OMG! Remember when Pence said, 'I'm not getting in that car'?

[Joinfortmill]

https://www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-secret-service/

Raskin suspects the vice president's Secret Service agents were reporting to Trump's agents, and the plan was to take Pence away from the Capitol to corrupt the certification process as part of the insurrection.

"[Pence then] uttered what I think are the six most chilling words of this entire thing I've seen so far: 'I'm not getting in that car,'" Raskin said. "He knew exactly what this inside coup they had planned for was going to do."

"It was a coup directed by the president against the vice president and against the Congress."

[Cracklin Charlie]

1. Exactly right!

Pence knew what was about to happen. He would probably be dead, along with democracy, had he taken that ride.

And, this was the last ditch effort.

[C Moon]

40. I wonder if the plan was to blame Antifa or even the Democratic party for his disappearance.

[70sEraVet]

41. "Mr. Vice President, we have a nice Saudi Prince that will take good care of you."

[TheBlackAdder]

51. Even he watched The Godfather. His spider senses were tingling. 🕷

[AdamGG]

66. Tessio was alwas smarter...

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Much is made of Pence's patriotism here, and that may well be true

but an alt read is that he feared for his life if he went with them, and figured instinctively in the moment that he would be better off with the Congressional crowds around him.

[CrispyQ]

4. I totally agree he feared for his life!

I'm betting he didn't even know at the time that the crowd had a symbolic gallows & noose & were chanting "Hang Mike Pence." Pence was acting on the knowledge that Trump would do anything to stay in power. "I could kill the Vice President of the country and not lose voters."

[lastlib]

7. Wouldn't make much sense for them to off Pence at that point....

...and put Pelosi next in succession line. Probly their intent was to get him out of the Capitol and keep him from doing the count.

[sop]

13. He would have been taken to an undisclosed location "for his safety," never to return for the count.

[oldsoftie]

22. In that case Grassley would have taken over & done it.

Not to diminish the stand that Pence took, but him getting locked inna closet wouldn't have stopped the count from being validated.

[ToxMarz]

32. I that case, we will never know what Grassley would or would not have done since it never happened.

And whatever he may or may not have done would be argued invalid (just where we are now) until eternity by which ever side didn't like what he did or didn't do.

[oldsoftie]

48. Grassley did vote to accept the Electoral count that day

Unlike some of the idiots

[ToxMarz]

54. Yes, but that was the "easier" correct thing to do and one would hope he would do the right thing

But that isn't the same as Pence having been taken to an undisclosed location "for his safety," never to return for the count and Grassley taking over. With pressure on him to do the wrong thing from his fellow Repukes and crazy rioters, and him holding all the cards, we'll never know how he would have reacted.

[wnylib]

42. Did the coup plotters know that Grassley

could have taken over?

[oldsoftie]

46. Probably not since most of them are dipshits.

[MagickMuffin]

19. The sitting US president names the VP replacement and Congress votes on it

So, sorry no VP Pelosi.

Article II of the US Constitution was vague on several points about succession. Following the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the 25th Amendment was drafted to make it explicit. Ratified in 1967, it answers your question.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Only six years after its ratification this section was used twice in 14 months. Spiro Agnew resigned as Nixon's VP, and was replaced by Gerald Ford. After Nixon resigned and Ford became president, Nelson Rockefeller became VP.

[lastlib]

29. Not saying she would BECOME Vice-President....

but she is next in succession behind the VP.

[wnylib]

45. That's next in line for the presidency

in case both the president and vice president are unable to do their job. The speaker is not in the line of succession to the vice presidency.

At the time of the coup attempt, Trump was still president, so Pelosi would have remained as Speaker and Trump could have appointed a VP replacement for Pence, one who would do his bidding. Didn't even have to kill Pence. Just make him too Ill to function for several weeks, or threaten him to make him resign.

[lastlib]

58. I never said she was in line for vice-president.

(I've read the Presidential Succession Act.) TFG could have apponted a VP replacement, but a Democratic Congress would NEVER have approved an appointment, with inauguration two weeks away. My point was that TFG would NEVER have made Speaker Pelosi next in line for the presidency behind him.

