HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Could Texas go Blue? I'm ...

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 08:54 AM

Could Texas go Blue? I'm watching Lawrence O'Donnell's show

from last night.

He had a report about what Abbott is doing with trucks at the border. He then had Beto O'Rourke on as a guest.

As a native Texas (who's lived in California most of my adult life - since 1988), I'm wondering if there's a chance?

What do Du'ers think?

Thanks!

103 replies, 2783 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 103 replies Author Time Post
Reply Could Texas go Blue? I'm watching Lawrence O'Donnell's show (Original post)
Upthevibe Apr 13 OP
jimfields33 Apr 13 #1
Amishman Apr 13 #7
Upthevibe Apr 14 #45
Liberal In Texas Apr 13 #12
Upthevibe Apr 14 #46
LymphocyteLover Apr 14 #95
JohnSJ Apr 13 #18
Upthevibe Apr 14 #47
haele Apr 14 #65
Elessar Zappa Apr 14 #81
pinkstarburst Apr 13 #31
Upthevibe Apr 14 #48
Upthevibe Apr 14 #43
gab13by13 Apr 13 #2
Upthevibe Apr 14 #44
Diamond_Dog Apr 13 #3
Upthevibe Apr 14 #49
Diamond_Dog Apr 14 #76
rownesheck Apr 13 #4
Upthevibe Apr 14 #50
greenjar_01 Apr 13 #5
SoonerPride Apr 13 #20
SoCalDavidS Apr 13 #26
Upthevibe Apr 14 #52
anarch Apr 13 #6
Upthevibe Apr 14 #53
Lovie777 Apr 13 #8
Upthevibe Apr 14 #54
uponit7771 Apr 13 #9
Upthevibe Apr 14 #55
Bettie Apr 13 #10
Upthevibe Apr 14 #56
Bettie Apr 14 #61
Upthevibe Apr 14 #66
Celerity Apr 13 #11
Upthevibe Apr 14 #57
Celerity Apr 14 #62
Upthevibe Apr 14 #64
RussBLib Apr 13 #13
Upthevibe Apr 14 #58
Midnight Writer Apr 13 #14
Upthevibe Apr 14 #59
shrike3 Apr 13 #15
Upthevibe Apr 14 #60
shrike3 Apr 14 #79
Upthevibe Apr 15 #99
carrowsboy Apr 13 #16
Upthevibe Apr 14 #63
JohnSJ Apr 13 #17
Upthevibe Apr 14 #67
JohnSJ Apr 14 #69
Upthevibe Apr 14 #71
SoonerPride Apr 13 #19
Upthevibe Apr 14 #68
SoonerPride Apr 14 #78
Emile Apr 13 #21
jcgoldie Apr 13 #25
Emile Apr 13 #27
jcgoldie Apr 13 #29
Emile Apr 13 #36
jcgoldie Apr 13 #40
Emile Apr 13 #41
Upthevibe Apr 14 #72
Emile Apr 14 #94
Upthevibe Apr 15 #100
Upthevibe Apr 14 #70
fmdaddio Apr 13 #22
Upthevibe Apr 14 #74
Torchlight Apr 13 #23
Upthevibe Apr 14 #75
SoCalDavidS Apr 13 #24
hamsterjill Apr 13 #28
eissa Apr 13 #30
Upthevibe Apr 14 #77
eissa Apr 14 #90
brooklynite Apr 13 #32
Upthevibe Apr 14 #80
48656c6c6f20 Apr 13 #33
Upthevibe Apr 14 #83
SYFROYH Apr 13 #34
Post removed Apr 13 #35
RussBLib Apr 14 #51
Upthevibe Apr 14 #84
former9thward Apr 13 #37
Upthevibe Apr 14 #85
dsp3000 Apr 13 #38
Upthevibe Apr 14 #86
edhopper Apr 13 #39
Upthevibe Apr 14 #87
edhopper Apr 15 #98
JustAnotherGen Apr 13 #42
Upthevibe Apr 14 #88
SKKY Apr 14 #73
Upthevibe Apr 14 #89
LeftInTX Apr 14 #82
Upthevibe Apr 14 #91
I_have_a_cat_bite Apr 14 #92
LeftInTX Apr 14 #93
Upthevibe Apr 15 #101
LymphocyteLover Apr 14 #96
Upthevibe Apr 15 #102
Texasgal Apr 15 #97
Upthevibe Apr 19 #103

Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 08:57 AM

1. We need to get the Hispanics back especially in south Texas.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:18 AM

7. This is my concern, eroding hispanic voter support was a big factor in our underperforming in 2020

and given how much public conversation is going on right now on social issues such as LBGTQ rights, I'm not sure how that is going to go. While viewing hispanic voters as a monolithic block is not a good idea, there is definitely an overall trend towards religion (particularly catholicism) and less progressive on social issues.

Doubly concerning is that this dropoff was not well represented in 2020 pre-election polling

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Amishman (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:27 AM

45. Amishman....

Thanks for your feedback..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:04 AM

12. Apparently the RW is funding Spanish language radio

This constant barrage of propaganda has taken its toll on listeners to regular English language radio over the years. It was only a question of when the RW would figure out that that would be how to get an edge in the Hispanic population vote.

Radio and TV control have been huge failings of the Democrats over the last 30 or 40 years.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:28 AM

46. Liberal In Texas....

That's a bummer.....

For the life of me I can't understand why some of the wealthy progressives don't buy some radio stations................

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 10:55 PM

95. Yes-- 100%. It's a big reason Trump did as well as he did with Hispanics in 2020

Nonstop lies and propaganda... it's so gross

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:36 AM

18. I think the Hispanic vote is very split because of the Catholic influence on abortion, and for some,

that trumps the bigotry against them


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JohnSJ (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:29 AM

47. JohnSJ....

Yep....That's an issue....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JohnSJ (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:26 PM

65. Don't forget the growing RW "evilangelical" outreach focusing on masculinity and prosperity gospel.

They've made significant inroads in existing Hispanic communities due to a conflict between previous hard-line Catholicism that justified profiteering on one's neighbors and toxic masculinity, and the more liberal outlook of Pope Francis.

Not every Hispanic community will be reliable open borders/we're all one people voters when it comes to the needs of other Hispanic communities nor refugees. Especially ones who have been established in the US for decades with leadership that moves in GOP circles. They don't like to see themselves as being similar to the average Guatemalan or Panamanian refugee.

Haele


Haele
I

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JohnSJ (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:57 PM

81. It's not the Hispanic Catholic vote that Dems are losing.

It’s the evangelical Hispanics who have drifted toward Republicans. Many Hispanics are converting to evangelical religion and voting Republican.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:55 AM

31. we are losing the Hispanic vote badly

in south Texas and the Rio Grande valley and border policies have a lot to do with it. Unfortunately, Abbott's position is going to play a lot better than ours at the moment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pinkstarburst (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:30 AM

48. pinkstarburst.....

I see that's a major issue.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:25 AM

43. jimfields33....

Yes. I'm starting to realize that's a real issue....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:00 AM

2. In a fair election

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to gab13by13 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:26 AM

44. gab13by13...

Yea, there is that.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:01 AM

3. What is Abbott doing with trucks at the border?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Upthevibe (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:35 PM

76. Thank you

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:04 AM

4. Uhh,

no. The state is too big with giant patches of area that are rural or ghost towns. Those areas are redder than red. I moved away from southeast Texas because I got tired of seeing confederate flags every fucking day. I got tired of hearing ignorant dipshits talk about the shit they talk about. Now, granted, I only moved 90 miles away, but at least the county I live in is blue. Still, though, it's Texas so there are ignorant dipshits here too, but certainly not as many. It's been 6 1/2 years since I moved and I've probably seen 3 confederate flags. That's an improvement at least.

Anyway, the sun will complete its life cycle before Texas turns blue.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rownesheck (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:33 AM

50. rownesheck...

