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"The author was 12 when these things happened to him. Such things happen to 12 year olds..." (Original Post) kpete Apr 2022 OP
Bravo! Girard442 Apr 2022 #1
I remember reading the repuglicon strategy to take over local organizations erronis Apr 2022 #2
my late mom felt that the rs owned the white house , the congress, AllaN01Bear Apr 2022 #5
In the late 1980s Iwas elected to the local school board. We were expected to attend "new".... usaf-vet Apr 2022 #7
Yep! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Apr 2022 #18
They are using the same plan to take over positions of influence in our electoral process. CrispyQ Apr 2022 #22
What was the response from the board members? Did they just take it? jaxexpat Apr 2022 #27
Great question. I'll admit the meeting to meeting happenings are a bit foggy after 30 years but.. usaf-vet Apr 2022 #31
I get it. Atrophy. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #32
Very early 80s reagun... and even before.. HUAJIAO Apr 2022 #9
Most Republican politicians send their own kids to private schools IronLionZion Apr 2022 #11
And those Repub parents don't want sex ed... but they can afford "vacations" for a semester.... albacore Apr 2022 #34
Pat Robertson set up a PAC to fund school board campaigns... IthinkThereforeIAM Apr 2022 #16
You recall correctly. A drib here, a drab there and pretty soon you got a silent insurrection....... jaxexpat Apr 2022 #28
Brava!!! niyad Apr 2022 #3
pox the harper valley pta. doing her job:) AllaN01Bear Apr 2022 #4
Dedicated to his parents, sister and grandparents who disappeared into the night. Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #6
thanks for the link, kidberwyn NJCher Apr 2022 #12
K&R spanone Apr 2022 #8
you go, Mrs. Gussky NJCher Apr 2022 #10
When I was in 6th grade, the trial of Adolf Eichmann wnylib Apr 2022 #13
I read about and watched the Eichmann trial riverbendviewgal Apr 2022 #25
My parents were Dems, and not racist or anti Semitic, wnylib Apr 2022 #26
Your parents cared about you riverbendviewgal Apr 2022 #29
My father taught me phonetics and a few wnylib Apr 2022 #35
You were fortunate riverbendviewgal Apr 2022 #41
"I know! Let's have a good old-fashioned book-burning." BobTheSubgenius Apr 2022 #14
......we could all become very merry, very tired, riding back and forth on the Stygian ferry*. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #30
Nice! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2022 #38
"We love the undereducated": DJ Trump 2016 world wide wally Apr 2022 #15
I read that book, but when I was around 40. Highly recommend it. Jetheels Apr 2022 #17
I read it when I was in my 40's. Quakerfriend Apr 2022 #20
Hear Hear! OldBaldy1701E Apr 2022 #19
Mr. Weisel would have been proud of that teacher. 70sEraVet Apr 2022 #21
The PTA knobs don't want their precious spawn reading this book, they say it is too Ziggysmom Apr 2022 #23
remember the movie "Carrie" and how religio insane her mother was? alphafemale Apr 2022 #24
I remember reading that book at an older age than 12. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #33
"Night" is an excellent book with a big lesson in it. trickyguy Apr 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author trickyguy Apr 2022 #37
And those things happened to children much younger than 12. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2022 #39
Now THAT is a professional. Teachers are the scholars of their communities, and ancianita Apr 2022 #40
Sex education should be taught ymetca Apr 2022 #42
Most of these things ARE HAPPENING right now to children in Ukraine. Are parents unplugging Ziggysmom Apr 2022 #43

erronis

(15,328 posts)
2. I remember reading the repuglicon strategy to take over local organizations
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:17 AM
Apr 2022

PTAs, school boards, etc.

I think it was back in the 80s and I thought "how quaint."

Now I realize that they were planning all along to change/destroy public education in the US.

Good for that 6th grade teacher. I hope her resolve can be matched around this country.

AllaN01Bear

(18,353 posts)
5. my late mom felt that the rs owned the white house , the congress,
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:28 AM
Apr 2022

the state house . and they came up thru all sorts of ways even the local dog catcher if they had one .

usaf-vet

(6,196 posts)
7. In the late 1980s Iwas elected to the local school board. We were expected to attend "new"....
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:12 AM
Apr 2022

.... school board members training. In one break-out session, we were told that on a national level, there was a long-range plan to take over school boards, PTAs, local councils, and all state-level elected offices possible.

This is precisely what they have done. At the local level, on the board that I sat on for two elected terms, their first target was sex education. It took them time to make it happen, but in the end, they won.

Since the early 1990s, ignorance has been the lesson of the day.

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
22. They are using the same plan to take over positions of influence in our electoral process.
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:08 PM
Apr 2022

It's insidious & our side has been slow to respond. Even now, I'm not sure the old guard dems recognize the magnitude of threat that the entire Republican Party establishment has become.


