Sean Penn Just Got Back From Ukraine...

[2naSalit]

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And he's on Last Word with Lawrence O. Lawrence just decided to reprogram his show to extend the interview.

It's incredible, glad Lawrence is on it.

Video: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017727011
Second part: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16566591

[Deuxcents]

1. I'm watching..

He looks like he’s shaken by what he’s experienced..

[2naSalit]

3. He does.

I don't know if it's a natural thing for him but I detected a quiver in his voice. I saw the whole interview, he made some very strong and true statements about what this war means to the rest of the world.

It was very interesting and I plan to watch it again, there was a lot to absorb.

[Rhiannon12866]

22. Here's the second part of it:

Sean Penn: Ukraine Will Win This War 'Because They're Together’

After returning from Ukraine and seeing the country firsthand during Vladimir Putin’s invasion, Oscar-winning actor and philanthropist Sean Penn says he believes that, while the horrors of Putin’s war cannot be ignored, the incredible unity Ukrainians have found in this fight will help them win the war against Russia.

[2naSalit]

32. Thank you!

I was hoping you'd come through!

[Rhiannon12866]

34. Someone raced to post it without waiting for the second half

I generally watch MSNBC at night, so I post a lot of the shows - which has turned into most of them recently, with all the breaking news from Ukraine.

[2naSalit]

35. I noticed that...

I felt desperate to get, at least, the first part posted. Once you see that, you have to watch the rest. I was never a big fan of Penn, I didn't dislike him though, until he started his activism which is what really put him on my radar.

I am thankful to you for posting all those videos, it gives me the option of watching those that I can handle when I can handle them. I have to pay attention, I have to being the political animal that I am, but my PTSD makes it difficult in times like these. I'm managing so far, having the option of easily finding the videos when I'm of a mind to deal with it is a big thing on the positive side of things.

[Rhiannon12866]

36. When there are 2 part interviews, I try to post both parts on the same OP

But more than once, somebody doesn't look and posts the second half on a different thread. But because I tend to watch, I know what was on - and there are guests I tend to look for, like Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin - or Katie Porter!

And I've never been a fan of Sean Penn, either, but I knew that this was important since Lawrence O'Donnell said so! With his experience and connections, he does get some excellent guests. So when I saw that part #2 was missing, I wanted to make sure that you saw it. And I know what you mean, we're experiencing a war in real time, likely for the first time in history. So I try to be careful what I post even though what's shown on network television shouldn't be that graphic - but since this is a war and reporters are right on the scene, they have shown scenes we wouldn't have expected before. And so I did add a *Graphic* warning to one of the videos I posted over the weekend.

[2naSalit]

37. I usually wait...

For your videos for most things I didn't see. I have, in the past year, acquired a new laptop so my streaming capability is greatly improved. I was watching the whole line up from TRMS to 11th Hour but have parsed that out to one per day and various videos later to keep up on things. The rest of the time I have the radio on or I stream old teevee reruns or movies I never saw.

I like to have background noise since I live in town now, it dulls outside sounds, but usually I'm doing something and mostly listen with an occasional glance to see the screen. I'm making a braided rug, currently, it helps to have something to do with my hands when I'm in the minefield of triggerland.

You do a great job of posting worthy and important videos with descriptions and warnings. It's a great service that many of us here on DU really appreciate.

[BeyondGeography]

2. Very deep

Brave Ukraine is giving us, Americans, a chance to understand what’s at stake in our own country and define ourselves for the better.

I couldn’t agree more.

[2naSalit]

5. He said it!

And I hope it is seen in replay a whole lot, every point he made was one of great import to us, here.

Said he's enroute to DC now.

I have to watch it again.

[cilla4progress]

17. It was so profound -

his observations about the heroism and patriotism of the Ukrainians!

[dchill]

4. Proving again what a good human he is.

[meadowlander]

12. Unless you're his ex-wife or a sexual abuse victim

https://www.thethings.com/what-happened-between-robin-wright-and-sean-penn/

"Penn was married to Madonna from 1985 to 1989. It was allegedly a very tumultuous marriage that often brought out Penn's more fiery side. He served time in prison (just 33 days) after he assaulted a photographer, and was later served divorce papers, allegedly for domestic violence not long after. She withdrew them, only to serve them again in 1989"

"Their reconciliation lasted until 2007 when Wright filed for divorce. After four months, she retracted it and they once again reconciled. For a bit.