Thank for your feedback...I"m glad you're at least in a blue county....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:05 AM

5. Visual depiction of the Beto segment on Lawrence

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:39 AM

20. Exactly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:52 AM

26. The Charlie Brown & Lucy Football Analogy Applies To So Many Things In America These Days nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:34 AM

52. greenjar_01

...sigh.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:12 AM

6. could we? yes, definitely

will we with this election cycle? I'm going to go with probably not; especially with the vote suppression tactics that the GOP has been rolling out, I think it's extremely unlikely.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to anarch (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:36 AM

53. anarch .......

Thanks for your feedback..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:50 AM

8. Voter suppression by GQP makes sure that does not happen ...

although miracles can happen.

P.S. that's something that majority of the "polls" don't factor in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Lovie777 (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:38 AM

54. Lovie777....

Thanks for your input....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:52 AM

9. If Texas wasn't a dictatorship, the GOTv has to be enormous ... Stacy Abrams organization is there

... I'm praying they make the impact they did in Georgia

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to uponit7771 (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:40 AM

55. uponit7771...

Thanks for your feedback....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:56 AM

10. Too much voter suppression

until that is dealt with, I doubt it.

But, I don't live in Texas, so I don't know what the word on the street is, so to speak.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bettie (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:52 AM

56. Bettie....

Last edited Fri Apr 15, 2022, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

That's why I posted my question.

I wanted to hear what the word was on the street is. Since I'm from there, two of my very best childhood friends (we haven't hung out, obviously, since I moved to California in '88 but we kept in touch and would see each other every so often), are trumpsters. One because she's a evangelical and is majorily anti-choice (one of those real so-called 'pro-lifers"/anti-abortion types) and the other one because she's racist.

We simply don't speak anymore. We didn't have official "falling outs" but we've just moved away from each other (emotionally). I have NOTHING in common with them and they have nothing in common with me.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #56)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:12 PM

61. Oh, I feel that

My one remaining friend from high school, known her since about the 6th grade. She's gone from apolitical to full on anti-vaxx MAGAt, mostly because her husband is.

I don't speak to her anymore. I also don't speak to my right wing brothers either because there is no point in banging my head against that particular brick wall. I have nothing in common with my brothers or with this former friend. The last straw was when she (former friend) told me I was stupid for being vaccinated, because it would "change my DNA". Whatever.

But, I honestly believe that Republicans are taking things too far. They are overshooting and I think (hope) that it will come back to bite them in the midterms. I would hope that women don't want to become second class citizens.

Iowa? Well, probably a lost cause for a while. I have more hope for Texas than this benighted state.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bettie (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:42 PM

66. Bettie.....It's so sad what's happening....

I'm especially sorry about your family members.

I also wonder if things have gone too far - but how many times have I thought that!!!

The recent arrest in Texas of the young woman for murder (and thank God she's been released) for the self-induced abortion is my BIGGEST EFFING FEAR!....

Will this make the complacent and the "I don't get involved/I don't care about politics" wake up? If they haven't woken up already it seems like nothing will....I just don't know...

I know very little about Iowa. I've thought it's pretty much a red state but I don't know any of the dynamics.

I just wish TX didn't have 40 Electoral votes.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 09:59 AM

11. Not anytime soon, especially as we are haemorrhaging badly with the the Hispanic vote,

which is becoming more conservative as evangelicalism is exploding with them.

The Democrats’ Hispanic Voter Problem

https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/the-democrats-hispanic-voter-problem-dfc?s=r

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Celerity (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:56 AM

57. Celerity....

Thanks for your feedback.