"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." ~Karl Rove

jaxexpat

(6,844 posts)
27. What was the response from the board members? Did they just take it?
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 05:12 PM
Apr 2022

Or was the energetic blather from the right so incomprehensible that people simply gave up arguing with them. I've often wondered if the mania of the right is the key to their successes. That's a pretty wild concept, really, when you examine the mechanics of it. That the very thing which reveals persons as dismissably sociopathic is the fuel which they use to stay their course, the energy to tear down social contracts, such as schools and rendering the school system non-functional.
It's a force hard to beat, even absolutely unbeatable if civility is held as a prerequisite to legitimize the cause of those aligning themselves to stop the radicalism. In other words, I don't think "civilized" folk are up to the task of taking down these scumbags.

usaf-vet

(6,196 posts)
31. Great question. I'll admit the meeting to meeting happenings are a bit foggy after 30 years but..
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 06:04 PM
Apr 2022

... here is what I would say.

1. the reason it took a good deal of time for them to "water down" the sex education classes was that we were dealing with another high-level issue simultaneously.

We were trying to build a new elementary school to replace three post-WW II buildings. So lots of effort was expended by both sided pros and cons of building a new school.

2. Over several elections, we lost board members for many reasons. Some were exhausted with the new school issue (BTW, which passed via a binding referendum). Some had served for years and chose not to run. Some were replaced by new board members who the anti-sex education group supported.

3. We lost the female biology teacher who taught sex-ed to another school district when the family moved.

4. in our favor, we had half the board members who had college degrees and believed in science and data.

5. In the end, their long-term persistence and lobbying of individual board members who were "on the fence."
They managed to kill a meaningful sex-ed class based on facts and science to a class taught by a female coach with a degree in PhyEd.

jaxexpat

(6,844 posts)
32. I get it. Atrophy.
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 06:14 PM
Apr 2022

My mother retired from teaching as soon as she was eligible for the pension. She told me it was underinformed and proudly uneducated parents who drove her from her elementary teaching career. She just felt useless and impotent to push back against the flow. That, however was 1981 and she was a Lincoln Republican, so it's hard to say what Jimmy Carter did to piss her off.

IronLionZion

(45,514 posts)
11. Most Republican politicians send their own kids to private schools
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:38 AM
Apr 2022

and that's the case throughout America for Republicans with money. They want to screw over families who depend on public schools.

albacore

(2,405 posts)
34. And those Repub parents don't want sex ed... but they can afford "vacations" for a semester....
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 06:22 PM
Apr 2022

..when little Suzie gets knocked up.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
16. Pat Robertson set up a PAC to fund school board campaigns...
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:29 AM
Apr 2022

... I recall clearly that the Christian Coalition PAC would make, "donations", to selected, ie... fundy/right wing candidates for local school boards. Usually about $2,000 or less, depending on how much mailing and advertising/posters had to be purchased for the school board campaign by their selected candidate for name recognition.

Ralph Reed was in on it, too. He was in on much of the RNC hijinx of the early 90's.

jaxexpat

(6,844 posts)
28. You recall correctly. A drib here, a drab there and pretty soon you got a silent insurrection.......
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 05:20 PM
Apr 2022

from that "silent majority", no less. The same "majority", I think, who Henrik Ibsen warned about in his short play "An Enemy of the People", the conclusion of which was embodied in the protagonist's final lines, "the majority is never right unless it does right".

NJCher

(35,713 posts)
12. thanks for the link, kidberwyn
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:40 AM
Apr 2022

One of the hardest books I ever read was Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl. It's about how he maintained hope while in the Nazi concentration camps.

I read the book in 1981. I see there is now a young adult version.

NJCher

(35,713 posts)
10. you go, Mrs. Gussky
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:30 AM
Apr 2022

Teach that book.

It's hard to teach kids about this kind of ugliness. Even in my capacity as an educator on nutrition, I see how incredulous elementary age kids are when I tell them about, for example, why they should not by Chinese garlic.

It's so hard for them to understand that someone would intentionally harm them--for profit or just from pure evilness.



wnylib

(21,573 posts)
13. When I was in 6th grade, the trial of Adolf Eichmann
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:41 AM
Apr 2022

was televised.

Our 6th grade teacher, following the school district curriculum, had been encouraging us to become more aware of current events through newspapers, TV, and radio. She set aside class time for us to say what we had read or heard.

One boy mentioned the Eichmann trial. The teacher immediately cut him off and said, "We don't talk about such things here."