In 2009, there was trouble in paradise once again. Penn failed to thank Wright in his Oscars acceptance speech for Harvey Milk, even though Wright had accompanied him and was sitting in the audience.

Not long after, Penn filed for divorce...but, again, it was retracted and they reconciled. Only for a couple of months. After that, Wright filed again for the final time. It was finalized in 2010.

Wright and Penn are not really on speaking terms. In 2012, Penn told Esquire that his marriage was "a farce" and, according to him, he'd never been loved by either of his ex-wives."

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sean-penn-criticizes-metoo-725150/

"This is a movement that was largely shouldered by a kind of receptacle of the salacious,” Penn said. “The spirit of much of what has been the #MeToo movement is to divide men and women.”

[Coventina]

14. He's also a homophobe and a drunk. n/t

[KS Toronado]

20. OP was about Ukraine, not Penn's personal life.

[wanda4rafi]

15. Wow. How many tabloids do you read a week?

WGAS about what happens in some actors personal lives. If he was abusive evidently he served time for it. The man is putting his money and fame to very good use in many good causes.

[KS Toronado]

19. Welcome to DU !

[wanda4rafi]

16. Wow. How many tabloids do you read a week?

WGAS about what happens in some actors personal lives. If he was abusive evidently he served time for it. The man is putting his money and fame to very good use in many good causes.

[meadowlander]

25. If you beat women, you're not a "good guy" even after you serve time for it.

You don't get a mulligan on spousal abuse in your 60s as long as you visit a war zone.

I'm sure Roman Polanski donates to charities too. It doesn't mean we get to make a hero out of him because all that bad stuff is "in the past and I'm sure he probably paid for it sometime."

BTW he didn't serve time for spousal abuse. He served time for punching a photographer. One of the several times he did it. But go ahead and continue to lionise him... Let's all live in the moment no matter whose pain and suffering (and let's be honest it's always going to be womens' pain and suffering) we have to ignore to do it.

[Whiskeytide]

38. He's not a great guy. But even bad people sometimes do something ...

… good. What he’s doing here is a good thing. It doesn’t rehabilitate him into a good person. But it also doesn’t mean we can’t acknowledge that he did a good thing.

I’m not a fan of his personal life. I don’t think he’s a particularly great artist, though he has played some roles well. But I am appreciative of his efforts to give the Ukrainian people a bigger platform in this country. And - like it or not - he’s in a position to do that.

[KS Toronado]

42. " (and let's be honest it's always going to be womens' pain and suffering)"????????

ALWAYS is an absolute, abuse is a two way street and I have first hand knowledge of that fact. After listening
to my reasons for wanting a restraining order, the assistant District Attorney (a female) stated that there was
" A lot of evil women in our community"

[wanda4rafi]

43. Lionize is not what I did. And he spent time for "abusing" a photographer.

I said he is spending his money and time on helping a lot of people. And he's been doing that for years. I guarantee you the people he is helping and has helped are grateful to him.

And no, it's not always women who endure pain and suffering in a marriage, even the physical kind. It's pretty evident you have an agenda that has little space for the big picture.

[MrsCoffee]

46. You are the one that claimed he served time for his abuses.

"Evidently" you were wrong and now you are lashing out at a DUer with personal attacks.

He never served time for spousal abuse. He has paid no price for his homophobic and misogynistic ways. He served time for ONE of his transgressions. One that pretty much solidifies that he is an abusive piece of shit.

People can talk about both things at once. He may have done some nice things, BUT that does not excuse homophobia, misogyny and spousal abuse.

Talk about not having space for the big picture.

[wanda4rafi]

48. I did not say he served time for spousal abuse. i said he vtime.

It is entirely your opinion that he is homophobic. And where did I excuse any of his "alleged" behavior, because that is what it is, excepting his conviction.