That's exactly what I'm seeing here with the various posts and what I've heard from the couple of friends I have who still live in Texas and are progressives.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #57)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:14 PM

62. The Fastest-Growing Group of American Evangelicals (Latinos)

for the first time ever in world history, a major group of Latinos (the US ones) are less than 50% Catholic

The Fastest-Growing Group of American Evangelicals

A new generation of Latino Protestants is poised to transform our religious and political landscapes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/07/latinos-will-determine-future-american-evangelicalism/619551/



In 2007, when Obe and Jacqueline Arellano were in their mid-20s, they moved from the suburbs of Chicago to Aurora, Illinois, with the dream of starting a church. They chose Aurora, a midsize city with about 200,000 residents, mostly because about 40 percent of its population is Latino. Obe, a first-generation Mexican American pastor, told me, “We sensed God wanted us there.” By 2010, the couple had “planted a church,” the Protestant term for starting a brand-new congregation. This summer, the Arellanos moved to Long Beach, California, to pastor at Light & Life Christian Fellowship, which has planted 20 churches in 20 years. Their story is at once singular and representative of national trends: Across the United States, more Latino pastors are founding churches than ever before, a trend that challenges conventional views of evangelicalism and could have massive implications for the future of American politics.

Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church and converting to evangelical Protestantism in increased numbers, and evangelical organizations are putting more energy and resources toward reaching potential Latino congregants. Latinos are the fastest-growing group of evangelicals in the country, and Latino Protestants, in particular, have higher levels of religiosity—meaning they tend to go to church, pray, and read the Bible more often than both Anglo Protestants and Latino Catholics, according to Mark Mulder, a sociology professor at Calvin University and a co-author of Latino Protestants in America. At the same time, a major demographic shift is under way. Arellano, who supports Light & Life’s Spanish-speaking campus, Luz y Vida, told me, “By 2060, the Hispanic population in the United States is expected to grow from 60 million to over 110 million.” None of this is lost on either Latino or Anglo evangelical leadership: They know they need to recruit and train Latino pastors if they’re going to achieve what Arellano describes as “our vision to see that the kingdom of God will go forward and reach more people and get into every nook and cranny of society.”

The stakes of intensified Latino evangelicalism are manifold, and they depend on what kind of evangelicalism prevails across the country. The term evangelical has become synonymous with a voting bloc of Anglo cultural conservatives, but in general theological terms, evangelicals are Christians who believe in the supremacy of the Bible and that they are compelled to spread its gospel. Some Christians who identify with the theological definition fit the political stereotype, but others don’t. That’s true among evangelical Latino leaders too—they have very different interpretations of how the teachings of Jesus Christ call them to act. Every pastor I spoke with told me that they want to see more Latino pastors in leadership positions, and they each had a different take on what new Latino leadership could mean for the future of evangelicalism. When we spoke over the phone, Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the pastor of New Season Worship, in Sacramento, California, told me, “We’re not extending our hand out, asking, ‘Can you help us plant churches?’ We’re coming to primarily white denominations and going, ‘You all need our help.’ This is a flipping of the script.”

Although Latino congregations are too diverse to characterize in shorthand, one of the few declarative statements that can be made about Latino Protestants is a fact borne out with numbers: They are likelier than Latino Catholics to vote Republican. The expansion of Latino evangelicalism bucks assumptions that Democrats and progressives will soon have a clear advantage as the white church declines and the Hispanic electorate rises. “Some counterintuitive things that have happened [in our national politics] would make more sense if we better understood the faith communities that exist within Latinx Protestantism,” Mulder told me over the phone, alluding to the differing perspectives Latinos hold on many issues, including immigration, and how more Latinos voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020 than in 2016. According to the Public Religion Research Institute, Protestant affiliation correlated more with Hispanic approval of Trump’s job in office than age or gender.

snip

excellent longform article, much more at the top link



In 2014, 11% of Latinos were Evangelicals.



Now, the latest numbers from Pew show it is up to 19% (in less that 7 years)

It is likely over 20% now and growing rapidly, driven by the younger gens,

less than half of Latinos in the US are now Catholic, which is pretty amazing


https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/latino/


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Celerity (Reply #62)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:19 PM

64. Celerity....

Thank you so much for this post....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:08 AM

13. it's possible

with the right messaging and candidates.

I'm not convinced that Beto is the right candidate to do it. Lt Gov is a big deal in Texas, and Beto could win with that ass Dan Patrick as Lt Gov.

And then you have the lopsided state House and state Senate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RussBLib (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:05 PM

58. RussBLib....

Thanks for your input.....

