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albacore

(2,398 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 12:26 PM Apr 2022

The future of abortion...

Some seemingly unrelated facts tell us where this is headed.

Idaho borders Washington state. During the pandemic, deep red Idaho did nothing to mitigate the effects of Covid. Their Covid death rate was 75% higher than Washington's, and Washington hospitals were jammed with Idaho Covid patients.

Now, 45% of new patients at Planned Parenthood in one Washington town near the Idaho border are from Idaho. Planned Parenthood is opening new clinics along the border in Washington. PP in Washington is going to be slammed with Idaho patients.

In the states around Texas, new patients from Texas at abortion clinics have increased 800%.

Two countries... One free... the other a kind of "Handmaid's Tale" dystopia.

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The future of abortion... (Original Post) albacore Apr 2022 OP
I'm guessing that medication-induced abortions will be even more common. erronis Apr 2022 #1
Well, Kentucky banned abortion medication by mail Marius25 Apr 2022 #2
Without Searching The Mail, There's No Way To Enforce It. GB_RN Apr 2022 #11
You would think that, but the pro-forced-birth fanatics have thought of that... albacore Apr 2022 #5
Doctors can prescribe for off-label uses. keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #20
You're just not thinking jmowreader Apr 2022 #6
Emasculation would be even better..............NC DENVERPOPS Apr 2022 #14
They have become so in Texas Old Crank Apr 2022 #22
If Republicans were to win 2024 and keep Congress Marius25 Apr 2022 #3
Oh, but that's just the start! jmowreader Apr 2022 #8
Happy expat here, as r most of our friends childfreebychoice Apr 2022 #18
I'm jealous. I want to leave the US, but Israel is my only option. Marius25 Apr 2022 #28
sorry Skittles Apr 2022 #31
I wish I could move to somewhere like Germany. Marius25 Apr 2022 #27
But luckily, they will make it very easy to obtain a gun. DemocraticPatriot Apr 2022 #33
Strangely enough... jmowreader Apr 2022 #34
More women in red states will vote against Republicans over this. Not all, but more. ancianita Apr 2022 #9
People Have A Bad Habit Of Voting Against Their Own Self-Interests... GB_RN Apr 2022 #12
I had a boss that used to say "the masses are asses" which I littlemissmartypants Apr 2022 #21
Judging By The Outbreak Of "Kens" and "Karens" GB_RN Apr 2022 #25
Illinois made sure to increase the number of clinics murielm99 Apr 2022 #4
The problem with Texas is, it's enormous NickB79 Apr 2022 #7
Or the ability to get time off from work... even if they had the money. albacore Apr 2022 #13
It has been reported that a Major clinic/hospital in Illinois? DENVERPOPS Apr 2022 #16
The Oregon Legislature approved funding to support border clinics. Thunderbeast Apr 2022 #10
Money is needed to travel outside states for abortion, many women are hard pressed to even come up childfreebychoice Apr 2022 #15
Another serious issue, many med schools are no longer teaching abortion skills skills childfreebychoice Apr 2022 #17
This also affects women who need simple D&C's hamsterjill Apr 2022 #30
Return to the states DownriverDem Apr 2022 #19
The red states will be setting up Old Crank Apr 2022 #23
Repukes will still refuse food, housing and healthcare to mothers! The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #24
I thought the Supreme Court ruled that abortion was legal and that it was settled law. world wide wally Apr 2022 #26
They're hoping that SCOTUS Mad_Machine76 Apr 2022 #36
It's just weird to me how different two neighboring states can be Buckeyeblue Apr 2022 #29
Question: So how will our republic reconcile such a stark difference between the states? roamer65 Apr 2022 #32
You know the funniest part of Horsey's cartoon jmowreader Apr 2022 #35
Missouri is trying to make that 'border crossing' illegal. Volaris Apr 2022 #37

erronis

(15,181 posts)
1. I'm guessing that medication-induced abortions will be even more common.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 01:50 PM
Apr 2022

I don't know how the backwards states will prevent this except through fear of punishment if caught.

The real solution is to sterilize all men who won't give women the right to determine their own health. For legislators, I'd suggest castration.

GB_RN

(2,334 posts)
11. Without Searching The Mail, There's No Way To Enforce It.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:49 PM
Apr 2022

And since searching someone's mail without a warrant is a federal crime, I hope the bastards are dumb enough to try it. No federal judge is going to authorize a warrant for a measly state crime.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
5. You would think that, but the pro-forced-birth fanatics have thought of that...
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:13 PM
Apr 2022

if young women think they can count on the abortion pills... mifepristone & misoprostol, they should know the forced-birth people are coming at those drugs full-blast.
Texas already had the most restrictive abortion laws in the U.S. — and they just got tougher. Recently, a new law took effect that adds penalties of jail time and a fine of up to $10,000 for anyone who prescribes pills for medication abortions through telehealth or the mail.

keithbvadu2

(36,655 posts)
20. Doctors can prescribe for off-label uses.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:16 PM
Apr 2022

Doctors can prescribe for off-label uses.

Off-label prescribing is when a physician gives you a drug that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved to treat a condition different than your condition. This practice is legal and common. In fact, one in five prescriptions written today are for off-label use.

Maybe like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=prescribe+medications+off-label

Just be sure to mention side effects.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
3. If Republicans were to win 2024 and keep Congress
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:11 PM
Apr 2022

Abortion could be banned nationwide.

That's the terrifying reality we may be looking at.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
8. Oh, but that's just the start!
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:28 PM
Apr 2022

They will also ban contraception, same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, putting children up for adoption, any kind of sex except penis-in-vagina to include masturbation, LGBT, and anything else that violates the tenets of the most extreme Christian sects. Oh yeah…since the book they like to beat people over the head with says slavery is fine, expect that to make a comeback but this time it won’t just be black people who get to be enslaved.

