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From Politico Playbook PM:
WAIT, THEY KILLED THE FOX?!? NBCs @frankthorp just tweeted that officials put down the poor fox that was spotted and captured on Capitol Hill on Tuesday: SAD NEWS on the Capitol Hill fox beat, per DC Health: The fox responsible for 9 confirmed bites on Capitol Hill yesterday was captured and humanely euthanized so that rabies testing may be done. The fox was an adult female and her kits were found and captured this morning.
Were animal lovers, so this officially ruined our day. Maybe our week.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)How do you balance that with a life?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Coventina
(27,064 posts)I'd prefer to have universal health insurance, but we don't, unfortunately.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Anyway, it turns out the fox did have rabies, which is kind of a relief, in that she didn't die for nothing.
However, now those that were bitten have to have the shots anyway.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)Brain tissue is required. The animals are always euthanized. I'm on my phone and haven't figured out how to link, or I would help. It is distressing, but science has not improved in the method. It just is this way, for the foreseeable future.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)The fox exhibited classic rabid symptoms. She indeed was positive. I guess I don't understand your posts, sorry. Her kits are safe and being monitored.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)If everyone bitten get rabies shots (and any time a person is bitten by a wild animal, they should) they don't have to worry about it.
If we truly were "pro-life" the animal could have been monitored more closely to look for signs of illness and then take action to put her down (as was needed, as it turns out).
But instead, the default is always to kill first, investigate later. Even worse, kill any animal in the area that fits the description is what usually happens.
I am always going to be on the side of an animal against humans. Always.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)How many day more, would you deem appropriate for this poor fox to suffer? Suffering how long, without any medical aid, just You Watching her suffer until you were satisfied she's rabid? Would you just let her suffer until You were satisfied your conscience was clear? That Is inhumane. This is not a bear strayed into a tree and murdered by law enforcement. This was a fox so sick with rabies, she was out of her mind. You would let her suffer, until she frothed at the mouth, screamed in pain and collapsed. NO. This isn't about you, it's about a poor suffering creature who deserved mercy!
We will just have to disagree on this. I will Never agree to allow an animal to suffer in such agony, for my own misguided righteousness.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)I can't say exactly at what point I would euthanize the poor fox.
At the time of my original post (which was yesterday) there were very few details given.
I will admit that I may have made some erroneous assumptions on how much due diligence had already been done on the fox's situation. I was basing my reaction on the way the story usually plays out: kill first, ask questions later.
If that is not true in this case, and there was ample evidence the fox was in distress, (that had not been reported in the stories I'd seen) then I "withdraw" my outrage.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)Especially locally here in southern Oregon with bear and cougar. My heart has been broken so many times. Plus, the kitties abandoned after the fire who landed on my doorstep. I love them all.
I have gone to battle with idiot neighbors who turned their dogs loose on the poor kitties here. I didn't know I could move that fast! Or, be so dominant, but they're my babies now, and apparently, I can intimidate the Great Dane and her owners down the block. 🥰
We all love and want to protect the animals from awful human impact and cruelty. I'm also a member of Audubon society. I'm hoping to take part in the bird count next year. Take care. 🤗
Coventina
(27,064 posts)So wonderful you were able to save those kitties!
You take care as well.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)Healthy mother foxes don't normally run out and bite people who are just walking near their nests. Foxes very often nest near homes and other buildings, yet fox bites are rare, because they just aren't normally aggressive like this one was. Aggressive foxes that bite people are usually rabid.
This fox was suffering horribly with zero chance of survival. The kindest thing to do for her was to euthanize her as quickly as possible.
LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)Rabies is fatal. The fox and her kits would spread it to raccoons, skunks, dogs, cats and people!
Coventina
(27,064 posts)Thanks.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)To euthanize before doing the rabies test?
Coventina
(27,064 posts)Thanks!
FoxNewsSucks
(10,423 posts)There was no need to kill the fox. She could have been caged and observed for rabies symptoms.
On another thread, someone wondered if it were a female with young. She was just being protective and got killed for it.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)to bite anyone who came near her nest.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)No, fox do not act this way. She would not den in a high traffic area. Just like with raccoons, skunk, feral cats, no. They will den away from human contact and traffic.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)Every year so far, no rabies in our area. Our feral kitties are close to the point I think I can get them trapped and to the vet for altering and shots. The one female is pregnant now, but, I think most of her kittens must become hawk food, because she's plenty old enough to have had many litters, but I don't see kittens or new cats.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)It is not normal for mother foxes to bite people who happen to be near their babies. If that were normal, there would be thousands of fox bites every spring, and that just doesn't happen. Foxes aren't aggressive and fox bites are rare. If a fox attacks someone, there a a high chance it is rabid - and this fox did it again and again.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)Coventina
(27,064 posts)I wish we would go extinct and leave the rest of the biosphere alone.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,423 posts)The world would be so much better if there were about 1/6th the current population.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)They are euthanized and tested as soon as possible. This is also true of bats, skunks, and raccoons.