I'm actually disappointed that Beto is the candidate because my sense has been that he's too progressive for Texas. His "taking your guns away" comments seem to have been taken out of context which, as we know, can sometimes be an obstacle too big to overcome in some situations.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:27 AM

14. Like the barker at the fair says. "You cannot win if you do not play!"

Last I saw, Abbott is well below 50% in polls, with a large number of undecideds.

Undecided voters when a long time incumbent is running is a warning sign to the incumbent. It shows that the voters who are familiar with him are looking around for an alternative. Undecided votes traditionally break towards the challenger.

I think Beto has a shot. He is a hard worker and he is campaigning in areas that the Republicans take for granted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:08 PM

59. Midnight Writer....

Thanks for your perspective....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:31 AM

15. I'll believe it when I see it.


Sorry to be cynical.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to shrike3 (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:11 PM

60. shrike3....

I welcome your true feelings/thoughts. That's why I posted. I feel quite cynical about TX EVER turning blue in my lifetime or maybe ever......I actually believe in miracles (and I do mean literally) so there's that. IMHO, it would need to be a miracle from The Universe....🙏

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:52 PM

79. Here's to miracles.


They do exist.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to shrike3 (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 15, 2022, 01:21 PM

99. shrike3......

Yes! Here's to miracles!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:32 AM

16. Maybe a year or so ago...

BUT heavy GOP voter restrictions pretty much ensure a GOP dominance for awhile to come.

Thanks Manchin & Sinema

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to carrowsboy (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:16 PM

63. carrowsboy....

Thanks for your feedback....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:33 AM

17. With the voting suppression legislation in Texas and 20% undecided, I seriously doubt it. However,

if subsequent pollsters actually show a shift toward Beto, there may be some validty


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JohnSJ (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:50 PM

67. JohnSJ....

Thank you for your perspective and feedback....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:52 PM

69. Am in California so I really have no idea

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JohnSJ (Reply #69)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:03 PM

71. JohnSJ....

I'm in California too but am from TX.

As someone else mentioned, they didn't know what the word on the street was and I don't either so that's why I posted....

The state has 40 Electoral Votes.......

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:38 AM

19. Not in our lifetime

It is a pipe dream unfortunately.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SoonerPride (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:52 PM

68. SoonerPride.....

Thanks for your input....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #68)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:44 PM

78. You're welcome.

I’m happy to be a buzzkill anytime it happens to be true.

Hey as much as I want texas to go blue I see how many Rs there are and add to that open disenfranchisement and I see no path to democrats taking any power in texas.

By design.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:43 AM

21. Republicans have jerrymandered Texas with a craftsmanship

that is the most politically and racially skewed maps in the country!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Emile (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:50 AM

25. Dont see how that matters in a statewide race

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jcgoldie (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:55 AM

27. Seriously?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Emile (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:41 AM

29. Yes seriously

How do gerrymandered districts affect the governor’s race?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jcgoldie (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:17 PM

36. You like to explain how the state is going to turn blue?

I agree with the governor race, but how is the rest of the state turning blue?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Emile (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:59 PM

40. The op is in reference to Abbott and O'Rourke

My reply to yours referenced a “statewide race” as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jcgoldie (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 02:00 PM

41. The OP is about the state turning blue!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jcgoldie (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:11 PM

72. jcgoldie and Emile....

I'm wondering about Beto's chances at this time. Also, I'm wondering about the Electoral College's 40 votes....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 10:54 PM

94. Have you seen any enlightenment in

all your wonderment?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Emile (Reply #94)

Fri Apr 15, 2022, 01:26 PM

100. Emile,,,,

Actually, I have a much better sense thanks to what I'm reading.

Am I enlightened? No! However, I'm working on it since I don't want to reincarnate to Planet Earth! I want to go to a happier more loving place!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Emile (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 12:54 PM

70. Emile....

Thanks for your feedback...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:48 AM

22. No chance

Abbott is very unpopular right now so polling will show a closer race as many repugs do not want to answer the poll supporting him. I think Beto would be a great governor but he shot himself in the foot with his stance on guns. That might work in New York but not in Texas. Redistricting will not affect the governor's race but voter suppression efforts will. My reaction to the poll and level of undecided tells me that Abbott will win easily. Lawrence knows that but hr is just manufacturing a news hour.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fmdaddio (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:20 PM

74. fmdaddio...