Fortunately for me I’ve got a house that’s worth enough to give me seed money to move to Germany if those assholes go full fascist.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,306 posts)
33. But luckily, they will make it very easy to obtain a gun.
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 03:22 AM
Apr 2022

The time may come, when their "2nd Amendment solution" will be turned against them...


And rightfully so, if they are able to make good on their other fantasies...

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
34. Strangely enough...
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:27 PM
Apr 2022

If they get extreme enough they’ll probably come up with a lie that will result in collecting the guns…and those asshats will joyfully hand them over.

GB_RN

(2,334 posts)
12. People Have A Bad Habit Of Voting Against Their Own Self-Interests...
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:55 PM
Apr 2022

Look at how many women voted against Hillary and FOR the Mango Menace in 2016 for example. And that was despite (or in spite) of all the evidence of Dolt45's crimes of harassment, rape, misogyny, promises to nominate anti-choice judges, etc.

Referring to the American public, H.L. Mencken once said:

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.”

It's still quite applicable today.

littlemissmartypants

(22,568 posts)
21. I had a boss that used to say "the masses are asses" which I
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:22 PM
Apr 2022

surmised meant most of the population is mainly idiots. That seems to have been the way he meant it based on the context.

GB_RN

(2,334 posts)
25. Judging By The Outbreak Of "Kens" and "Karens"
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:40 PM
Apr 2022

Since Dolt45 took his infamous walk down that escalator to announce his candidacy, I’d say it could also mean the “masses are assholes”.

Either way, it fits the GOPQ base.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
4. Illinois made sure to increase the number of clinics
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:12 PM
Apr 2022

near the states that border us. Some of them have restrictive abortion laws. Our great governor announced this and is very proud of it.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
7. The problem with Texas is, it's enormous
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:21 PM
Apr 2022

A woman could travel 500 miles and still be far from the nearest state border that allows abortions.

And the women most in need of abortions typically don't have the ability or funds to pay for 2 days and a hotel stay traveling.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
13. Or the ability to get time off from work... even if they had the money.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:02 PM
Apr 2022

Imagine.... "Boss, I need three days off to get an abortion in a nearby state.."
How's that gonna go over in the Red states.

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
16. It has been reported that a Major clinic/hospital in Illinois?
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:08 PM
Apr 2022

are providing free bus tickets, and accommodations for any woman who applies, from any state in the Union.......

Thunderbeast

(3,400 posts)
10. The Oregon Legislature approved funding to support border clinics.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 02:34 PM
Apr 2022

Ontario will be getting a Planned Parenthhod clinic to provide health services to Idaho women...

You're welcome.

childfreebychoice

(476 posts)
15. Money is needed to travel outside states for abortion, many women are hard pressed to even come up
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:05 PM
Apr 2022

with abortion fees. This has never been about abortion but, as some old, white lady at a rethug meeting shouted, "we need more white babies." Black women have more abortions, so there will just be more fodder for low-waged jobs

childfreebychoice

(476 posts)
17. Another serious issue, many med schools are no longer teaching abortion skills skills
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:09 PM
Apr 2022

Over md rethug gov hogan's objection, money was allocated to train nurse practitioners, midwives, and physicians assistants to do abortions. Glad md has Dem majority congress

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
19. Return to the states
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:15 PM
Apr 2022

before Roe. A friend of mine went to New York from Ohio. She traveled alone because they could not aford for her boyfriend to go too. This is where it's headed.

Old Crank

(3,525 posts)
23. The red states will be setting up
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:25 PM
Apr 2022

Border check points for women traveling out of state.
They will be demanding pregnancy tests.
They have already said they want to stop women from going elsewhere to get an abortion.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
24. Repukes will still refuse food, housing and healthcare to mothers!
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 03:25 PM
Apr 2022

This is so ignorant.
How about we sterilize all men who donate to an unwanted pregnant. Clip um.
Also no little blue pill unless you are married and have a note from your wife.

world wide wally

(21,738 posts)
26. I thought the Supreme Court ruled that abortion was legal and that it was settled law.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 06:03 PM
Apr 2022

So, how have they managed to circumvent this and outlaw abortion in so many states in spite of what the Constitution says?

Mad_Machine76

(24,392 posts)
36. They're hoping that SCOTUS
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 01:06 PM
Apr 2022

overrules Roe v. Wade or severely limits it when they hand their ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson in June.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
29. It's just weird to me how different two neighboring states can be
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 08:33 PM
Apr 2022

I thought Idaho was big on not wanting government in your life. But they are fine with the government forcing citizens to give birth? Again this law is about control and "power" over women. It's never been about some moral prerogative that a fetus longs to be born.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
32. Question: So how will our republic reconcile such a stark difference between the states?
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 01:59 AM
Apr 2022

Answer: It won’t.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
35. You know the funniest part of Horsey's cartoon
Mon Apr 18, 2022, 12:44 PM
Apr 2022

Is that it’s already true.

The right to choose in Washington predates Roe. Before Roe there was a clinic in Spokane that’s now part of the Planned Parenthood network. My mom grew up in Bonners Ferry, which is the closest town to the Canadian border, in the early 1950s and she claims quite a few of her classmates who “got into trouble” (meaning they got pregnant) would “go to Spokane” (which is no mean feat; it’s well over 100 miles and the roads were not good back then) for abortions. People from Idaho who have needed to end pregnancies have always gone to Spokane.

There are three places in Idaho where abortions are done…and for most of the state they’re out of reach. Find an Idaho map and look up Boise and Idaho Falls. There are three clinics in the whole state. Two are in the Boise area, the third in Idaho Falls. It’s quicker and easier to get to Seattle from anywhere north of Moscow.

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