So naturally I wanted to know more about it. This was a neighborhood city school, so we went home for lunch each day. When I got home, my mother and her aunt, an immigrant from Germany (long before WWII), who lived with us, were watching TV. I saw Eichmann inside his glass booth before they noticed that I was there. They sent me to the kitchen and refused to let me watch. They said that it was inappropriate for children.

But after school, I slipped away with the newspaper and read about it.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
25. I read about and watched the Eichmann trial
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 02:36 PM
Apr 2022

I was in 8th grade. Luckily my parents didn't stop me. They were too busy with their lives. Shopping and watching sports. The trial made a profound effect on me. The photos of what the nazis did are still embedded in my mind. Like the lampshades made with jewish children's skin.

It made me think so differently than my parents and brothers. It made me totally anti racist and anti fascist. It was the beginning of my progressive beliefs. Also seeing the film On The Beach made me more aware of what war could do

My family are all trumpers.

wnylib

(21,573 posts)
26. My parents were Dems, and not racist or anti Semitic,
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 03:00 PM
Apr 2022

but they thought it was too gruesome for children to hear about.

I read On The Beach when I was in 8th grade, just before the Cuban Missile Crisis. It was not a class assignment, just a paperback that I saw in a drugstore and bought with my allowance.

I also read the Diary of Anne Frank, which I got at the junior high school library after seeing the film on TV. I'm not sure where my mother was when I watched it, but I do remember that she was not there, and my father worked second shift at that time. My live-in aunt had gone to a nursing home by then.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
29. Your parents cared about you
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 05:27 PM
Apr 2022

They are Democratics.. Yes, . I read Anne Frank too.
The library was my second home. Loved history and geography, current events. My mother told me I was weird because I loved reading.

My mother was a female Trump.

wnylib

(21,573 posts)
35. My father taught me phonetics and a few
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 06:27 PM
Apr 2022

printed words before I started kindergarten. Then I built up my reading vocabulary from there, asking meanings for words that I could sound out but had not heard before. So I became an avid reader.

My older brother tried to stump me by giving me words to spell that had silent letters, like "knife." But my mother clued me in by pronouncing the "k."

There were times, though, when my mother said that too much reading time was not good and sent me outdoors to play or distracted me with something else.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
14. "I know! Let's have a good old-fashioned book-burning."
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:56 AM
Apr 2022

"We'll march around the bonfire, sing rousing songs and make a night of it."

jaxexpat

(6,844 posts)
30. ......we could all become very merry, very tired, riding back and forth on the Stygian ferry*.
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 05:29 PM
Apr 2022

*apologies to E. St. V. Millay (sorry Edna)

Or the last train to Clarksville. Obviously, with apologies to M. Dolenz.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
17. I read that book, but when I was around 40. Highly recommend it.
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:42 AM
Apr 2022

I’m not sure it would be appropriate for a 12 year old tbh.
Has any one read it that is commenting?

Quakerfriend

(5,451 posts)
20. I read it when I was in my 40's.
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 12:18 PM
Apr 2022

It might shatter the innocence of a 12 year old but,
they would learn about man’s inhumanity to man at some point.

Ziggysmom

(3,410 posts)
23. The PTA knobs don't want their precious spawn reading this book, they say it is too
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:11 PM
Apr 2022

violent. Then the kid wanders off to their bedroom to play World of Warcraft online. I call repube hypocrisy bullshit!

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
24. remember the movie "Carrie" and how religio insane her mother was?
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:23 PM
Apr 2022

That is not far from reality for some kids

Someone needs to be there to tell young girls by as early as 8 that this is going to happen.
And she is not dying or cursed.

Someone needs to tell young boys entering puberty that they are going to have odd ball sex dreams and get erections in a stiff (heh) breeze. But that is perfectly natural. They are not bad or cursed for thoughts. Just don't act on them.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
33. I remember reading that book at an older age than 12.
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 06:21 PM
Apr 2022

Horrific. All of Wiesel's books should be required reading.

I doubt I could read them again now though.

Response to kpete (Original post)

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
40. Now THAT is a professional. Teachers are the scholars of their communities, and
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:26 PM
Apr 2022

communities should not second guess them, but trust and respect their expertise.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
42. Sex education should be taught
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:28 AM
Apr 2022

around middle school, or puberty age, at least. It used to be. It was mainly about the "plumbing", and "here's how you'll look with uncontrolled syphilis", but it was something anyway.

Why is sex the one subject Thou Shalt Not Teach kids?

This lack of sex education, arguably, is what makes so many of us monsters toward each other. All the anguish in life starts right there.

Lately Republicans appear more interested in being "groomed" than most, which is clear evidence of their paltry education in the subject!

Ziggysmom

(3,410 posts)
43. Most of these things ARE HAPPENING right now to children in Ukraine. Are parents unplugging
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 07:44 AM
Apr 2022

their children from all news sources? I think NOT!

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