I mentioned in another post that I wish Beto wasn't the candidate.

I think he's way too progressive for TX and the comments about guns (although I completely agree with him) have been taken out of context and along with other variables is probably too much to overcome.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:49 AM

23. Our fingers crossed

We're doing what we can and hoping for the best; at this point, my guess is our best-case scenario is about as locked in as a flip of the coin is.

The spirit of Anne Richards still lives in the party, and it looks like O'Rourke is the right man for the job who's earned the respect of many Texas Democrats.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Torchlight (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:33 PM

75. Torchlight.........

Thanks for your perspective...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 10:49 AM

24. Not A Chance

That's my opinion.

I think the Party would be better served, spending it's money elsewhere, than on races in places like TX or FL.

The QOP is not going to let the Democrats win in those states, and will do whatever it takes. Although it probably won't take much, because those states are Red States, NOT Purple, despite any appearances of us being close.

They're not really close, and you're not going to get a majority to vote for someone with a (D) next to their name. Beto would probably stand a fairly good chance of winning elsewhere, but not in TX.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:20 AM

28. I get my hopes up every election

Only to be disappointed yet again. The redistricting is a factor, the border is a huge factor that Dems don’t message enough about, Hispanics are voting against their own interests and Repukes are still the elite at instilling fear.

One day, I hope it happens.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 11:47 AM

30. We've been hearing that for almost two decades

I don't see it happening. The cities may have some blue spots, but the state overall is very red. Hispanic turnouts are usually unreliable, and the influx of conservative Californians isn't going to help.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to eissa (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:37 PM

77. eissa....

I'm in CA and I realize some of "our" wingnuts have moved to TX.

Is it considered to be really significant?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:33 PM

90. High enough to make a difference

I've seen statistics of about 700,000 over the past several years. I'm in CA as well, and every family I know that's cashed out and moved there have done so for ideological reasons.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 12:02 PM

32. People don't think of the scale of elections in Texas

Greg Abbott won the 2018 election by 1.1 million votes.

Ted Cruz won the 2018 election by 220,000 votes.

John Cornyn won the 2020 election by 1.1 million votes.

Donald Trump won the 2020 election in Texas by 600,000.

Those are very large margins. Even a "close" (2-3%) race requires turnout a very large increase in voters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:57 PM

80. brooklynite ...

Thanks for your stats...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 12:38 PM

33. Texas has too many

Ass cysts to turn blue. A snowball in hell would be a better bet than a blue Texas.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to 48656c6c6f20 (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:02 PM

83. 48656c6c6f20 ....

Thanks for your feedback....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:12 PM

34. It's possible, but we have to do a much better job recruiting Latino/a votes.


I think many people assumed that Texans of Mexican descent would automatically vote Democratic and we've now seen how wrong that is even when the alternative is Trump.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SYFROYH (Reply #34)


Response to Post removed (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 11:33 AM

51. we do not have an "open border"

if that were true, we would stop apprehending people crossing illegally.

If the border were "wide open" we would not be enforcing anything.

You are repeating a Republican talking point.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SYFROYH (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:08 PM

84. SYFROYH....

That seems to be a MAJOR issue (one of many)...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:22 PM

37. In the recent primary 2 million Rs voted.

About 1 million Ds voted. That is a 2 to 1 advantage. Hard to overcome.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to former9thward (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:09 PM

85. former9thward....

Thanks for your feedback.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:42 PM

38. Texas won't go blue in my lifetime. No matter how much we wish it to

Too much corruption, gerrymandering and suppression even if the votes are there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dsp3000 (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:12 PM

86. dsp3000....

Thanks for your input.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:45 PM

39. Nope

The GOP has made it so Dem votes don't count.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to edhopper (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:13 PM

87. edhopper....