[whopis01]

78. Trump didn't care who was next in line behind him

He could care less if it was Pence or Pelosi.

His goal was to remain as President. He didn’t care who was next in line. Trump wanted Pence out of that position because Pence wasn’t going to try to keep Trump in power.

[Captain Zero]

57. And plenty of Maga wanted to kill Pelosi

That day.

Trump would have used Pelosi's, Grassley's and Pence's deaths to declare martial law until he could have the ARMY RUN ANOTHER ELECTION. Under Martial law he remains president, unless he had got killed too, THEN POMPEO would have been president.

I say DOJ needs to look at what POMPEO was doing from election day until Jan. 6.

[Pachamama]

20. What if Pelosi was also part of the plan?

[Hekate]

24. I'm sure she was. They were going to behead the line of succession.

I agree with Raskin about how chilling Pence’s words were: he knew. That call-out to Mme Speaker had the same effect on me — the insurrectionists meant to kill them both.

[tikka]

37. This gives even more import to Boebert texting Nancy's location

[Hekate]

39. Yes it does

[ShazzieB]

70. Holy crap!

It sure does.

[calimary]

52. Accessory to attempted murder.

But if the mob had had its way there’d have been few left standing to uphold the law and seek accountability.

God only knows what a mob fired up into a grievance frenzy like that would have done. I don’t even want to think about it.

[DENVERPOPS]

56. They would have identified

every Dem Senator and house member, and every Dem aide and it would have been a house of horrors. With Pence thrown in for disobeying Trumps orders to overthrow the election.

Pence obviously had been privy to many interactions between Trump and certain Secret Service Agents on his presidential detail.
He knew that many of them were loyal to Trump, and not to the office he held.

He knew he shouldn't trust the so called "agents" that he didn't know or recognize to drive him anywhere.......His survival depended on that decision, but you would never know it the way he is still carrying on trying to obliterate the dems and suck up to the Repubs like January 6th never happened, and as if they hadn't tried to take him out..........

Grassley would have done what ever Trump and the Republicans would have asked him..........

[calimary]

61. Yep. ANYTHING (or ANYONE) they viewed as standing in their way.

Pelosi would have been one of the early targets. And out of fear, cowardice, or mendacious greed and ravenous opportunism, the mob would have thrown any remaining caution to the wind. They genuinely believed that THEY had some “mantle of truth and entitlement” giving cover to whatever ends they went to, to justify their means.

At least that’s my suspicion.

Every last one of ‘em belongs behind bars.

[treestar]

62. In their minds it would be Trump they were putting in

[soldierant]

64. They had designs on Pelosi also.

Remember "Nancy! Oh Naaan-cee! Where are you, Nancy?"

[czarjak]

74. Protocol wasn't even in the mix, so guess what doesn't make sense.

[PatSeg]

11. Absolutely

[2naSalit]

8. Yup.

[Javaman]

27. damn straight. he didn't get in that car out of patriotism, he didn't get into it because

the orange asshole and his room full of crooks would have killed him and would have blamed "antifa" or the left of BLM or anyone they felt convenient at the time.

[wryter2000]

92. That's what I think

If the plan was just to take him somewhere he could have had an excuse to do what Trump wanted. He’d already been looking for a reason to do that.

[keithbvadu2]

5. Don't get in the car!

[geardaddy]

28. I had the same scene in mind!

[Backseat Driver]

33. I was remembering Miller's Crossing...n/t

[brush]

6. Pence has good instincts, not much of a spine though.

At least his instincts saved the certification of the vote. If he'd gotten in that car, it wouldn't have happened.

And who knows what would've happened to him?

[Samrob]

80. He, too, has a criminal mind. It wasn't 'patriotism' it was smart fear! nt

[Samrob]

82. Funny how the safest place for Pence on Jan6 was with the Dems hiding out. nt

[brush]

90. Yep. Fear sweat.

[Emile]

9. Well he had enough common sense to see through this.

[vanlassie]

44. He had seen enough to see through this.

[wnylib]

47. He had inside knowledge. He knew what was being

demanded of him. And the possible consequences of refusing.

