight and in chains.

Republicans really seem to believe that the only way to Make America Great Again is to destroy any social progress made in the last 100 years. Turn the clock back on women's rights, return to Jim Crow, and to bring Jesus into every home (under gunpoint if necessary.)

They hate us for what we have done to them... and many of them are perfectly willing to kill you for it. It is the patriotic thing to do.

Midnight Writer

(22,778 posts)
8. We are now divided by our personality traits.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 03:56 PM
Apr 2022

GOP propaganda targets and exploits certain personality traits.

Response to samsingh (Original post)

multigraincracker

(33,690 posts)
12. You can always shorten their name to Publican.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:19 PM
Apr 2022

If they ask, use the Biblical definition.

publican
pŭb?lĭ-kən
noun
The keeper of a public house or tavern.
A collector of public taxes or tolls in the ancient Roman Empire.
A collector of taxes or tribute from the public.

 

SmallFry

(349 posts)
14. You are talking about voting.
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 04:27 PM
Apr 2022

It’s the economy.

Walk up to a Republican and say “you are voting to destroy democracy and to support mass killers like putin.“

After your done telling one that they then go fill up their vehicle and get groceries.

What you end up with in that situation is someone you just called a killer who still thinks it’s all Biden’s fault.

I agree with you that we are currently waging war against fascist tendencies.

But it’s the economy or we lose.

FakeNoose

(35,065 posts)
23. There are more of us than there are of them - that's why voting matters
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 06:05 PM
Apr 2022

If the Repukes take away our ability to vote, it's all over. The economy won't matter, because there will no longer be a USA.

We must always get out the vote. AND we must always elect as many Democrats as possible. Every election matters.

FrankTC

(216 posts)
20. Still Republicans vs. Democrats
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 05:45 PM
Apr 2022

The only difference between now vs. 15 years ago is that the respectable facade has been sloughed away from the rancid heart of the beast and the foul stench of the thing released. We’re just more able to see them as they’ve always been. Die sind alle so. They’re Republicans. When we start to think of them as something else, as something particularly obscene and scurrilous, we implicitly offer them an out, an avenue for rehabilitating the GOP. They’ll say oh it wasn’t us, the true Republicans, it was them over there, the Trumpanzees, the enemies of us. And then they regroup and build their next assault on democracy. In reality it truly is Democrats vs. Republicans, and the GOP must be razed and the ground it stood on (unfettered me-first capitalism) must be salted and salted again.

DallasNE

(7,523 posts)
21. Should America Retain Constitutional Government
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 05:49 PM
Apr 2022

That is the yes or no question on the ballot facing Americ in 2022 and 2024. And, quite frankly, the verdict is still out.

Marthe48

(18,488 posts)
22. Wondering
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 05:58 PM
Apr 2022

When the United States was created, the Declaration of Independence was written and the Constitution of the U.S. was conceived, there was ample evidence that the founding fathers had a free country in mind.

Many of the people intent on destroying the democracy we have birthed, nurtured, adapted, and protected were born in this country, in this democracy. They have ALWAYS been free to leave. There was a bumper sticker in the 60s, which was probably displayed by the same mentalities that are magats in this era: America-Love it or Leave it!

If there is a difference in mentality, it is splitting hairs. The people in the 1960's hated anti-war hippie freaks, supported the NRA, and were racists, but they 'loved' America and anyone who protested government policies could get the hell out.

Right now, the magats hate everyone who isn't a magat, and probably hate anyone who isn't a white, obese male, but realize that the objects of their hatred, who are probably more 'American' in their little fingers than the magats are in several inbred generations, aren't leaving the best country on the planet. In their tiny pea brains, the magats know they are living on a gravy train, but they'd rather derail the whole thing than allow the ------------, the ------------- or the ------- to get on for the ride.

The Wizard

(12,771 posts)
25. GQP would rather
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 07:37 PM
Apr 2022

be ruled by Putin than governed by any Democrat. It's a genuine psychosis fostered by Pox News brain poisoning.

alittlelark

(18,903 posts)
27. I am sharpening my intellectual blades
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 11:57 PM
Apr 2022

I have been for years.

Quietly.


The guy on the other side gets to use his 50 guns against the US Military.

I have faith in our military.

I know that there are traitors among them, but when the going gets tough.......... I have faith that our military leaders are gonna take care of business.




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