Thanks for your feedback....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Reply #87)

Fri Apr 15, 2022, 08:42 AM

98. It's a sad state of affairs

But the Roberts Court and a Manchin's obstruction has made so Democracy is in retreat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2022, 02:01 PM

42. Not in Texas

But if their ground game is good, and they have voter ID's locked down - I think he could win.

It may take those of us who can, to continue to donate to the organizations that are helping folks in restrictive punitive Jim Crow Voter ID states - donating.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:17 PM

88. JustAnotherGen...

Thanks for your feedback.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 01:15 PM

73. It's like anywhere, if Democrats turn out, we usually do well.

40% are registered as Democrats
39% are registered as Republicans
21% are non-affiliated or Indipendent.

I mean, sure we have a chance, but we have to turn out the vote, especially the 18-25 set, like never before. Young people overwhelmingly vote Democrat, but they also turn out in way fewer numbers. If we can get a few more of them to stumble into a voting booth, we could do something.

But in heavily Hispanic communities, we are getting our clocks cleaned by the Republican presence on Spanish-speaking channels. And it's the same refrain over and over again, but it speaks loudly to them. "Democrats=Socialism. Chavez=Socialism. Maduro=Socialism. Castro=Socialism." If we don't figure out this Hispanic issue, we might be in for a very, very difficult time because that's the population with the largest growth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SKKY (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:22 PM

89. SKKY....

Thank you for explaining it in those terms.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:00 PM

82. Latinos are different than California's

California benefitted from the Immigration Act of 1986.
For some reason, Texas really didn't.
California has a much higher percentage of naturalized citizens or children of naturalized citizens than Texas, due to the Immigration Act of 1986.

The voting population in Texas is not particularly supportive of immigration, because they don't have a strong connection to it.

Although there is immigration, (both documented and undocumented) most immigrants are not eligible for US citizenship.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LeftInTX (Reply #82)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:34 PM

91. LeftInTX....

Very interesting.

Thank you for this information.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 02:55 PM

92. I live in Texas

I think people here care more about guns than a woman being arrested for murder over an abortion. We'll never win back the white vote. They are awful. I'm white and I know what my southern relatives are like. Catholicism is peeling away Latino support for Democrats over abortion.

When I voted recently, there was like 10 democrats and 50+ Republicans. Republicans also had over twice as many machines (and no masks). As stupid as it is, Critical Race Theory hysteria has overtaken the country. I'm worried it is a winning message. I think white people deeply resent the phrase "white privilege" and are out for blood over it. It looks bleak. I still have my Beto stickers, but he lost to Ted Cruise and said the thing about taking AR-15s away. I agree with him, but I don't think he can win here. If we do ever win here, it will probably be a do-nothing like Manchin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to I_have_a_cat_bite (Reply #92)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:02 PM

93. A do-nothing like Manchin would be a dream compared to what we have now!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to I_have_a_cat_bite (Reply #92)

Fri Apr 15, 2022, 01:38 PM

101. I_have_a_cat_bite.....

That has been my feeling for years.

However, every fricken' cycle I kind of think that there might there might be a small chance......

I was just horrified when I heard the recording of the Texas Administrator who was facilitating a professional development day for teachers at a school in Texas and she told them that if they had a book in their library on the Holocaust they needed another book with an opposing view (or words to that effect).....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 10:57 PM

96. if he can get a ton of non-voters out to vote, yes

organization, organization, organization

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #96)

Fri Apr 15, 2022, 01:42 PM

102. LymphocyteLover...

Thanks for your input...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Fri Apr 15, 2022, 12:05 AM

97. I believe there is a chance!

All of our large cities are BLUE. We've had a shitload of growth in these cities and many of them are from Blue states.

Your run of the mill republicans are disgusted by trump and his butt buddies.

We just need to GOTV!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Texasgal (Reply #97)

Tue Apr 19, 2022, 09:47 AM

103. Texasgal....

Well, as I mentioned in another post, I actually believe in miracles so there's that.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread