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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMurderers covering their tracks: Russian mobile crematoriums start working in Mariupol
As noted, a week ago, cautious estimates indicated the deaths of 5,000 civilians in Mariupol. But given the size of the city, catastrophic destruction, the duration of the blockade, and fierce resistance, tens of thousands Mariupol civilians could fall victim to the occupiers.
"That is why Russia is in no hurry to give the green light to the Turkish mission and other initiatives to save and fully evacuate Mariupol. In addition, they [Russians] are trying to identify all potential witnesses of the occupiers' atrocities through filtration camps and eliminate them, the City Council stressed.
Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boychenko stressed that the world had not seen the scale of the tragedy in Mariupol since the existence of Nazi concentration camps.
"The Russcists have turned our entire city into a death camp. Unfortunately, the eerie analogy receives increasing confirmation. This is no longer Chechnya or Aleppo. This is the new Auschwitz and Majdanek. The world must help punish Putin's villains," the mayor underscored.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3450135-murderers-covering-their-tracks-russian-mobile-crematoriums-start-working-in-mariupol.html
FarPoint
(12,336 posts)will catch them at their cover-up.....
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)ck4829
(35,045 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)🦅 🦅. 🦅
mopinko
(70,078 posts)this has been reported from day 1. their purpose could only be evil. either to disappear their own war dead or cover up their war crimes.
i think they're worth the powder to blow them up.
eta- i wonder where they will get the fuel to run these. anyone know what they run on?
Native
(5,940 posts)mopinko
(70,078 posts)probably more than a regular crematorium, since it's not as insulated.
i'm betting they dont fire them.
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)Russia is a oil company with nuclear weapons.
mopinko
(70,078 posts)i know it's ironic, but that oil is still in russia.
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)There is no question that Russian logistics suck. If they can't move fuel for combat vehicles, they probably can't move fuel for mobile crematoria. I keep thinking that Putin will fire (or worse) his logisticians and put a reasonably competent NCO in charge.
Native
(5,940 posts)LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)greenman3610
(3,947 posts)I suspect there is truth here, wondering if it is being reported elsewhere?
Native
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Native
(5,940 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)The real purpose for those mobile crematoriums which (if these reports are accurate) indicate premeditation to commit widespread slaughter.
Crime against humanity.
mopinko
(70,078 posts)esp the way z has fired right at russian mothers. there was also a report that they were shooting their wounded. dont think pootie wants word of that getting out.
Native
(5,940 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Not even Putin can erase the memories of mothers and wives and/or other family members when sons and husbands fail to return home. Plus reports have it that the Russian forces have been leaving their dead on the field and, as you stated, rumors are ripe about the wounded being finished off by their compatriots.
If the number of Russian losses in this war are correct, there will be a tipping point when the Russian population takes notice. That happened during the Chechen war, the Mothers of Russia campaign. Reportedly, Putin wants to avoid a repeat of that resistance. Disappearing bodies won't cut it.
It's hideous, all of it.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)iluvtennis
(19,849 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(3,803 posts)Fuck Russia.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)There are Nazis in Ukraine.
KS Toronado
(17,199 posts)Wonder how many people they talked into going to Russia (filtration camps) to escape the fighting in UKR?
And how many have they killed because they refused to be reeducated? Just like the Nazis.....
"WORK WILL SET YOU FREE"
GB_RN
(2,347 posts)Not a particularly nice phrase after the Nazis got done with it. Makes me wonder if the Chinese Communist Party uses something similar on the Uighurs and the "re-education camps" that they get shoved into.
Fascists/dictators. Regardless of where they are in the world, China, Russia, or here, they're all the same: If you don't think like we do, you're the enemy and must be crushed/eliminated.
BidenRocks
(826 posts)The list of 63 is long. They support this.
GB_RN
(2,347 posts)The Russcists. A combination of Russian and fascist. Fitting. I like it.
The 63 GOPQ-balls who voted against the NATO resolution should be labeled as such.
Native
(5,940 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)I don't doubt some are cremated, probably very crudely. Anything mobile would be too small and inefficient. I would imagine the traumatized Ukrainians coming out of villages around Mariupol didn't know what they were looking at.
The report that many civilians are being buried in trenches in the green spaces of their apartment buildings is more credible.
Dead bodies must be disposed of, especially in mass casualty conditions like war, famine, and disease. It's a sanitation necessity.
Native
(5,940 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)Such units would only handle one body at a time and given the length it takes to cremate someone, would not be useful for mass civiliab deaths. For those, they are piled with something flammable and doused with gasoline, something that will reduce them to bone but will likely leave retrievable DNA.
What I would dispute is the idea Russians will try to cover anything up. This is who they are and this is what they do when they're given weapons and lied into a war and the only people they see to shoot at are civilians.
ETA: https://blog.martinoakscemeteryandcrematory.com/long-take-cremate-body/
ck4829
(35,045 posts)Into consideration.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)if you are dug into a position nearby. It was their own sanitation they were concerned about. The only reason for the bodies in the street is that they were pulling out, not their problem any more.
Anyone who has ever smelled death like that up close will never forget it.