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BBC News - Moskva has sunk (Original Post) BeyondGeography Apr 2022 OP
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! cilla4progress Apr 2022 #1
It sunk while being towed. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #2
Russian Warship!!!!! Pachamama Apr 2022 #3
Sighted shortly after sinking.... Nevilledog Apr 2022 #6
😆 MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #16
Bwah! ffr Apr 2022 #47
Ukrainian farmers so helpful keeping the oceans clean! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2022 #68
That's how the ships log aboard the tugboat will read. Moskva sunk while under tow. taxi Apr 2022 #27
It was all the tugboat's fault. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #31
The mighty Russian Battlecruiser, Flagship of the Black Fleet...brought low by a tug boat. spudspud Apr 2022 #35
"sunk while being towed." I'm sorry I don't believe it..russians lie and lie a lot mitch96 Apr 2022 #55
Scuttled IMO speak easy Apr 2022 #59
yes the Russians could have scuttled it. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #62
Is usually a ship is scuttled in war time sarisataka Apr 2022 #69
If a ship its beyond repair, its grave is the sea. speak easy Apr 2022 #72
Right, did the ship even get towed. Or did it sink on the spot. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #60
I hope everyone still on board was evacuated safely. As for the ship, Russian can build another one. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #4
My empathy for the Russian army / navy is nil SoonerPride Apr 2022 #10
They were kids. They were drafted. I want them off the ship safely. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #24
I get it, but they could have refused to do the things they did. AllyCat Apr 2022 #43
One may always Codifer Apr 2022 #56
Completely agree. LakeArenal Apr 2022 #48
Who, the murderers? Loge23 Apr 2022 #28
If they survived they'll just be redeployed to kill more Ukrainians. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #41
Yes I read it on the Ukraine webcam site, just couldn't confirm Bev54 Apr 2022 #5
GLUB GLUB GLUB SoonerPride Apr 2022 #7
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 MoonlitKnight Apr 2022 #8
"The wasrship sunk under tow." Botany Apr 2022 #9
Stormy seas did not sink the Moskva. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #12
But the UKR hit the Moskva when the seas were stormy. That was no accident. Botany Apr 2022 #17
With the poor visibility from the storm, the Moskva never saw it coming. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #19
Also it made sending rescue ships and men out much more difficult Botany Apr 2022 #42
It didn't sink Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #11
Right, and this sub is going to be hugging the sea bottom for a long time. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #14
Putin is a genius! Lol BootinUp Apr 2022 #26
Like the cartoon said-- lastlib Apr 2022 #75
Karma, Awesome: One (1) Ukrainian Unit WheelWalker Apr 2022 #13
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! zuul Apr 2022 #15
MSNBC reports the same Deminpenn Apr 2022 #18
I love it!!! 👍 ... Glory to Ukraine!! 🌻🇺🇦💕 nt Raine Apr 2022 #20
Glory to the heroes! questionseverything Apr 2022 #64
Someone needs to send Pootie a wrapped fish. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2022 #21
Kiss it bye bye Vlad! BootinUp Apr 2022 #22
If I could quit deleriously clapping my hands, I would say, that's a damn shame. justhanginon Apr 2022 #23
Let's get these to Moscow quick, then. Xavier Breath Apr 2022 #25
I'll bet Vlad threatened the shit BootinUp Apr 2022 #29
Russia typically blames the troops when anything goes wrong. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #33
It was the ship that contacted the Ukrainians on Snake Island and were told to applegrove Apr 2022 #30
It did as it was told. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #53
No, no, no... it's just pining for the fjords C_U_L8R Apr 2022 #32
This blows my mind heckles65 Apr 2022 #34
"You sunk my Battleship" MagickMuffin Apr 2022 #36
... BumRushDaShow Apr 2022 #70
From RIA Novosti. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #37
I don't think we are getting the whole story. Bird Lady Apr 2022 #38
LOL. /nt spudspud Apr 2022 #39
And meanwhile in my area, Buffalo, NY, the USS The Sullivans is sinking right now liberal_mama Apr 2022 #40
What is causing this ship to tip like this? nt LAS14 Apr 2022 #45
I'm not sure, she's been at the Buffalo Naval Park since 1977. My parents took me to see her when I liberal_mama Apr 2022 #51
Awww, damn! That is a huge shame. Stinky The Clown Apr 2022 #66
I don't know much about these things, but for a ship to sink, there needs to be .... LAS14 Apr 2022 #44
It was apparently hit by a couple of Ukrainian Neptune missiles. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #54
I was thinking of the Russian version, which said it was just a fire. But... LAS14 Apr 2022 #58
Fire weakens the steel frames, causing buckling. NutmegYankee Apr 2022 #71
Well...bye. Wingus Dingus Apr 2022 #46
the gods really don't like hubris Marthe48 Apr 2022 #49
Putin should rethink buying his used ships from Trump Boats of Florida, Inc. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2022 #50
A new shipwreck dive sight. roamer65 Apr 2022 #52
Russia just lost their biggest air defense asset in the South. Starfury Apr 2022 #57
Good. Joinfortmill Apr 2022 #61
congrats ukraine.... dawn5651 Apr 2022 #63
Buh Bye Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #65
I believe this is the largest ship sunk in combat since World War II sarisataka Apr 2022 #67
I guess some more Russian officers will have a sudden heart attack. LiberalArkie Apr 2022 #73
Good news, but I worry about environmental damage jmbar2 Apr 2022 #74
I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Around 150 ships of this size or larger Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #77
I read that a Turkish vessel rescued 54 Russian sailors last night BlueIdaho Apr 2022 #76