What he is doing and has done go way beyond doing nice things. He has helped literally thousands, if not tens of thousands of people through his organization.

And are you going to admit you were wrong with your statement that it is always women that suffer? We are holding our collective breaths, but not for long.

[MrsCoffee]

49. Entirely MY opinion?

No. Just no.

You need to educate yourself.

And why would I admit I was wrong about something I never said. Obviously you are pretty lost around here.

Please do hold your breath. It's going to be about as useful as this conversation.

Oh, and welcome to DU I guess.

[wanda4rafi]

50. You are wrong because you said I said he served time for spousal abuse

which I clearly did not. So were you wrong or not?

I was mistaken that you made the statement about "it's always women suffering", but you sound so much like the poster that made that comment I was confused momentarily.

[MrsCoffee]

53. No.

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No, I didn't.

I really don't have the energy to do this today. But seriously.

What you replied to: "Unless you're his ex-wife or a sexual abuse victim"

You: "If he was abusive evidently he served time for it".

Me: "You are the one that claimed he served time for his abuses".

The only reason I even responded in this thread is because the poster you engaged with made some very good points and didn't deserve to be attacked for bringing them up.

Again, really not in the mood for this.

Good day.

[wanda4rafi]

54. The poster I engaged with was mostly hyperbolic. And your quotes show that I

was correct about my abuse statement. Thanks. Glad you are not in the mood.
Adios.

[KS Toronado]

18. OP was about Ukraine, not Penn's personal life.

[meadowlander]

24. Post I was replying to was about what a great guy he is.

I'm not the one that opened that door.

He's a rageaholic douchebag. Just because he's on our side doesn't mean he's not a rageaholic douchebag. It's Michael Avenatti all over again for some people.

[Kaleva]

30. Many of us suspected Michael Avenatti was a con artist from the start.

Is it your opinion that Sean Penn's trip to Ukraine is just a con job? That he really doesn't give a shit about what is going on over there?

[meadowlander]

63. No. It's my opinion that the fact that someone is "on our side" on one issue doesn't make them

automatically a "good guy".

You can do good and bad things in your life. But you don't get a pass on the bad shit you do just because you do good things later.

[Kaleva]

64. Ok. But you'd agree his efforts regarding UKR are worthy of praise?

[KS Toronado]

41. Where in the OP is the "great guy he is" you speak of?

"""Sean Penn Just Got Back From Ukraine...
Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2022, 06:59 AM - Edit history (2)
And he's on Last Word with Lawrence O. Lawrence just decided to reprogram his show to extend the interview.
It's incredible, glad Lawrence is on it.""" ......Hid in the edit history?

[MrsCoffee]

47. Poster didn't respond to the OP.

Might want to look again.

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16566342

[KS Toronado]

51. I was confused momentarily

[Duppers]

13. Indeed!

[mobeau69]

6. He is an incredible human being. Great segment!

[Hoyt]

7. Admire his activism.

[Triloon]

8. Wonderful interview

He really nailed it for me. I hope many people see it.

[Skittles]

9. thanking Mr. Penn

[PA Democrat]

10. Loved his description of how the war had unified the Ukrainians

despite their political divides before the war. Then talked of the deep divisions here and how our efforts to help Ukraine could take us closer to the America we have always aspired to be.

[2naSalit]

11. It was a connect the dots...

For those who haven't yet announcement.

Powerful interview.

[The Grand Illuminist]

21. Just lost all respect for Penn

He was on Sean Hannity. His appearance caters to the high enemy. A big no no.

[calimary]

23. Well, he's on with Lawrence O'Donnell tonight, and I'm watching it on replay.

I hope maybe he spoke some truths when on with that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-VANITY. Hopefully he shook up a few of the closed, bent minds that tune in to that shame network over there.

[Abolishinist]

26. I don't watch Insanity. Did Penn say anything different than

what he said on Lawrence O'Donnells' show? Because IMO if he sticks to his message I could give a flying F who he talks to... i.e. he's attempting to get his message out and let the chips fall where they may.

