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NNadir

(33,541 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 09:41 AM Apr 2022

Anecdotal Evidence: The situation in Shanghai is dire, food shortages with empty streets.

Last night I had the opportunity to sit with my wife, sons and other relatives to celebrate the bunny holiday.

All three members of my immediate family work in academic situations, although my wife is kind of isolated from undergraduate students in an administrative role at an institute.

Both of my sons have, as a result of their lives in academia, Chinese friends, and we had a conversation about these friends last night.

In Shanghai, they've heard, from these friends - the official information is constrained by authoritarian government - that because of the Covid lockdown in that city, the streets are empty and there are reports that as a result, city dwellers cannot get food.

I've noticed some changes in carbon dioxide flows this spring, and I wondered about what I've been seeing. This offers a potential explanation, highly speculative, about what's going on. China is the world's largest emitter of CO2 - albeit hardly on a per capita basis, we are the worst in that regard - but a shut down of Chinese industry may have these environmental effects as well as supply chain effects, and obviously, on the lives of Chinese citizens.

I wish my fellow human beings the best.

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Anecdotal Evidence: The situation in Shanghai is dire, food shortages with empty streets. (Original Post) NNadir Apr 2022 OP
Here in Iowa no one is wearing masks now exboyfil Apr 2022 #1
Xi boasts that a dictatorship can take much more rapid, efficient actions. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #2
It is rapid and efficient. What it isn't is wise, considerate, and well thought out. NNadir Apr 2022 #3
Yup lonely bird Apr 2022 #4
Good points. Exactly. Lacks proper planning. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #5
I'm sure we could find some food to send them!!! Karadeniz Apr 2022 #6
We may need to wrap our heads around the fact that 1/3 of the world wheat supply... NNadir Apr 2022 #7
And it's even worse than that. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2022 #8

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
1. Here in Iowa no one is wearing masks now
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:15 AM
Apr 2022

I really wish there was something we could do about those authoritarian jerks in China. The secrecy was a contributing factor in the spread of Covid and keeping things secret only hurts their people and us.

Irish_Dem

(47,321 posts)
2. Xi boasts that a dictatorship can take much more rapid, efficient actions.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:44 AM
Apr 2022

Not looking that way in Shanghai.

lonely bird

(1,687 posts)
4. Yup
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 12:04 PM
Apr 2022

Efficient is not the same as effective and the best thing to do. In many instances efficient is the opposite effective and the best thing to do.

Irish_Dem

(47,321 posts)
5. Good points. Exactly. Lacks proper planning.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 12:08 PM
Apr 2022

Beijing doesn't typically care about the human factor.
Consideration for their people is not a priority.

Their actions are having diminishing returns. Forcing people into long covid test lines resulted in people contracting covid.

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
7. We may need to wrap our heads around the fact that 1/3 of the world wheat supply...
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 04:39 PM
Apr 2022

...comes from Ukraine and Russia.

Wheat Production by Country, 2021

In the age of Covid, food security is a very real issue.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
8. And it's even worse than that.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:39 PM
Apr 2022

There has already been a mild but real worldwide fertilizer shortage, and China has criminalized export of same.

The world may be in for a few bad years ahead.

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