[milestogo]

10. The car was supposed to take him to the gallows.

[Bettie]

12. It also makes you think about recent developments

with regard to Secret Service agents.

I doubt their commitment to protecting our President and VP. Not all of them, but there sure seem to be some bad apples in there.

[Joinfortmill]

16. It's why Biden asked for his old crew back. Need to clean that house out.

[Frustratedlady]

81. My first thought when I read the story about the two men who were "gifting" SS agents

with expensive apartments, gifts, etc. It was a big news story a week or so ago, then it disappeared.

One of the SS agents was assigned to Jill Biden, wasn't he? There should have been some heads rolling.

[Bettie]

83. As I recall, there were agents involved

who were on Jill Biden's detail and Kamala Harris'.

[Frustratedlady]

84. OK. I didn't know about Kamala Harris. Thanks.

[Hekate]

25. I think that agency is overdue for a purge

[intheflow]

59. Yeah, that's what jumped out at me, too.

Who were the Trump agents that thought it was okay to disrupt the election by convincing other agents to kidnap the VP to disrupt the vote. FFS, that should be the lead of this story.

[dalton99a]

14. Kick

[Achilleaze]

15. The Republican Wars on Truth, Decency, and US Democracy

Shall not stand. Let justice prevail. Lock the Republican traitors up.

[gratuitous]

17. Doesn't this sound like something Pence should be asked about?

Preferably under oath, with a court reporter taking it all down? Or is that wild-eyed radical ungoodthink?

[FakeNoose]

18. Pence refused to leave the Capitol campus, and stayed until the early hours of Jan. 7th

It wasn't that he feared for his life or safety. It was that the secret service agents wanted to get him away from there, and then he couldn't complete the task of confirming Biden's election.

Mike Pence may be guilty of a lot of things, however on January 6th he was determined to see it through and complete his job. He never tried to subvert the Electoral College or delay Biden's confirmation. THAT was Chump's plan, and Pence refused to go along with it - to the point of saying "No!" to Chump's face.

Was Mike Pence a hero? Well no, because a hero would have invoked the 25th Amendment and declared Chump unfit and removed him from office. Pence never did that despite numerous opportunities.

[LiberalArkie]

21. Pence is a conservative asshole, but was a traitor.

[LittleGirl]

63. Bingo! eom

[H2O Man]

23. Correct.

[oldsoftie]

26. Pence would've needed a majority of Cabinet members to agree on the 25th.

Along with 2/3 of both houses.
He couldn't do it.

[Tommymac]

67. If he had done it on Jan 7th it very well COULD have have passed.

I sincerely believe that. And Lying McCarthy proves it in his taped conversation with Liz Cheney.

IMO between 1-7-21 and 1-20-21 this would have passed, McConnell and McCarthy would have given their members the green light to vote their conscience.

[Hortensis]

49. I believe FakeNoose's is the most credible scenario for Pence himself that afternoon.

There is verified evidence that supports that. I'm no Pence admirer, far from it, but Pence refusing to be taken away for his own safety in order to remain to carry out his part of the certification fits that scenario.

At this point, what plots may have swirled among those trying to find a way to pull off their coup d'etat are speculation and conspiracism based on what MIGHT have come to their minds. I'm sure many of them would have done anything, though, and any that aren't already disproven (whether we know it or not) could conceivably be true.

I've put a pin in it.

[empedocles]

77. Saw a few minutes of movie 'Reds', Willis thing. Pretty convoluted - [also].

Seemed to me, [in my scanty viewing] that there was a nefarious? plot to get the VP into a car and abduct him.

[My wife had seen a few minutes at some earlier time, she couldn't tell whether it was a movie double fake trick play or a triple thick play. I turned it all off].

[usonian]

30. Looks like the "Good Qristian" Mike Pence has seen some gangster movies.

You don't "get in that car".

