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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 02:13 PM Apr 2022

The end of Fox News.


From Politico Playbook PM:


WAIT, THEY KILLED THE FOX?!? — NBC’s @frankthorp just tweeted that officials put down the poor fox that was spotted and captured on Capitol Hill on Tuesday: “SAD NEWS on the Capitol Hill fox beat, per DC Health: ‘The fox responsible for 9 confirmed bites on Capitol Hill yesterday was captured and humanely euthanized so that rabies testing may be done. The fox was an adult female and her kits were found and captured this morning.’”

We’re animal lovers, so this officially ruined our day. Maybe our week.

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The end of Fox News. (Original Post) Tomconroy Apr 2022 OP
Grrr!!! Have the bite victims just get the shots instead of killing the momma fox!! Coventina Apr 2022 #1
About $1000 to $3000 for the shots. Nt USALiberal Apr 2022 #7
SO? Coventina Apr 2022 #14
Who pays for it? Nt USALiberal Apr 2022 #15
That's what you have health insurance for. Coventina Apr 2022 #16
After your deductible! USALiberal Apr 2022 #18
So? Coventina Apr 2022 #19
Please research how animals are tested for rabies. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #21
I know how animals are tested for rabies. n/t Coventina Apr 2022 #22
Okay, so then you're angry about what? MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #28
I'm angry about the default of killing the animal out of hand. Coventina Apr 2022 #40
I'm also, always on the side of animals. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #41
Without knowing wayyyy more details than I've read so far Coventina Apr 2022 #42
I share your frustration and outrage in many cases. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #43
Thanks for being willing to talk this out with me. Coventina Apr 2022 #45
This fox was already showing signs of rabies. Mariana Apr 2022 #71
And allow the fox to spread more fatal rabies to more animals??? LeftInTX Apr 2022 #47
Please read the sub thread above. That original response was OBE. Coventina Apr 2022 #63
Isn't that standard procedure with a wild animal that likely has rabies? pnwmom Apr 2022 #56
Please read the sub thread above. That original response was OBE. Coventina Apr 2022 #64
This is why I hate most people. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #2
Yeah. I posted that comment, and I was right. At least they found her kits. tblue37 Apr 2022 #3
No! She was rabid and suffering. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #29
We don't know that until the test results come back. Her kids are reason enough for her tblue37 Apr 2022 #32
The results are in. She tested positive. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #35
Yes, I see that now. So sad. tblue37 Apr 2022 #36
Poor little thing. Horrible disease. I am thankful MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #39
She was showing signs of rabies before they even caught her. Mariana Apr 2022 #37
Yes, I read an article about it. tblue37 Apr 2022 #38
I hate my species. We are so selfish and cruel. Coventina Apr 2022 #4
Nature seems to be heading in that direction. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #5
Wild foxes aren't "caged and observed" when they bite someone. Mariana Apr 2022 #23
The fox had to be euthanized to test for rabies. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #24
Did the test come back already? tblue37 Apr 2022 #34
No! She was rabid and suffering. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #30
They were bitten by a "wild" animal potentially with rabies and should have been given Meowmee Apr 2022 #67
She had rabies LeftInTX Apr 2022 #48
So, you would have a wild animal caged Thtwudbeme Apr 2022 #58
I would've happily traded the fox's life for say..... Rupert Murdoch's or Tucker Swanson's. nt Carlitos Brigante Apr 2022 #6
The fox had rabies. She was suffering and had zero chance of survival. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #26
No! frogmarch Apr 2022 #8
It was rabid and would have killed even more animals. LeftInTX Apr 2022 #49
I saw that earlier and frogmarch Apr 2022 #70
My old dog Samson always had an appropriate comment for situations like this. iscooterliberally Apr 2022 #9
DAMN!! 😥 👎 nt Raine Apr 2022 #10
Damn Solly Mack Apr 2022 #11
I'm an animal lover too, but NINE confirmed unprovoked bites? That is a very aggressive wild animal Hekate Apr 2022 #12
Yeah, that isn't normal behavior at all, even for a mother with babies. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #13
Kits will also be put down because they probably have it. LeftInTX Apr 2022 #50
I understand that, but didn't want to be the first to say it... Hekate Apr 2022 #54
The fox has tested positive for rabies. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #17
Then you should know it takes brain tissue samples MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #20
Does anyone know what will happen to the kits? totodeinhere Apr 2022 #25
The only way to test them for rabies is to kill them. Mariana Apr 2022 #27
I read they're being monitored, but I suspect you're right. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #31
I hope they don't kill them. If they are monitored for a set period of time and totodeinhere Apr 2022 #33
It's probably too risky! LeftInTX Apr 2022 #51
😿 I knew they would do that.. Meowmee Apr 2022 #44
Quarantined and observed for what? Mariana Apr 2022 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #46
The fox tested positive for rabies! LeftInTX Apr 2022 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #53
It's 100% fatal unless caught very fast, like a few days after you're bitten you need to get shots Hekate Apr 2022 #55
+1 pnwmom Apr 2022 #57
🌻 Hekate Apr 2022 #59
What do they think we do? Put every wild animal we find with rabies in an animal hospital pnwmom Apr 2022 #61
Hard to know. However before Pasteur, all 9 of the bitten humans would have died a horrible death... Hekate Apr 2022 #65
After further thought... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #62
Thank you so much. That is very kind. I do have a skunk remedy, though... Hekate Apr 2022 #66
No, thank you! LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #68
I asked my vet once: "Don't they ever learn?" and he said, "No, they don't"... Hekate Apr 2022 #72
Rabid Fox Viewers Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #60