spudspud

(635 posts)
35. The mighty Russian Battlecruiser, Flagship of the Black Fleet...brought low by a tug boat.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:50 PM
Apr 2022

LOL...these stupid orcs.

mitch96

(15,600 posts)
55. "sunk while being towed." I'm sorry I don't believe it..russians lie and lie a lot
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:52 PM
Apr 2022

It would look bad if the news of a UKR cruise missile sank the ship.
Better say it "had a fire" It "sank while being towed"...
Never, never tell the truth. How many russian soldiers are killed?
Why did they pull out of the attack on Kyiv?
It looks bad if you tell the russian people the truth. They are masters of spin.
I wonder if Maxar has some satellite images of the ship being towed? listing b/c of water flooding in? All I know is the powers that be will not tell the truth. YMMV
m

sarisataka

(22,203 posts)
69. Is usually a ship is scuttled in war time
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:18 PM
Apr 2022

To prevent the enemy from capturing it. There was no chance Ukraine would be able to go out and tow the Moskva to capture it.

I believe he went down from battle damage

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
72. If a ship its beyond repair, its grave is the sea.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:27 PM
Apr 2022

better it sink out there and have all 620 ft of it sitting/sinking in port.

Irish_Dem

(79,421 posts)
60. Right, did the ship even get towed. Or did it sink on the spot.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:57 PM
Apr 2022

Yep Russians lie all the time.

mahatmakanejeeves

(68,041 posts)
4. I hope everyone still on board was evacuated safely. As for the ship, Russian can build another one.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:19 PM
Apr 2022

I guess this is going to catch someone's attention. I mean, in the Russian navy.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
10. My empathy for the Russian army / navy is nil
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:24 PM
Apr 2022

Seeing what atrocities they have engaged in, I no longer have any sympathy or empathy for them.

They get what they get.

AllyCat

(18,467 posts)
43. I get it, but they could have refused to do the things they did.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:04 PM
Apr 2022

They engaged in war crimes and atrocities. Karma.

Codifer

(1,142 posts)
56. One may always
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:52 PM
Apr 2022

refuse to carry out an unlawful order.

But that is not to say that those giving the unlawful order or those willing to partake in rape and murder (Mai Lai) won't make your life very uncomfortable if you tell on them (Winter Soldier).

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
28. Who, the murderers?
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:37 PM
Apr 2022

The scum onboard are the ones who fired the missiles at civilians.
More, please - crew included.

Crunchy Frog

(28,211 posts)
41. If they survived they'll just be redeployed to kill more Ukrainians.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:58 PM
Apr 2022

I know it's cold, but I'm hoping for maximal loss.

Bev54

(13,156 posts)
5. Yes I read it on the Ukraine webcam site, just couldn't confirm
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:20 PM
Apr 2022

The memes have already started, I just can't copy them from the site.

Botany

(76,261 posts)
9. "The wasrship sunk under tow."
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:22 PM
Apr 2022

A Russian warship that was damaged by an explosion on Wednesday has sunk, Russia's defence ministry has said.

Moskva, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet, was being towed to port when "stormy seas" caused it to sink, according to a ministry message.

The 510-crew vessel was an important symbolic and military target, and has led Russia's naval assault on Ukraine.

Ukraine claims it struck the warship with its missiles, but Russia has made no mention of an attack.

?20220320113737

That ship launched the hypersonic missile that did this to Mariupol.

Botany

(76,261 posts)
42. Also it made sending rescue ships and men out much more difficult
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:00 PM
Apr 2022

Sorry, I hope scads of them died and those that lived go home and tell the truth to their
countrymen.

Jerry2144

(3,167 posts)
11. It didn't sink
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:25 PM
Apr 2022

It’s the new convertible class of cruiser. It can become a submarine so stealthy that no one can track it underwater.

Let’s hope this is Metaphor for how this war will end. That Ukraine frees themselves and liberates Russia.

lastlib

(27,433 posts)
75. Like the cartoon said--
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:47 PM
Apr 2022

"Heroic Russian Cruiser Moskva Promoted To Submarine."

(Russian newspaper headline)

Buns_of_Fire

(18,983 posts)
21. Someone needs to send Pootie a wrapped fish.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:34 PM
Apr 2022

"What does that mean?"
"It means Moskva sleeps with the fishes."