It is not normal at all for a mother fox with young to bite people. It's normal for a rabid fox to bite people.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)Please research. It's sad, it's always sad. However, the fox tested positive. The fox already exhibited rabies by unprovoked 9 attacks of biting.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)On edit: yes, and she was rabid.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)How.long do you want the humans who were bitten, for rabies to take hold in them. There is No cure.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Rpep automatically it is only because of the cost that ins forces you to prove rabies first. So crappy profit driven health care is the reason.
LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)and put her through that stress, while telling the people that were bitten to wait to find out if they had an almost 100% fatal virus?
That's cruel- to the Fox, and the people.
Carlitos Brigante
(26,496 posts)Mariana
(14,854 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Goddammit! Fucking humans!
LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)Now her kits will be put down too.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)mentally kicked myself for what I'd said in my post. I feel so sad that the fox was rabid, and I was afraid her babies would have to be euthanized too.
iscooterliberally
(2,860 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Hekate
(90,562 posts)Unfortunately you cant just blame the people who must work there, if the critter is jumping out of the bushes and biting them. That is known rabid behavior and very dangerous. This isnt a petting zoo.
Rabies. Is. Fatal. To. Humans. Not. Just. Animals.
The kits were located and will be cared for kindly until they are grown and can be released into the wild.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)Hekate
(90,562 posts)There are people who just dont understand.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,264 posts)I kinda figured it was rabies, now those bitten will have to be treated with the rabies vaccine, and they've very likely already started the process.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)To test for rabies. The fox was rabid, and going to die a horrible death. Better to euthanize, way more humane. Folks who were bitten will undergo rabies treatment. The kits were found, trapped and will be monitored.
I have a lot of raccoons here, and after the Almeda fire, we fed them, we have several we still care for. However, I wouldn't hesitate to call authorities if I thought for one minute, I saw signs of rabies. It would wipe out all the survivors of the fire, plus spread it to our abandoned cats that survived. Nope, would never risk all these animals to rabies, no way.
totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)I hope they are negative for rabies and if negative I hope they can be sent to an animal sanctuary.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)They should probably be euthanized. They've almost certainly been in frequent contact with their mother's infected saliva.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)they remain symptom free then that should be enough I would think. However I admit I am not a veterinarian.
LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)They will sometimes observe animals if they have been in contact with a possible rabid animal, but when it's the mom, it's pretty much a given that the kits have it.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)She could have been quarantined and observed. In cats they have to be within 3-6 days of being symptomatic to be able to infect others. Whoever was bitten should get rpep / be vaccinated.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)She was already showing signs of rabies.
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LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)Fox and her litter are now history. Who knows how many other animals are infected on Capitol Hill?
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Hekate
(90,562 posts)The vixen was not behaving normally biting 9 people for no reason was not normal protective behavior. It was fatal-confused-brain-disease behavior, highly contagious, and fatal.
That is all part of Mother Nature. She is not all that kind.
I think it was Louis Pasteur who developed the first rabies vaccine. IIRC a village boy was savaged by a rabid wolf about the time Pasteur had some vaccine ready for human trial. In the course of rescuing the boy the wolf was shot but everyone absolutely knew that kid was fated to die as well, because that is what invariably took place. So Dr Pasteur was called on, and he vaccinated the boy, and the boy survived.
And that is why our dogs and cats get their rabies shots today they meet wild animals, and as pets they live in our houses and sleep on our beds. In my county the biggest vector for rabies is skunks, according to my now-retired vet. Its bad enough when my dog gets sprayed while trying to make friends but if she were to get bitten as well and if she was unprotected, she would be a danger to the entire household.
TY. So frustrating. We went thru this a couple of years ago when a DUer whod been feeding raccoons on her deck got bitten. We wrangled all night with her before she conceded to going to the ER for shots.
This time around theres what feels like a whole horde of folks who simply dont get it and think the humans are just big meanies. I dont get the sheer ignorance.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)till it dies?
Hekate
(90,562 posts)The gifts of science have succeeded to such an extent that along with smallpox and polio, I think things like this are just so beyond the average persons experience, and theyve made up their minds about Nature and the animal kingdom. Nature Good. People Bad.
