Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Celerity

(43,491 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 10:11 AM Apr 2022

Ukraine, NATO and a Zeitenwende

(my add: Zeitenwende means a watershed event, a turn in the times, the change of an era. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz used the term to describe the Russian invasion of Ukraine in a February 28th special address to the Bundestag)




Russia has upended the old rules-based order, Paul Mason writes. Europe needs to shape a new one.

https://socialeurope.eu/ukraine-nato-and-a-zeitenwende



While western capitals scramble to send supplies of arms, munitions and aid to Ukraine, the strategic choices looming over the North Atlantic Treaty Organization are becoming clearer. NATO’s ‘strategic concept’—a 12-year-old guidance document—is due to be upgraded at a summit in Madrid in June. Yet few of the foreign ministers meeting at the alliance headquarters in Brussels last week wanted to be frank about the choices they face.

Much, of course, depends on the final outcome of the war. Realistic scenarios range from operational defeat of the Russian forces, leading to a frozen conflict in the Donbas and the armed neutrality of Ukraine, to partition—with in the Russian-controlled zone a regime of ‘de-Ukrainisation’, massacres and forced population movements, as the west looks on helplessly.

The variables include what happens to western public opinion. Will Sweden and Finland join NATO? Will, more immediately, Emmanuel Macron defeat the Putin-sympathetic Marine Le Pen in the French presidential election? And will the United States presidency remain in the hands of politicians committed to the NATO project?

All these questions are in doubt. But if the answer is ‘yes’ in each case there is an opportunity to make big changes in military spending, posture, force structure and technology—with a clear pathway outlined before Madrid.

No more rules........

snip

3 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

ripcord

(5,520 posts)
1. It is amazing how fast Finland and Sweden are being brought into NATO to protect them
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 10:26 AM
Apr 2022

Ukraine tried for over 6 years to get the same protection and now we are seeing the atrocities resulting from the decision to deny them.

Celerity

(43,491 posts)
3. Ukraine had a tonne of systemic issues that prevented it from easily being granted full NATO status.
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 10:40 AM
Apr 2022

The horrific Russian invasion has pushed a lot into the background in the rush to stop Putin.


Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220404-merkel-defends-2008-decision-to-block-ukraine-from-nato


NATO Won’t Let Ukraine Join Soon. Here’s Why.

Ukraine has pressed for membership to defend against Russia. But President Biden and European leaders are not ready for that step.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html


Nato allies divided over Ukraine and Georgia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/02/ukraine-georgia


Hungary to block Ukraine's NATO membership over language law (2019)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-nato-hungary-idUSKBN1Y823N

HUAJIAO

(2,397 posts)
2. " While western capitals scramble to send supplies of arms, munitions and aid to Ukraine..."
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 10:36 AM
Apr 2022

Somehow I don't think 'scramble' is quite the right word.... To a great degree I would use "drag their feet."

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Ukraine, NATO and a Zeite...