[The Grand Illuminist]

27. Here is the video

[KS Toronado]

44. Thanks for posting this video

Watched the whole thing, Penn started out telling Hannity "I don't trust you", then later told him that he was
"An Enemy of The State". Hannity had to interject praises for Reagan, and donnie's perfect phone call to
President Zelensky and other great things donnie did for UKR trying to steer the conversation in the direction
Hannity wanted it to go. Penn just ignored what he was saying and stayed focused on the subject of UKR.

[wanda4rafi]

45. Penn is nobody's fool and Hannity looked desperate to try to make a point.

If there are any Fox viewers who can think for themselves and I suspect there are some it is always good to expose them to the truth.

[KS Toronado]

52. I taped F@@ker Carlson last night to see what the enemy was saying

Not one word about Ukraine, he first segment (FQX TRUTH) was about how nobody in the Democratic party
likes Joe Biden, go figure why 8 million people voted for him over IQ4.5, this brainwashing of
America needs to stop.

[Caliman73]

59. Carlson is an idiot and a liar. The liar part is confirmed legally.

People may have policy differences with President Joe Biden, but one thing that is extremely well known is that EVERYONE (at least everyone who is decent) ABSOLUTELY LOVES and RESPECTS Biden as a human being.

Lindsay Graham cried about how good a person Biden is. He is best friends with President Obama, even though they were rivals!!

President Biden was not my first choice in the election and I have had differences with some of his stances (still do) but you cannot, unless you are depraved scum like Carlson, deny that Joe Biden is a fundamentally decent and loving human being. To his core, he cares deeply about people.

[Abolishinist]

65. Thank you so much for posting the link.

It's been a busy week for me and I haven't had a chance to be here until now but I found the video very interesting. I got a kick out of Sean not only saying he didn't trust the host, but I sensed nothing but contempt for him in his eyes throughout the interview. And what a contrast between the overly made-up, overly-quaffed and expensive suited host with 3 lapel pins and Sean's down to earth look.

Sean is doing what those who are dedicated to a cause do... talk to anyone who will listen. Good for him.

[ChazII]

39. In this case Sean appearing on Hannity

does not bother me. He is trying to help the people of Ukraine.

[Raine]

29. When you have an issue that's important to you it's best to forget ego and take that issue

before the public whenever and wherever you can. 🤔

[BeyondGeography]

31. That is a pathetically misguided POV

If we can’t at least semi-unify against Putin we are fucked as a country. That’s why Penn was there.

Penn told Hannity he didn’t trust him and he avoided going down rabbit holes. He stood his ground. The focus was on Ukraine for a solid half hour. He humanized opposition to Putin and increasing material support for Ukraine, which is a much bigger cause than Team Red vs. Team Blue.

If you’re interested in preserving democracy in this country, you should be able to understand why Penn was smart to do that show.

Even from a partisan standpoint, your take on this makes no sense at all. The more unity there is in the country against Putin, the harder it will be for the worst elements of the right to ultimately succeed.

[2naSalit]

33. I think his showing up on SH show...

Means he has no ego on this, he's on a mission and anyone who is an outlet for getting the message out in his words is a plus. I can't stand to watch SH but I did suffer the first 90 seconds and the level of agreement between the two is where they open the conversation, I suspect Sean Penn was NOT going to let SH turn it into anything other then what he meant it to be.

[BannonsLiver]

56. +1

People are nuts these days.

[Raine]

62. TOTALLY Agree. nt

[uponit7771]

40. I agree. Stop treating MAGA Media as respectful news outlets, until that happens, Pen is doing the r

[BannonsLiver]

57. I'm sure he'll be devastated.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

28. Sean Penn was great on The Last Word

[BannonsLiver]

55. To the Penn haters:

Nobody cares about your lame, sanctimonious whataboutisms

[BlackSkimmer]

58. Has he "smelted" his Oscar yet?

Or was that just mouthing off?

[2naSalit]

60. He's been busy on really important things...

Hasn't had time to sate the desires of those who are focused on trivial victories.

[Torchlight]

61. He's done more than 100 of me put together.

Dunno much about the guy other than a few roles, but his concern for the Russian's military invasion of a sovereign state is gratifying to watch.