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... that there are still some elected Republicans out there who were NOT involved in participating in Trump's attempt to overthrow the US government, nor aiding and abetting said attempt by propagating the Big Lie, now is the time to either come clean or lawyer-up.
In case you missed it, the January 6th committee is compiling evidence on a daily basis. Texts are being unearthed, emails are being scrutinized, witnesses to discussions and events are spilling all they know.
Even Ivanka, Jared, and Guilfoyle have spent hours with the Committee - and if you think any of them have somehow outsmarted their interlocutors by not revealing damning information, you're as dumb as they are - and that's pretty fuckin' dumb.
You can rail against the Committee all you want - call it a witch-hunt, label it as a political stunt, dismiss it as a baseless attempt to smear a former "pResident" who remains blameless - despite all evidence to the contrary.
The fact remains that the facts are being uncovered, and they are incontrovertible.
"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party." And the only aid Republicans can now render to their ailing party is to admit to their crimes, denounce their loyalty to the self-serving Orange Idiot, and pray that they survive the political tsunami that is about to be unleashed.
BSdetect
(9,048 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... I don't expect anything that remotely resembles a show of integrity, patriotism - or a spine.
gab13by13
(32,335 posts)the rest are members of the Putin party.
bucolic_frolic
(55,143 posts)have not committed some form of perjury. They thought they could get away with it. They supported it at the time and some of them still do. They're transparent now? I'm skeptical.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Particularly as to Jared and Ivanka. Theyve seen no repercussions for anyone who has lied, and that makes me think they just said whatever they could make up at the moment - like they usually have done.
No confidence.
gab13by13
(32,335 posts)That is why they are testifying.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)It is still a federal crime to lie to congress.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)How long are we going to go down this same hole? Waiting for some magic justice is a waste of time. They told us Gaetz, a pretty low level guy, was done when his buddy got a sweet plea deal. No way he got a deal unless the indictment of a big fish was soon to follow. Nothing.
All these people are simply doing the smart thing, voluntarily going to the committee, answering a few benign questions, saying I don't recall a bunch. Its a bunch of nothing to stall until the midterms. Repugs take the House and it just switches to investigating Hunter Biden. And every right winger will be typing this same type of stuff...'any day now the entire Dem criminal organization will be arrested'.
They thought any day Hillary would be arrested, we think any day Gaetz or 1-6 higher ups will be arrested. It NEVER happens. Wash, rinse, repeat.
We are in big trouble. Inflation, crime, nonsense about lefties running schools are all swing voters care about. The 1-6 committee could hold 1000000 public hearings starting today and not one dang swing voter would care.
We need to stop making ourselves feel better with this false hope. We need to fight the Repug messaging on crime, inflation, education because that what will determine if Dems lose both the House and the Senate. This could be a historic loss of seats unless the tide turns.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)Look, every single thing you say SHOULD happen. Of course these scum traitors should be arrested. But there is no evidence from Gaetz on up that anyone of consequence will be held accountable. And there is no evidence that swing voters care.
We have to deal with the polls and what is in our control. Dems is swing areas are in battles and are being hit with three things....inflation, crime, schools.
So the only thing we can control is to help our swing candidates battle back and hope for the best come midterms. Volunteer, donate, tell anyone who will listen that Dems are the best option for the future.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Why is it up to citizens to solve this? We elected these representatives based on campaign promises they made. Why is it OUR problem to figure out what THEY are supposed to do?
Do their jobs. Hold these criminals accountable. What punishment has Mark Meadows been served? Steve Bannon? Donald Trump? The only one who has been punished in any way is Michael Cohen and hes the one cooperating.
Enough already with the whats your solution distraction. This is a constant on DU.
We need action. Not distraction. What is your solution for that?
bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)They are doing what Members of Congress are supposed to do. They do not have criminal investigative authority. Their investigation is to gather information and come up with Legislative remedies for what happened on 1/6. It is the Job of the Justice Department to investigate, bring to trial and convict the Domestic Terrorists.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Calling out the Justice Department the way Joaquin Castro has been doing.
There are processes for getting this done. I lived through Watergate and by George, things got done with much less available to the people who were expected to get things done. We have Trump ON TAPE admitting treason. We have legal scholar after legal scholar demanding that he be charged. Its time for something to happen to him instead of excuse after excuse after excuse.
I see your point and Im not trying to argue with you. I am just sick of inaction and I expect more from those I vote for. If Garland isnt going to move, then he needs to be replaced. Time IS of the essence.
bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)members of congress should not be pushing justice to do anything.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I want Trump in jail and I do not understand anyone who does not. Time is running out.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)if not for pardons.
Trueblue Texan
(4,468 posts)...is that ACTUAL crimes took place on Jan 6 and we ALL witnessed it. We all know the threat posed to our democracy if Jan 6 goes unaccounted for. The American people who choose to ignore the extent of the crimes committed in the planning and execution of Jan 6 insurrection attempt, then THOSE Americans deserve to live under the kind of strong man regime they so stupidly believe they want to live under. In the meantime, the rest of us fight for democracy. If WE give up before the battle even begins, we also deserve to lose our democracy.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)Oh there's some magic justice coming alright, it'll start showing it's face when the Jan 6th Committee
have their televised hearings. It'll paint the R party as a group who will lie, cheat, & steal to hold on
to power, then we'll start asking the questions "R party turning Fascist? Can you trust them?" etc, etc.
There's a BIG BLUE WAVE coming to America with the midterms.
Novara
(6,115 posts)...I am dying to know what the committee has uncovered. Does the stuff that's been in the news encompass a large portion of what they know or is it a small portion? Some on the committee think there's enough evidence to sink them all. Are they saying that to scare them? To bluff? Do they really have the goods? Is it enough to get Garland to do something?
No one knows.
Trueblue Texan
(4,468 posts)...that after Joe Biden took office, the Repubs knew the gig was up and they might as well go for broke. That's why the accusations and threats against Democrats became wilder, the extreme right reach became bolder and more outrageous with every passing day. They know it's now or never to take it over. Let's not help them. Let's keep holding our elected officials to account to uncover and punish every crime that contributed to the assault on our Democracy on Jan 6.
Novara
(6,115 posts)...about them going for broke.
It's the way I see all these bigoted laws against teaching all of American history, the anti-LGBT laws, etc. They feel progress and the changing demographics of America breathing down the backs of their necks and are scared shitless that America will stop being a white male dominated country. They feel that allowing others to have the same rights they have somehow diminishes theirs, and they are scared shitless. So they go for broke and are desperately trying to force this country backwards into some white male dominated theocracy.
It's also a backlash against the Obama years. There's always a backlash.
In the same manner, they are desperate to hang on to whatever perceived power they think they have and can't admit they no longer have it. So they're going to destroy democracy in the process of trying frantically to be relevant. It's pathetic. Or, it would be pathetic if it wasn't so dangerous.
sop
(18,626 posts)They're hoping all these legislative poison pills will irreparably damage our democratic systems, allowing them to cling to power a little longer. It is pathetic.