Villagers and peasants in Pasteurs time werent stupid they just didnt know sciency things we now take so much for granted that, well, we dont really know them either. But they knew enough to not eat poisonous mushrooms, to avoid vipers, and to identify a rabid animal.
LuckyCharms
(17,414 posts)under these circumstances, everyone bitten should have received rabies shots immediately, because the fox was, at that point, indeed symptomatic because of the unusual behavior.
I was thinking of deleting my response, because I think I went off on a rant that may have been un-associated with what actually happened.
I jumped the gun without knowing all of the facts, probably due to the fact that our relationship with wild animals seems to be a hot button with me.
Of course, I agree with everything you typed. In fact, one worry I always have is this. There are a lot of bats in my neighborhood, and I used to get a lot of them in my living space until I remodeled my home. They can be in your closet or something during the day, and then come out and start flying around your house when you're sleeping. They have tiny teeth, so you might not know you have been bitten. I'm of the mind that if you see a bat flying around your room(s), unless you saw it come in and you know it has not been in the house when you were sleeping, you should probably seek a series of rabies shots immediately.
Years ago, my two dogs were sprayed by a skunk at 5AM. There's nothing like that odor up close and personal after it gets on your clothes after you pick your sprayed dogs up and carry them to where you can clean them up.
By the way, to anyone reading, don't get them wet with water, or you're going to have a bad time. I now forget how you are supposed to handle it, but water is not good, I think it locks the odor in more, or something like that.
Anyway, I took them to the groomer later in the day and she got rid of most of the odor.
My biggest concern when this happened was that rabies could be spread by skunk spray. I assumed that it would HAVE to be transmitted that way. My vet managed to reassure me. Both my dogs were vaccinated, but I was still worried. I can't remember exactly what finally calmed me down, but it may have been the fact that they were vaccinated, and she may have said it is spread just through bites, but I was still wary.
Thinking about this some more, I think I will delete my post because it contains some poorly thought out opinions, but I appreciate and understand your response here.
Hekate
(90,562 posts)I keep the ingredients in a bucket in the garage. Do not pre-mix.
1 quart bottle hydrogen peroxide
1/3 cup baking soda
1 squirt dish detergent
Put on old clothes. Mix all ingredients in the bucket and sponge all over the dumb dog. Leave mixture on for 15 minutes. Rinse thoroughly with plain water. The dog will smell about 90% better.
Best of luck, and again, thank you for the kind post.
LuckyCharms
(17,414 posts)I'm going to bookmark this OP in case I ever need this recipe, but I hope I never need it! Thanks so much for providing it!
I'll tell you what happened with the skunks...
My wife is usually the one who takes the dogs out. We don't let them go out alone. She got uparound 5AM, and I was just crawling out of bed trying to shake the cobwebs out.
All of a sudden I heard this blood curdling scream from my wife, and then she kept calling out the names of our dogs. I had no idea what was happening. I usually just sleep in my underwear, but for some reason on this day, I had on a shirt and some sweats, probably because it was cold (this happened in November). I knew from her scream that something really bad happened, so I immediately ran out the backdoor, barefooted. Both my dogs had this poor little skunk pinned on it's back, and both of them got sprayed.
I managed to get the dogs off the skunk, and stupidly picked up one under each arm to get them the heck out of there. Got that musk all over me. It didn't even smell like a skunk that close, it smelled much worse.
I knew they did not get bitten while I was hauling them off the skunk, and my wife confirmed they did not get bitten, just sprayed.
We threw both dogs into the tub while we were both gagging from the smell. By now, the whole house stunk.
Boy dog was hanging his head and would not look at me. He got immediately depressed. Girl dog was looking at me like an extremely pissed off human would.
We tried hosing them down in the tub, but that made the smell worse. Then, I thought...BEER! I think I've heard that beer works! There was no beer in the house, so I drove my dumb ass to Wegmans just before 5am. They refused to sell me beer because I think it had to be after 530 or 600 am or something until they could sell it legally...something like that...some alcohol law.
So I went home. I had the day off, my wife had to go to work. They made her go home immediately.
Hekate
(90,562 posts)Speaking of learning, you would have thought Id twig to the fact earlier than I did that my Cockapoo should never have been let out into the backyard unleashed after dark. She looked like a drowned rat when I washed her, and shivered pathetically. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Almost 5 years ago we moved to an area so abundant with wildlife that our current doggy is never, ever allowed outside unaccompanied, and after dark is leashed even to make the short trip outside the door to the palm tree. So far so good. She had all her skunk experiences before we moved.
Dorian Gray
(13,479 posts)need series of shots. News at 11.