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
16. That's what you have health insurance for.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 06:47 PM
Apr 2022

I'd prefer to have universal health insurance, but we don't, unfortunately.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
19. So?
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:27 PM
Apr 2022

Anyway, it turns out the fox did have rabies, which is kind of a relief, in that she didn't die for nothing.

However, now those that were bitten have to have the shots anyway.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
21. Please research how animals are tested for rabies.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:48 PM
Apr 2022

Brain tissue is required. The animals are always euthanized. I'm on my phone and haven't figured out how to link, or I would help. It is distressing, but science has not improved in the method. It just is this way, for the foreseeable future.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
28. Okay, so then you're angry about what?
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:58 PM
Apr 2022

The fox exhibited classic rabid symptoms. She indeed was positive. I guess I don't understand your posts, sorry. Her kits are safe and being monitored.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
40. I'm angry about the default of killing the animal out of hand.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:22 PM
Apr 2022

If everyone bitten get rabies shots (and any time a person is bitten by a wild animal, they should) they don't have to worry about it.

If we truly were "pro-life" the animal could have been monitored more closely to look for signs of illness and then take action to put her down (as was needed, as it turns out).

But instead, the default is always to kill first, investigate later. Even worse, kill any animal in the area that fits the description is what usually happens.

I am always going to be on the side of an animal against humans. Always.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
41. I'm also, always on the side of animals.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:36 PM
Apr 2022

How many day more, would you deem appropriate for this poor fox to suffer? Suffering how long, without any medical aid, just You Watching her suffer until you were satisfied she's rabid? Would you just let her suffer until You were satisfied your conscience was clear? That Is inhumane. This is not a bear strayed into a tree and murdered by law enforcement. This was a fox so sick with rabies, she was out of her mind. You would let her suffer, until she frothed at the mouth, screamed in pain and collapsed. NO. This isn't about you, it's about a poor suffering creature who deserved mercy!

We will just have to disagree on this. I will Never agree to allow an animal to suffer in such agony, for my own misguided righteousness.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
42. Without knowing wayyyy more details than I've read so far
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:43 PM
Apr 2022

I can't say exactly at what point I would euthanize the poor fox.

At the time of my original post (which was yesterday) there were very few details given.

I will admit that I may have made some erroneous assumptions on how much due diligence had already been done on the fox's situation. I was basing my reaction on the way the story usually plays out: kill first, ask questions later.

If that is not true in this case, and there was ample evidence the fox was in distress, (that had not been reported in the stories I'd seen) then I "withdraw" my outrage.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
43. I share your frustration and outrage in many cases.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:01 AM
Apr 2022

Especially locally here in southern Oregon with bear and cougar. My heart has been broken so many times. Plus, the kitties abandoned after the fire who landed on my doorstep. I love them all.

I have gone to battle with idiot neighbors who turned their dogs loose on the poor kitties here. I didn't know I could move that fast! Or, be so dominant, but they're my babies now, and apparently, I can intimidate the Great Dane and her owners down the block. 🥰

We all love and want to protect the animals from awful human impact and cruelty. I'm also a member of Audubon society. I'm hoping to take part in the bird count next year. Take care. 🤗

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
45. Thanks for being willing to talk this out with me.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:30 AM
Apr 2022

So wonderful you were able to save those kitties!

