We Should Have Pitchforks In The Streets.

[gab13by13]

I had to sigh reading a thread here last night about the Meadows, Lee, Roy, texts back and forth. Posters here were saying, basically, nothing to see, not enough to indict.

For fuck's sake folks, he have evidence of the GQP, the president, and his lawyers, working to overturn the results of a certified, democratic election.

I guarantee everyone, if these people had been Democrats the Magats would have pitchforks in the streets.

Don't blame the MSM, everyone should know it is owned and managed by the right. If people were in the streets with pitchforks the MSM would cover it.

No wonder our country is headed for autocracy.

Don't expect Merrick Garland to save the day, Mike Lee wanted Trump to replace Comey with Merrick Garland. Imagine that.

[Emile]

1. At this point I don't look for Trump being arrested. We are suppose

to be happy watching the DOJ prosecute toothless ignorant redneck magats and be satisfied as though justice was served! I don't see this approach as being helpful for the Democratic party in the midterm elections.

[Botany]

2. Why are these people still in the House or Senate? Un-American shits.

Link to tweet

BTW Merrick Garland is gonna let the statute of limitations run out on the Mueller
Report that had 10 solid cases of obstruction of justices in it along w/God only
knows what else.

[Tickle]

4. Why didn't mueller

press charges?

[Botany]

5. Because Bill Barr stopped him with his made up rule, "That you can't indict a sitting President."

However when giving his Congressional testimony Mueller said that Trump would be open to
prosecution when he was no longer President.

BTW everyone of those obstruction charges had to do with links between Trump and Vlad/Russia.

[kentuck]

3. I do not think that Mike Lee endorsing Merrick Garland for FBI Director...

...is necessarily a tell-all about Garland.

But I understand your frustration with those folks that never see enough to indict and seem to have given up hope that anything will ever happen.

Also, I think some people are just now looking for their pitchforks.

[gab13by13]

7. Kentuck, remember a DUer, Starfishsaver?

He/she claimed to be a Constitutional scholar. I disagreed a lot with Starfishsaver, but he/she was right about one thing, the 1/6 session of Congress to count the Electoral college votes was just a formality, the election had already been certified by the states.

With that thought in mind, what Trump, Lee, Roy, Meadows, Trump's lawyers were doing, scheming to overturn the election was illegal, was against the Constitution.

The Putin party realizes that mistake, the next time they will overturn the results of elections at the state level before the votes are certified. Not one of the coup planners has been held accountable, 1/6 was just practice for the next election.

[smirkymonkey]

12. +1000

[kentuck]

17. I remember that poster.

He/She attacked every post I made.

I agree that they were trying to overturn the election. It became "illegal", in my opinion, when they conspired to send alternative (fake) electors from a few selected states, in order to take away the majority of electoral votes from Joe Biden and send it back to the Republican legislatures.

Also, it is true that none of them has been held accountable at this point. But we should keep in mind the "balance of powers" in our Constitution. Either Branch of government can investigate the other but it becomes a sticky wicket when they begin to investigate themselves. The Legislative can investigate the Executive or the Judicial. The Executive can prosecute the Legislative or the Judicial. The Judicial can rule on the legality of either the Executive or the Legislative Branch. The "balance of powers" is important to keep in mind in this investigation, in my opinion.

[Scrivener7]

45. She was a troll.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181582714

[gab13by13]

50. Wow, I missed the explanation.

I'm sure that more than I wondered about her. She was right about the session to count the Electoral votes supposed to be just a formality. I remember arguing with her about that. If Mike Pence played the game Trump may still be president.

[jaxexpat]

49. You forget to mention the MIC branch, the democracy kryptonite.

[FailureToCommunicate]

6. My pitch fork is sharpened, and my torch leans by the door

ready to light and march towards the monster(s).

[sop]

31. The first sign of an angry populace carrying torches and pitchforks, marching through the streets

demanding the rule of law be enforced equally for these monsters, I'm joining in.

[RaDaR63]

59. My local Lowe's doesn't have any pitch forks

I guess I'll have to order some. Will those citronella patio torches work, or do I need something better?

[FailureToCommunicate]

69. Welcome to DU!

I imagine you are in jest, but, if not...

Your local Tractor Supply or Farmers Union likely have pitch forks.

And sure, oil patio torches are okay, they just absolutely must be metal, not the cheapo bamboo kind.

[Duppers]

8. Yes, "imagine that"!

And, last week on MSNBC, Elie Mystal called Mueller...."an appeasement monkey." He could have added Comey and Garland.

Seems as if no one in power really wants justice done.

[gab13by13]

16. Mueller was given a narrow range to operate in by Barr,

Mueller believed that DOJ was following the money.

Mueller indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 companies.

Mueller laid out the evidence to indict Trump for the Stormy Daniel's payoff. (individual one)
Mueller laid out the evidence to indict Trump on numerous obstruction of justice crimes.

For those of you who say that Mueller should have indicted Trump, the first thing that Trump would have done was bring up the DOJ memo that one can't indict a sitting president and that issue would have been decided by a right wing partisan Supreme Court.

[90-percent]

58. stealing

"Seems as if no one in power really wants justice done"



for my FB Wall. Hope it doesn't violate FB's so called "community standards"


-90% Jimmy

[Duppers]

68. Great!

I don't think it violates any community standards and I'm actually flattered.

TY!
-dups

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. That is very fine rhetoric

Are YOU in the streets with your pitchfork? 99.9% of the people are too busy attempting to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table to be marching.
Not saying we shouldn't be, but I am saying that we wont be.

[gab13by13]

11. "Pitchforks in the streets" is a metaphor.

Don't you like to use metaphors? I used the term because people here were blowing off the Lee, Meadows, Roy, texts yesterday.

Lee, Roy, Meadows, Trump, and numerous lawyers spent a month scheming how to overturn a certified election. That pizzed me off, members of the GQP worked with the coup planners, they were members of the coup planners, if we can't even say that, admit that on DU, there is no way we are going to march on the streets.

Congressional GQP members were a part of the coup attempt and that is a BFD.

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. I am just as angry if not more so than most.

And if by "pitchforks in the streets" you mean "call your elected officials" at every chance, I am right there with you.

[gab13by13]

35. My Congress critter drinks oil and breathes methane, Glenn Thompson,

that's all he does. I live among the Magats. I am donating to John Fetterman, I can't wait to vote for him.

Over the years I have done more than just call. Jack Murtha was my Rep. and a group of us went to DC to meet with him about voting against a bill. He took us in a conference room and asked every one of us why he should vote against the bill. He then said the bill wouldn't make it out of committee and gave us all a tour of the House floor.

Times have changed with our Reps, you rarely get to speak with them unless you have a wad of cash in your hand.

Murtha would have been a great House whip for Nancy Pelosi being a Marine veteran and an opponent of the Iraq war. They killed him doing a routine gall bladder operation, nicked an artery.

[867-5309.]

62. Then, in a literal sense, what are you calling for?

People to be angry? They are. Supporting and voting for the right people? They are. Congress to pursue it? They are.

The folks down in the weeds aren't responsible for Garland and others apparently not getting anything done on this.

[Magoo48]

47. No argument, but,

no matter how busy we all are, or how weary, or haggered; if we don’t make time for direct action in support of the remnants of our Democracy, we will have no Democracy left to support.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. What seems clear frequently does not rise to "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Cases are won on specifics.

Cases are not won because somebody wrote “We must urge the President to tone down the rhetoric, and approach the legal challenge firmly, intelligently and effectively without resorting to throwing wild desperate haymakers, or whipping his base into a conspiracy frenzy,” (Nov 9).

Not even "Everything changes, of course, if the swing states submit competing slates of electors pursuant to state law."