For a more detailed account of gangsters, read "The Way of the Wiseguy" by "Donnie Brasco" Joe Pistone.
Specifically chapter 34 of the same name.

As for the resemblance to certain politicians and parties, the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

[Midnight Writer]

31. Whatever brave "stand" Pence may have made, it was undone by his subsequent actions.

Along with all the other Republicans who denounced Trump that day, only to later walk it all back.

[Novara]

34. It could mean two different things

Either he was in fear for his life or he knew they'd overturn the election.

It's damning either way.

[lame54]

35. Words Pence should have said...

When asked to be VP candidate

[gab13by13]

36. Let's not give the Secret service a pass,

that entire agency needs to be scrutinized. Now this is back in the 70's but I knew someone who got into the SS, he was the son of a Mafiosa criminal.

[raccoon]

76. If you'd said the 60's, I'd think, JFK! Nt

[Kid Berwyn]

79. Abraham Bolden

Secret Service didn't like African Americans in 1963. Ask Agent Abraham Bolden.

Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.

In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10025609769

He’s advanced in years, but still sharp.

[kentuck]

38. I wonder if two of Pence's Secret Service were the two "infiltrators"?

I would not be surprised.

[Iggo]

43. Three Days Of The Condor.

Don’t get in the car.

(Funny thing is, in that movie, right after the assassin tells him that’s how they’ll try to get him, the assassin offers him a ride and he gets right into the car. Cracks me up every time…lol.)

[2Gingersnaps]

50. And the worst damn part is McCarthy and Pence both knew

and then turn around and lay cover for a traitor who definitely did not care if Pence was hung. It would have given him the excuse he needed.

[MustLoveBeagles]

53. Not getting in that car was the smartest decision Pence ever made

[Hugin]

55. Wow.

Yet, they all still walk free. To run their proxy government from historically anti-United States areas of the nation.

Nope... Not getting better.

[mrsadm]

60. I hope they didn't plan to kill him

[betsuni]

65. I think Mother Pence was the one with the bad feeling, told him not to get into any cars.

[cab67]

68. Are we sure they were really Secret Service?

Not suggesting they were assassins or anything - but perhaps they were from one of those private security services and were hired to get Pence away from the ballots?

[True Blue American]

89. They reported to Trumps agents

Pence knew that.

Joe Biden insisted on having his old agents. They need to be investigated, too! Who was in that car? They have records.

[Evolve Dammit]

71. Raskin nails it. Pence knew. Could he testify next please??

[BobTheSubgenius]

73. It is certainly VERY ominous, and not hard to connect the dots...at least by solid inference.

But there is no smoking gun that I know of. I sure HOPE there is one, and that we get to see it soon.

[True Blue American]

75. I saw that right away when I first heard it.

It was perfectly clear they planned to kidnap Pence. He knew what was taking place.

The media has never given Pence the credit he deserves. That hang Pence was clear. The Trump gang would have not been bothered at all. They are all gangsters. Some just hangers on, but very much a part of an attempted Coup.

I can not wait for the public hearings.

[Ilsa]

86. He knew martial law would be declared if he

was killed or disappeared. Martial law was part of the big plan.("Green Bay Sweep&quot

[True Blue American]

88. 100%!

[BlueJac]

87. I still doubt anything will happen to these people!

I sure hope I am wrong.

[niyad]

91. Remember grassley saying he would be running things? My evil, nasty,

suspicious little mind can see a scenario where white satan gets into that car, and suffers a "heart attack". Not necessarily fatal, but incapacitating. chuckie steps in, and the rest goes according to plan.

Wayyyyyy too close a call.

[John1956PA]

93. A scene akin to that in "Three Days of the Condor" (1976).

The professional hitman, Javert (portrayed by Max Von Sydow) warned Condor (portrayed by Robert Redford) that, one day, a car would pull up and someone familiar to him would exit it and offer a ride. Javert's advice was to the effect, "Do not get in the car." Sure enough, the scenario eventually played out when a car pulled up and the CIA operative (portrayed by Cliff Roberson) offered a ride to Condor, who wisely declined.

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