You take care as well.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
71. This fox was already showing signs of rabies.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 11:04 AM
Apr 2022

Healthy mother foxes don't normally run out and bite people who are just walking near their nests. Foxes very often nest near homes and other buildings, yet fox bites are rare, because they just aren't normally aggressive like this one was. Aggressive foxes that bite people are usually rabid.

This fox was suffering horribly with zero chance of survival. The kindest thing to do for her was to euthanize her as quickly as possible.

LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
47. And allow the fox to spread more fatal rabies to more animals???
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:10 AM
Apr 2022

Rabies is fatal. The fox and her kits would spread it to raccoons, skunks, dogs, cats and people!

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
56. Isn't that standard procedure with a wild animal that likely has rabies?
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:22 AM
Apr 2022

To euthanize before doing the rabies test?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,423 posts)
2. This is why I hate most people.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 02:39 PM
Apr 2022

There was no need to kill the fox. She could have been caged and observed for rabies symptoms.

On another thread, someone wondered if it were a female with young. She was just being protective and got killed for it.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
32. We don't know that until the test results come back. Her kids are reason enough for her
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:29 PM
Apr 2022

to bite anyone who came near her nest.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
35. The results are in. She tested positive.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:35 PM
Apr 2022

No, fox do not act this way. She would not den in a high traffic area. Just like with raccoons, skunk, feral cats, no. They will den away from human contact and traffic.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
39. Poor little thing. Horrible disease. I am thankful
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 09:10 PM
Apr 2022

Every year so far, no rabies in our area. Our feral kitties are close to the point I think I can get them trapped and to the vet for altering and shots. The one female is pregnant now, but, I think most of her kittens must become hawk food, because she's plenty old enough to have had many litters, but I don't see kittens or new cats.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
37. She was showing signs of rabies before they even caught her.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:43 PM
Apr 2022

It is not normal for mother foxes to bite people who happen to be near their babies. If that were normal, there would be thousands of fox bites every spring, and that just doesn't happen. Foxes aren't aggressive and fox bites are rare. If a fox attacks someone, there a a high chance it is rabid - and this fox did it again and again.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
4. I hate my species. We are so selfish and cruel.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 02:43 PM
Apr 2022

I wish we would go extinct and leave the rest of the biosphere alone.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,423 posts)
5. Nature seems to be heading in that direction.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 02:46 PM
Apr 2022

The world would be so much better if there were about 1/6th the current population.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
23. Wild foxes aren't "caged and observed" when they bite someone.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:52 PM
Apr 2022

They are euthanized and tested as soon as possible. This is also true of bats, skunks, and raccoons.

She was just being protective and got killed for it.

It is not normal at all for a mother fox with young to bite people. It's normal for a rabid fox to bite people.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
24. The fox had to be euthanized to test for rabies.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:52 PM
Apr 2022

Please research. It's sad, it's always sad. However, the fox tested positive. The fox already exhibited rabies by unprovoked 9 attacks of biting.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
30. No! She was rabid and suffering.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:01 PM
Apr 2022

How.long do you want the humans who were bitten, for rabies to take hold in them. There is No cure.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
67. They were bitten by a "wild" animal potentially with rabies and should have been given
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 06:13 AM
Apr 2022

Rpep automatically it is only because of the cost that ins forces you to prove rabies first. So crappy profit driven health care is the reason.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
58. So, you would have a wild animal caged
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:38 AM
Apr 2022

and put her through that stress, while telling the people that were bitten to wait to find out if they had an almost 100% fatal virus?

That's cruel- to the Fox, and the people.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
70. I saw that earlier and
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 11:00 AM
Apr 2022

mentally kicked myself for what I'd said in my post. I feel so sad that the fox was rabid, and I was afraid her babies would have to be euthanized too.

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
12. I'm an animal lover too, but NINE confirmed unprovoked bites? That is a very aggressive wild animal
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 03:33 PM
Apr 2022

Unfortunately you can’t just blame the people who must work there, if the critter is jumping out of the bushes and biting them. That is known rabid behavior and very dangerous. This isn’t a petting zoo.

Rabies. Is. Fatal. To. Humans. Not. Just. Animals.

The kits were located and will be cared for kindly until they are grown and can be released into the wild.