[gab13by13]

13. This isn't just about winning cases in court, that's up to Garland.

I am talking about, we have evidence that Congressional members of the GQP were working for at least a month, scheming to overturn a verified, certified election. We have evidence that Hawley and Cruz were part of the scheme, and they in fact played out their part on 1/6.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Exactly. YOU don't have to win the case so you are free to say things that don't win cases. . . nt

[gab13by13]

18. Whatever

conspiring to overturn a certified election is seditious conspiracy, and you can't stop me from talking about it or feeling that way.

Pawns have already been convicted of that, it's time to convict the inner circle.

Hopefully this is the reason for the delay in the Meadows criminal complaint. We have the communications between members of Congress and Meadows, now DOJ needs to get the communications between Meadows and Trump and then DOJ can prove criminal intent. That can only be accomplished if DOJ is doing an investigation.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

67. :eyes: Gosh, I never said you couldn't say it! :eyes:

[Demsrule86]

64. That is exactly right...knowing and proving are two very different things.

[gab13by13]

14. I'm sorry but,

everyone talks about Democrats speaking out, campaigning more. Every Congressional Democrat should be calling out these texts as an attempt to overthrow our democracy. If Democrats need fodder for the campaign, here it is, use it. We want the 2022 election to be a choice between democracy and autocracy and these texts give Democrats the opportunity to push that narrative, because it is true.

The GQP wants to end our democracy, these texts prove it, Democrats need to push this, that's what I mean by pitchforks in the streets.

[Emile]

19. +1 Spot On!

Beyond the 1/6 committee, I like to see all our members screaming from the rooftops about this!

[Ohio Joe]

20. There are a lot of things people should be calling out that are ignored...

"The GQP wants to end our democracy, these texts prove it, Democrats need to push this, that's what I mean by pitchforks in the streets."

I agree but the fact is, people even here do little besides poo-poo or ignore efforts being made to bring the ring-leaders to justice. In your own OP, you insinuate that Garland is a plant of some kind working to cover up the crimes yet you refuse to address what he is in fact doing... I'll cut-n-paste it here yet again and I'll bet you once again refuse to address the substance of what is being done but lets try anyway:

In regard to TFG, 1/6 and Garland... I have some hope here and I have a bit of a hard time understanding why so many have completely given up. I've put this out before and not gotten a real answer. I get the feeling I'm thought of as delusional or overly hopeful... Sometimes worse. I like to think I'm looking at the facts of what has happened and what is happening... Let review.

Garland could have spent four years going after the low level thugs at the Capitol, had a bunch of show trials and called it a career. This was what I feared most at first.

But... He did not stop there.

He went after and caught the next level up and now has 12, including 2 not at the Capitol, charged with seditious conspiracy. Again, he could have stopped there... Had the trials and called it a career. At this point, he probably would have even been made to look as if he had gone above and beyond. A lot of people never expected the investigation to go that far.

But... Again, he did not stop there.

He flipped at least one of the seditious conspirators (that we know of) and in the agreement said he plans to use him in the Grand Jury (we'll get to that). He could have stopped there, not wanted him in a Grand Jury, and had the show trials doubly nailing the 12 in even bigger fashion and bigger TV clip drama with one of them on the stand pointing the finger.

But... Still he did not stop there.

He convened a Grand Jury. You do not do that unless you plan to go higher... And any higher is TFG's inner circle, in this case (with the flipper being Josua James) that mean Roger Stone. The same Roger Stone that currently is having a fairly public falling out with maga world. We also know that at this point there are at least eight of TFG's inner circle under investigation... They are:

TOM BARRACK
RUDY GIULIANI
ROBERT COSTELLO
SIDNEY POWELL
MARK MEADOWS
ALEX JONES
ROGER STONE
ERIK PRINCE

For more on Grand Juries for 1/6, see here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216589606#post12

We also know what is needed... What is nice to have... What is known to be had... What is still needed... And how what is needed might be gotten to go directly after TFG, see this previous post of mine:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216561245

So... Where and when do you think Garland stops? Does he throw the Grand Jury to let them off? What if they indict? My suspicion is that this Grand Jury is just to go after the inner circle and not TFG yet... I think that for a reason... He has gone after this from day 1 as though it were a mob case, it certainly appears to me to be a text book mob case. Once he has indictments against the inner circle, you have a different set of defendants than any before... Older men who tried for a coup and failed... Older men now facing dying in jail going up against someone they know has them nailed.

I've heard some think that these guys will stay loyal and take the fall with the hopes of getting a pardon once TFG (or some other repug) takes office. I don't believe this... The reason I don't believe it is that they know much evidence will come out before mid-terms. Not in the dry manner of the Mueller report (though there will be a written report of everything) but the 1/4 committee also plans lots of nice ready for prime time viewing video clips to go along with the report... A wicked smart move. I am also very hopeful of indictments of at least some of the inner circle before the mid-terms... Together, I think this allows us to keep both houses... Perhaps even get some gains if the batshit crazy wing of the repugs keeps getting crazier. I fully expect some of this inner circle will see the writing on the wall and realize that there will be no pardons coming there way and that many of them will want to flip... Though I hope few are given the opportunity to leave jail alive.

The last two paragraphs are speculation on my part but I base it on what has happened, what we know and where we are today. I get the frustration of wanting TFG in cuffs already because we all know what the fuck he did... But knowing and proving things in a court of law are two different things and I sincerely believe that going for the biggest fish before the solid foundation of the mob case is built would only lead to him getting off... And that would certainly spell disaster... IMO a far bigger disaster then if the investigation does not convict him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216566741#post37

Here is another thread on another way Garland is going at TFG's crimes:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216597309

But please, tell us all about how he is a plant because he has not wrapped everything up in a year.

[gab13by13]

25. How many people has Garland prosecuted

who weren't present at the 1/6 insurrection? 1 the leader of the Oaf Freepers who left all kinds of self-incriminating evidence on line.

I don't know about Garland being a plant or not but I know this; how many GQP Senators voted for Justice Jackson, the most qualified SC justice we have had in decades? 3.

Why did 10 GQP Senators vote for Merrick Garland to be AG? Why was Ron Johnson one of them? That may well be a record number of GQP Senators to have voted for a Biden nominee. I don't know about a plant, but this gives me pause.

[Ohio Joe]

32. So... Yeah, you will ignore what has happened and is going on...

Just to make insinuations about Garland.

"How many people has Garland prosecuted who weren't present at the 1/6 insurrection? 1 the leader of the Oaf Freepers who left all kinds of self-incriminating evidence on line."

Currently the number is two, not one. Which may seem like little difference but if you addressed what I posted above, you would see that it is not... But you keep ignoring facts for insinuation. Instead of having your pitchfork out for those that committed the crimes, you only have it out for Garland.

[gab13by13]

38. Garland already has a record you know?

He failed to prosecute Trump for campaign finance violations, (individual one) The statute of limitations has expired.
He failed to prosecute Trump for the numerous obstruction of justice cases that Mueller laid out for him.
He failed to prosecute the pro-Trump, fake company, Cyber Ninjas who violated federal election laws, Title 52 when ballots, voter information, and election equipment and materials were no longer in the possession of election officials. It took a citizens group and local media organization to file a FOIA against the Cyber Ninjas to release documents. The Cyber Ninjas have refused a judges order to release the documents because the Cyber Ninjas was a fake company with a mailbox for an office. They still have not been held accountable. By not prosecuting the Cyber Ninjas, Garland allowed them to foster the Big Lie and fraudits spread to other states, even having people go door to door looking for voter fraud. All of that was caused by not stopping the Cyber Ninjas.

[Ohio Joe]

48. Sheesh... Same old nonsense...

How many times you going to bring this stuff up only to have it shot down? Maybe you’ll have a reply this time…

The campaign finance bit requires a witness and the only witness is Cohen, who lied to congress on the same issue. One liars word is not enough for a conviction, just a failed prosecution. Why do you want a failed prosecution?

As for the ninjas, they were legally hired by the state, the only federal issue they thought to run afoul of was going door to door to ask people how they voted and that was stopped by DOJ. Everything else is state that the repugs refuse to go after but… You want to blame DOJ for not making up a federal crime and failing another prosecution… That is two prosecutions you want them to fail at… Why?

And you are still ignoring what I posted above… why do you keep ignoring what they are doing (that can win in court) to blame them for not doing things that would fail in court?

[gab13by13]

55. Wow, are you serious?

Cohen went to jail for delivering a hush money check that was signed by Donald Trump. It doesn't get any better than that.

You are saying that is OK to allow anyone into a sealed ballot box because partisan GQP state officials request it. That is really far out.

These fraudits violate both state and federal laws. You are making me go back into the federal code and dig out the federal law that was violated, so be it. I will be back.

I just want them to investigate to determine if they can bring a case. They can't bring a case if they don't investigate.

[Ohio Joe]

57. That is simply not true...

"Cohen went to jail for delivering a hush money check that was signed by Donald Trump. It doesn't get any better than that."

Simply not true. Cohen paid out of his own pocket. TFG gave him a reimbursement payment that he claims he did not know what it was for... And there are no records to say otherwise. It comes down to Cohen on the stand... Who has lied in the case before, saying TFG knew what it was for. TFG does not even take the stand. The defense rips Cohen apart and the case loses.

"You are saying that is OK to allow anyone into a sealed ballot box because partisan GQP state officials request it. That is really far out."

Not one bit what I said... But you know that. I said, the state hired them so yes, they can legally do the audit.

"These fraudits violate both state and federal laws. You are making me go back into the federal code and dig out the federal law that was violated, so be it. I will be back"

ok... I'll wait. But do me a favor... Bring back a federal law they actually broke and not one you are thinking they broke when it was not something they actually did.

"I just want them to investigate to determine if they can bring a case. They can't bring a case if they don't investigate."

There is evidence they did keep an eye on what was going on... Proven by them stopping them from violating federal law before they even did so... You have evidence to the contrary? Lets see it.

Annnnnnnd still you are ignoring everything DOJ has done and is doing in favor of them bring cases that will fail in court. Still not going to say why much less actually address them?

[Emile]

53. +1 Lock Him Up!

[BumRushDaShow]

39. "How many people has Garland prosecuted who weren't present at the 1/6 insurrection?"

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-proud-boys-indicted-federal-court-conspiracy-and-other-offenses-related-us-capitol

The United States Department of Justice
District of Columbia

Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
District of Columbia

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, March 8, 2022

Leader of Proud Boys Indicted in Federal Court for Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
Five Others Facing Charges in Case

WASHINGTON – Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys, was arrested today following his indictment on conspiracy and other charges related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, was arrested in Miami and is to make his initial appearance today in the Southern District of Florida. He was named in a superseding indictment returned Monday in the District of Columbia that also includes five previously charged defendants.

Others named in the superseding indictment include Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 36, of Philadelphia; Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York. All previously were detained. They earlier pleaded not guilty to charges.

According to court documents, the Proud Boys describes itself as a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Through at least Jan. 6, 2021, Tarrio was the national chairman of the organization. In mid-December, Tarrio created a special chapter of the Proud Boys known as the “Ministry of Self Defense.”

As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense, conspired to corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, the certification of the Electoral College vote. On Jan. 6, the defendants directed, mobilized, and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, and assaults on law enforcement.

Although Tarrio is not accused of physically taking part in the breach of the Capitol, the indictment alleges that he led the advance planning and remained in contact with other members of the Proud Boys during their breach of the Capitol. Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, on a warrant charging him in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia with destruction of property in the Dec. 12, 2020, burning of a Black Lives Matter banner. He was released at approximately 5 p.m. on Jan. 5, 2021. As a condition of his release, he was ordered by the Court to stay out of Washington.

The indictment alleges that Tarrio nonetheless continued to direct and encourage the Proud Boys prior to and during the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and that he claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room during and after the attack.

Tarrio was indicted on one count of each conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and obstruction of an official proceeding, as well as two counts each of assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers and destruction of government property.

This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Valuable assistance was provided by U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of Florida.

The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington and Miami Field Offices. The charges in the investigation are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices, and law enforcement agencies.

In the 14 months since Jan. 6, more than 775 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 245 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.

Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.

An indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.


Attachment(s):
Download Tarrio et al Indictment
Topic(s):
Violent Crime
Component(s):
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
National Security Division (NSD)
USAO - District of Columbia
USAO - Florida, Southern
Press Release Number:
22-58
Updated March 8, 2022

Tarrio "wasn't there" at the time but was charged with directing the actions of others.

Enrique Tarrio, longtime Proud Boys leader, pleads not guilty in Jan. 6 riot

By Tom Jackman
April 5, 2022 at 3:49 p.m. EDT


Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, a longtime national chairman of the far-right group the Proud Boys, pleaded not guilty Tuesday to seven federal counts that accuse him of organizing an assault on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s presidential victory.

Tarrio had been arrested Jan. 4, 2021, for vandalizing a D.C. church in December, and was ordered to stay out of the city, and so was not at the Capitol during the riot two days later. But an indictment unsealed last month alleged that he was deeply involved in recruiting members of the group and directing their actions before Jan. 6. Five other Proud Boys also are charged in that indictment. All six have been ordered detained until trial.

(snip)

A trial set for May was continued by U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly, at the prosecution’s request. Prosecutors agreed to provide all pretrial discovery by June 17. Another hearing was set for April 21 to discuss a trial date, since some of the lawyers have other trials already scheduled.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/05/tarrio-pleads-not-guilty/

Next hearing is next week (4/21/22) with trial tentatively set for May.

The Oathkeepers fiasco - particular those involved with Stone, are another set - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-siege-new-york-roger-stone-riots-b99cb89e867aa891dffbb3bf3afbd041

Here is DOJ's current set of cases - https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases (original link is alphabetical but the table can be sorted various ways)

Sort view by the most recent entries - https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=&order=changed&sort=desc

[McKim]

37. Great Comment!

Great comment, let's all get on message!!!!

[Demsrule86]

65. And if we do that we lose the midterms...people want it to be about them. And many have moved

on those who agree with us already agree with us...run on an issue that folks care about in their state or district.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. They will do it again if we don't establish accountability.

In my local area I have heard since the nineties that the US is not a democracy. It's a Republic. And it's the electorate that votes for the president, not the people.

They were going to abuse that understanding on 1/6, and their people wouldn't have seen anything wrong with it, because they have been planting that seed in their heads since the nineties.

[gab13by13]

27. Yes they have,

When I added the word "democratic" Constitutional Republic it upset them .

[Scrivener7]

46. The next guy will be much smarter.

[OhioTim]

22. If Garland Was Moving Any Slower

he'd be asleep.

[kentuck]

26. This is such a huge and vital investigation for our country...

I believe that Garland wants all the information out to the public before he proceeds with his investigation and indictments. The people of the country have to understand exactly why he is prosecuting people and what for?

I think he will wait until the Committee's public hearings are over before he begins the serious part of his prosecutions. In my opinion, that is what he is waiting for.

We can all agree that he does not have to wait on the J6 Committee. Even Adam Schiff has said the same.

But, we cannot know for sure until the public hearings are finished.

[spanone]

23. ...K&R...

[FreepFryer]

24. Angry mobs marching thru the streets with weapons to save civil society seems oxymoronic. nt

[gab13by13]

29. Ignoring the attempted coup,

by not holding anyone accountable is moronic.

[Chainfire]

44. Tell that to the angry mobs at Lexington and Concord.

Our country was founded by people with real pitchforks in the streets. It may be the only thing that will save it. At some point people people will be forced to make a binary decision; Am I going to be a hammer or a nail?

As Democrats, we pride ourselves in taking the moral high ground and because of that we losing our ability to affect the direction of the country. Every day we move closer to Fascism yet we still want to play nice. In the end we will get what we deserve.