With any luck, Pootie has seen The Godfather.

justhanginon

(3,377 posts)
23. If I could quit deleriously clapping my hands, I would say, that's a damn shame.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:35 PM
Apr 2022

And then think about what must be Putin's rage and laugh and laugh and laugh. Kudos to the Ukrainians!

BootinUp

(50,813 posts)
29. I'll bet Vlad threatened the shit
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:38 PM
Apr 2022

Out of the sailors trying to save it. Something like don’t bother to return to your old home.

Irish_Dem

(79,421 posts)
33. Russia typically blames the troops when anything goes wrong.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:42 PM
Apr 2022

Jails them or takes away their house and salary.

heckles65

(630 posts)
34. This blows my mind
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:42 PM
Apr 2022

I remember reading about it while serving in the Cold War era U.S. military. I thought it was a very impressive vessel. The poster-ship for the 1970's Soviet naval expansion.

Crunchy Frog

(28,211 posts)
37. From RIA Novosti.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:51 PM
Apr 2022

?s=20&t=iJcgZ9SVnQJqmYAHdDXrOA

Translation: The Ministry of Defense announced that the cruiser "Moskva" sank.

I've been waiting with baited breath for this confirmation.

Bird Lady

(1,996 posts)
38. I don't think we are getting the whole story.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:52 PM
Apr 2022

I believe Russia purposely sank the ship to keep it out of others hands. Protecting any secrets on the ship.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
40. And meanwhile in my area, Buffalo, NY, the USS The Sullivans is sinking right now
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 03:57 PM
Apr 2022

They are trying hard to right her. She's in shallow water so hopefully they will be able to get her back up.




It's kind of creepy that in a few hours, it will be the 110th anniversary of the Titanic sinking. I just watched The Perfect Storm on HBO Max last night so I was thinking about ships when I woke up.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
51. I'm not sure, she's been at the Buffalo Naval Park since 1977. My parents took me to see her when I
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:30 PM
Apr 2022

was young and I took my children there many times as both my sons were into ships. I got severely claustrophobic while touring her, but it was fascinating. The Little Rock, a much bigger ship, is there too.

Apparently her stern started taking in water earlier today. Sad to see this happening.

Stinky The Clown

(68,914 posts)
66. Awww, damn! That is a huge shame.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:10 PM
Apr 2022

I wonder how many even know who The Sullivans are any more.

I am glad that the Navy kept the name for an Arleigh class DDG, but DD537 is historically import for those it commemorates.

LAS14

(15,454 posts)
44. I don't know much about these things, but for a ship to sink, there needs to be ....
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:04 PM
Apr 2022

... a hole in it, right? A pretty big hole if the ship is big. How does a fire cause a hole in a metal ship? Now, a missile, yeah.

Does anyone have factual info?

tia
las

Crunchy Frog

(28,211 posts)
54. It was apparently hit by a couple of Ukrainian Neptune missiles.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:49 PM
Apr 2022

That led to a fire and munitions explosion, and eventual sinking in the stormy seas.

It was likely the munitions explosion that caused the worst damage.

LAS14

(15,454 posts)
58. I was thinking of the Russian version, which said it was just a fire. But...
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:55 PM
Apr 2022

... I guess if munitions exploded... I'm not saying I believe the Russians. I was just trying to figure out if their story was as stupid as it seemed.

NutmegYankee

(16,454 posts)
71. Fire weakens the steel frames, causing buckling.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

Buckling can rupture hull plating. There is also the possibility the explosions from the missile or the ammunition cooking off on the ship could have damaged watertight integrity. If no one is aboard to maintain pumps and damage control, Glug Glug Glug.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,765 posts)
50. Putin should rethink buying his used ships from Trump Boats of Florida, Inc.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:30 PM
Apr 2022

.......

Let's hope this is not an environmental disaster for the Black Sea.

Starfury

(856 posts)
57. Russia just lost their biggest air defense asset in the South.
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 04:54 PM
Apr 2022

Russia depended on having the Moskva provide long-range air and missile defense for much of Crimea and Southern Ukraine. This is going to change conditions on the ground. I think we'll start seeing the UAF be more active all along the coastal regions.

sarisataka

(22,203 posts)
67. I believe this is the largest ship sunk in combat since World War II
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:11 PM
Apr 2022

It was a bit bigger overall than the Argentine General Belgrano although the Belgrano displaced a few hundred more tons

jmbar2

(7,545 posts)
74. Good news, but I worry about environmental damage
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 05:47 PM
Apr 2022

I hope it can be contained. I doubt the Russians will be too motivated to do so.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
77. I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Around 150 ships of this size or larger
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 06:35 PM
Apr 2022

were sunk in WW2, not to mention 10,000 or so smaller ones. One more won’t make much of a difference.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
76. I read that a Turkish vessel rescued 54 Russian sailors last night
Thu Apr 14, 2022, 06:20 PM
Apr 2022

The Moskva has a crew of 500+ - this is a huge disaster for the Russian military.

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