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
54. I understand that, but didn't want to be the first to say it...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 03:14 AM
Apr 2022

There are people who just don’t understand.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,264 posts)
17. The fox has tested positive for rabies.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 06:52 PM
Apr 2022
https://democraticunderground.com/100216569054

I kinda figured it was rabies, now those bitten will have to be treated with the rabies vaccine, and they've very likely already started the process.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
20. Then you should know it takes brain tissue samples
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:42 PM
Apr 2022

To test for rabies. The fox was rabid, and going to die a horrible death. Better to euthanize, way more humane. Folks who were bitten will undergo rabies treatment. The kits were found, trapped and will be monitored.

I have a lot of raccoons here, and after the Almeda fire, we fed them, we have several we still care for. However, I wouldn't hesitate to call authorities if I thought for one minute, I saw signs of rabies. It would wipe out all the survivors of the fire, plus spread it to our abandoned cats that survived. Nope, would never risk all these animals to rabies, no way.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
25. Does anyone know what will happen to the kits?
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:53 PM
Apr 2022

I hope they are negative for rabies and if negative I hope they can be sent to an animal sanctuary.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
27. The only way to test them for rabies is to kill them.
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:57 PM
Apr 2022

They should probably be euthanized. They've almost certainly been in frequent contact with their mother's infected saliva.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
33. I hope they don't kill them. If they are monitored for a set period of time and
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:29 PM
Apr 2022

they remain symptom free then that should be enough I would think. However I admit I am not a veterinarian.

LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
51. It's probably too risky!
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:17 AM
Apr 2022

They will sometimes observe animals if they have been in contact with a possible rabid animal, but when it's the mom, it's pretty much a given that the kits have it.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
44. 😿 I knew they would do that..
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:08 AM
Apr 2022

She could have been quarantined and observed. In cats they have to be within 3-6 days of being symptomatic to be able to infect others. Whoever was bitten should get rpep / be vaccinated.

Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
52. The fox tested positive for rabies!
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:19 AM
Apr 2022

Fox and her litter are now history. Who knows how many other animals are infected on Capitol Hill?

Response to LeftInTX (Reply #52)

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
55. It's 100% fatal unless caught very fast, like a few days after you're bitten you need to get shots
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 03:48 AM
Apr 2022

The vixen was not behaving normally — biting 9 people for no reason was not normal protective behavior. It was fatal-confused-brain-disease behavior, highly contagious, and fatal.

That is all part of Mother Nature. She is not all that kind.

I think it was Louis Pasteur who developed the first rabies vaccine. IIRC a village boy was savaged by a rabid wolf about the time Pasteur had some vaccine ready for human trial. In the course of rescuing the boy the wolf was shot — but everyone absolutely knew that kid was fated to die as well, because that is what invariably took place. So Dr Pasteur was called on, and he vaccinated the boy, and the boy survived.

And that is why our dogs and cats get their rabies shots today — they meet wild animals, and as pets they live in our houses and sleep on our beds. In my county the biggest vector for rabies is skunks, according to my now-retired vet. It’s bad enough when my dog gets sprayed while trying to make friends — but if she were to get bitten as well and if she was unprotected, she would be a danger to the entire household.






Hekate

(90,562 posts)
59. 🌻
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 05:13 AM
Apr 2022

TY. So frustrating. We went thru this a couple of years ago when a DUer who’d been feeding raccoons on her deck got bitten. We wrangled all night with her before she conceded to going to the ER for shots.

This time around there’s what feels like a whole horde of folks who simply don’t get it and think the humans are just big meanies. I don’t get the sheer ignorance.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
61. What do they think we do? Put every wild animal we find with rabies in an animal hospital
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 05:20 AM
Apr 2022

till it dies?

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
65. Hard to know. However before Pasteur, all 9 of the bitten humans would have died a horrible death...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 06:00 AM
Apr 2022

The gifts of science have succeeded to such an extent that along with smallpox and polio, I think things like this are just so beyond the average person’s experience, and they’ve made up their minds about Nature and the animal kingdom. Nature Good. People Bad.

Villagers and peasants in Pasteur’s time weren’t stupid — they just didn’t know sciency things we now take so much for granted that, well, we don’t really know them either. But they knew enough to not eat poisonous mushrooms, to avoid vipers, and to identify a rabid animal.

LuckyCharms

(17,414 posts)
62. After further thought...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 05:53 AM
Apr 2022

under these circumstances, everyone bitten should have received rabies shots immediately, because the fox was, at that point, indeed symptomatic because of the unusual behavior.

I was thinking of deleting my response, because I think I went off on a rant that may have been un-associated with what actually happened.

I jumped the gun without knowing all of the facts, probably due to the fact that our relationship with wild animals seems to be a hot button with me.

Of course, I agree with everything you typed. In fact, one worry I always have is this. There are a lot of bats in my neighborhood, and I used to get a lot of them in my living space until I remodeled my home. They can be in your closet or something during the day, and then come out and start flying around your house when you're sleeping. They have tiny teeth, so you might not know you have been bitten. I'm of the mind that if you see a bat flying around your room(s), unless you saw it come in and you know it has not been in the house when you were sleeping, you should probably seek a series of rabies shots immediately.

Years ago, my two dogs were sprayed by a skunk at 5AM. There's nothing like that odor up close and personal after it gets on your clothes after you pick your sprayed dogs up and carry them to where you can clean them up.

By the way, to anyone reading, don't get them wet with water, or you're going to have a bad time. I now forget how you are supposed to handle it, but water is not good, I think it locks the odor in more, or something like that.

Anyway, I took them to the groomer later in the day and she got rid of most of the odor.

My biggest concern when this happened was that rabies could be spread by skunk spray. I assumed that it would HAVE to be transmitted that way. My vet managed to reassure me. Both my dogs were vaccinated, but I was still worried. I can't remember exactly what finally calmed me down, but it may have been the fact that they were vaccinated, and she may have said it is spread just through bites, but I was still wary.

Thinking about this some more, I think I will delete my post because it contains some poorly thought out opinions, but I appreciate and understand your response here.

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
66. Thank you so much. That is very kind. I do have a skunk remedy, though...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 06:10 AM
Apr 2022

I keep the ingredients in a bucket in the garage. Do not pre-mix.

1 quart bottle hydrogen peroxide
1/3 cup baking soda
1 squirt dish detergent

Put on old clothes. Mix all ingredients in the bucket and sponge all over the dumb dog. Leave mixture on for 15 minutes. Rinse thoroughly with plain water. The dog will smell about 90% better.

Best of luck, and again, thank you for the kind post.

LuckyCharms

(17,414 posts)
68. No, thank you!
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 06:40 AM
Apr 2022

I'm going to bookmark this OP in case I ever need this recipe, but I hope I never need it! Thanks so much for providing it!

I'll tell you what happened with the skunks...

My wife is usually the one who takes the dogs out. We don't let them go out alone. She got uparound 5AM, and I was just crawling out of bed trying to shake the cobwebs out.

All of a sudden I heard this blood curdling scream from my wife, and then she kept calling out the names of our dogs. I had no idea what was happening. I usually just sleep in my underwear, but for some reason on this day, I had on a shirt and some sweats, probably because it was cold (this happened in November). I knew from her scream that something really bad happened, so I immediately ran out the backdoor, barefooted. Both my dogs had this poor little skunk pinned on it's back, and both of them got sprayed.

I managed to get the dogs off the skunk, and stupidly picked up one under each arm to get them the heck out of there. Got that musk all over me. It didn't even smell like a skunk that close, it smelled much worse.

I knew they did not get bitten while I was hauling them off the skunk, and my wife confirmed they did not get bitten, just sprayed.

We threw both dogs into the tub while we were both gagging from the smell. By now, the whole house stunk.

Boy dog was hanging his head and would not look at me. He got immediately depressed. Girl dog was looking at me like an extremely pissed off human would.

We tried hosing them down in the tub, but that made the smell worse. Then, I thought...BEER! I think I've heard that beer works! There was no beer in the house, so I drove my dumb ass to Wegmans just before 5am. They refused to sell me beer because I think it had to be after 530 or 600 am or something until they could sell it legally...something like that...some alcohol law.

So I went home. I had the day off, my wife had to go to work. They made her go home immediately.

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
72. I asked my vet once: "Don't they ever learn?" and he said, "No, they don't"...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 05:56 PM
Apr 2022

Speaking of learning, you would have thought I’d twig to the fact earlier than I did that my Cockapoo should never have been let out into the backyard unleashed after dark. She looked like a drowned rat when I washed her, and shivered pathetically. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Almost 5 years ago we moved to an area so abundant with wildlife that our current doggy is never, ever allowed outside unaccompanied, and after dark is leashed even to make the short trip outside the door to the palm tree. So far so good. She had all her skunk experiences before we moved.

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