[Demsrule86]

66. In a midterm year it would be a very foolish thing to do.

[Evolve Dammit]

30. Dang. I gave away my pitchfork to a young couple that bought a farm. I do have plenty of implements

of destruction" though....Alices Restaurant. Seriously though, we really are in a civil war for the soul of this country. And I agree, the efforts at the state level will be ready next time. States have passed enough laws and gerrymandered the piss out of it (FL for example) that "fair and free" elections will seem quaint. Really, really hope that's wrong but too many GOP states are jumping in passing laws. They really are going against the Constitution. And when Bush called it a "goddamm piece of paper twenty years ago, I knew the GOP and their "unitary executive" spelled trouble for the U.S of A. When two elections were won by Dems via popular vote and one stopped by SCOTUS and the other with more electoral votes for the Orange "Chosen One" with his Russian assistance, this has been decades in the making.

[Novara]

33. "Don't blame the MSM, everyone should know it is owned and managed by the right."

No, not everyone knows this. And there are far too many people who simply absorb what they are being told and don't question it. I'd say MOST people in this country don't have solid critical thinking skills - why else do we have a significant set of the population believing things that are insane at face value? They just suck up what they are told, that's why.

And I don't know how to fix it. Fuck knows if I did, I'd be working my ass off to to fix the mess this country is in, in which a good segment of the population is spouting shit that would have gotten them under a psych evaluation not too many years ago.

Yes, we should be in the streets screaming about this. But we're not. And why is that? Anybody know?

[greenjar_01]

34. It's perfectly OK to hold them in Union Park

[McKim]

36. One Would Hope.....

One would hope that the MSM would cover it. However, I will never forget that almost 500,000 people were in the streets of NYC against the War on Iraq and the MSM at NBC gave it a one minute blip coverage. They are very selective at the MSM.

[gab13by13]

40. The 2 major shareholders of MSNBC, (COMCAST) are Vanguard and BlackRock

[MineralMan]

41. Just let us know where you'll be with your own pitchfork.

We'll come, too. Really. You can lead us.

[betsuni]

42. +1

[brooklynite]

43. "If people were in the streets with pitchforks the MSM would cover it. "

And organizing this mass demonstration is someone else's job?

[Paladin]

51. Fully agree with you.

As usual, Democrats are way too polite.

[dixiechiken1]

52. Wasn't this part of Steve Bannon's plan? Flood the zone with bullshit...

We've been under constant attack for at least the last 6 years, since TFG rode his fat, putrid ass down that escalator. It's been a constant barrage of flagrant lawlessness and shameless grift, day after day, month after month, year after year. It was like this during W's reign but with TFG et al, the shit's being flung at us at warp speed. Every time we think "this is it, this will be the thing that brings them down," they do something even more egregious. And even less of a stink is raised.

When TFG was "elected", we took to the streets. And he/they upped their game. They know that we all have families, jobs, responsibilities, lives, that preclude us from constantly protesting. So, they kept - and keep on - upping the ante. They've flooded the zone so much, for so long, that we've all got outrage fatigue. We're so pissed off at so many things and so many people, how the hell do you rally around anything specific when almost everything is broken? It's overwhelming. We can't protest everything so we protest nothing.

Mission accomplished.

[usonian]

56. Get your pitchforks here (ActBlue and Blue Actions)

GOTV THREAD.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216380145

An army on leave wins no wars. Who saw "The Mouse That Roared"?

Message:
Fraud
Fear
Fascism, and
"Every accusation is a confession."

Make the worrying MOOT.
Take Action.
The thugs are a minority that's dying off. Louder is not better. The hands on the wheel steer the ship.

[MineralMan]

60. I've got mine ready.

Just tell us the place, date, and time. I'll be there to follow you...

[betsuni]

61. "Magats would have pitchforks in the streets" -- only the rich ones, like January 6th.

"If people were in the streets with pitchforks the MSM would cover it" -- nope. Massive protests against the Iraq invasion, given a few seconds at most.

[Demsrule86]

63. I hear these things and I wonder...what exactly would that do?

If a case can be made for insurrection, I am sure it will be otherwise they walk. I don't like it but it is the justice system.