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Nevilledog

(54,710 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 10:40 PM Apr 2022

Jamie Raskin Says He Has Consulted Cult Experts To Communicate With Extremist Colleagues




https://www.yahoo.com/news/jamie-raskin-says-consulted-cult-234948262.html

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) revealed that he has sought advice from “cult deprogrammers” on how best to communicate with his extremist Republican colleagues — and “pull them away” from their alternative realities.

He has told some of those colleagues, “If you guys don’t get out of this, you’re going to be fit when it’s all over only to be selling incense and flowers at Dulles Airport,” Raskin recounted Thursday in Washington D.C. at a “Truth and Trauma” talk hosted by Georgetown University’s Center on Faith and Justice.

“They’ve abandoned critical thinking skills,” added Raskin, who sits on the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.

He said deprogramming experts have told him to be “as warm and affectionate and as personable as you can be with them and make them remember what life was like before they got into the cult.”

But “you have to be very emphatic about what the truth is and what facts are versus what is just derangement,” he added.

*snip*


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ffr

(23,322 posts)
1. I'm giving it a less than 0% chance of them snapping out of their cult tendencies.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 10:44 PM
Apr 2022

Russians and republicans are one in the same, mindless programmable deadly drones.

MerryBlooms

(12,133 posts)
2. It's all about money. The cult would disappear if Republicans
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 10:54 PM
Apr 2022

Started going to jail for the ripping off the idiots. Meanwhile, Republicans are laughing all the way to their offshore accounts.

Funtatlaguy

(11,872 posts)
3. Bless him for trying but these people
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 10:55 PM
Apr 2022

Need professional reprogramming.
Even then, the success rate isn’t good.

Response to aeromanKC (Reply #4)

usonian

(23,349 posts)
5. You can't de-program in a short time. You can only outnumber them and deny them real power.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 11:13 PM
Apr 2022

The hard core are like addicts.
And the people that Jamie Raskin is referring to are not ordinary citizens, they are owned/blackmailed/scared.
I am referring to voters.
Ignore the gonzo ones.
There are people "at the edge" who can be flipped. They went on for the joy ride.

Maga is a cult, and cults trap you in ways similar to ways that addiction does.
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16616466

(snip)

And one escapes often by "hitting rock bottom", when the lies and contradictions are overwhelming, or through outside acts of kindness (which can be rejected repeatedly until they aren't)

The hope is that enough people come to their senses to tip close races.

Elections seem to be won "at the edge"
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16589262

... what we can do is message the self-destructive nature of the cult and the wacky projection in the sense of "Every accusation is a confession."
More at the link above.


This may look a little disjointed, but it's late and I am plagiarizing myself.

Steven Maurer

(510 posts)
7. They pretend like they're in a cult, but they're actually in 1984...
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 11:42 PM
Apr 2022

Held hostage by "the Party" and their hate filled voters.

It's not that they don't know they're lying, it's that they don't care.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
8. all he has to do is recognize the dittohead cult, the cult all these subcults depend on. unfortunate
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:17 AM
Apr 2022

unfortunately the media and the analysts that are supposed to be doing their homework are still asleep and blaming it on minor players like social media ...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. They are hopeless, Jamie.
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 02:22 AM
Apr 2022

It's good of you to try, but these people are really just hopeless.

no_hypocrisy

(54,147 posts)
14. My experience in Germany in 1979 and 1989
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 05:29 AM
Apr 2022

1979 -- I was invited to a private Jaeger Party (selected members who are hunters) where they blew their hunters' horns, ate their version of BBQ, drank beer, and sang songs. The songs were Nazi songs. No two ways about it. And sang with gusto. When my drunk friend announced there was a Jew at the table (me), they suddenly stopped singing and looked warily at me. Not a good situation. We left shortly thereafter.

1989 -- I was staying in a home near Wetzler. The head of the house invited me to the basement, where his "bar" was. Also in the basement was a glass covered box with Nazi memorabilia. Stuff like belt buckles (Gott mit uns/God is with us), daggers, and lots of swastikas.

My point: Even though Germany was defeated (again) in WWII, and Hitler killed himself, there will always be those who long for "the good ole days", meaning the Third Reich. I expect the MAGAs won't disappear, but go underground like the Nazis and their descendants.

tanyev

(48,589 posts)
16. Yep. The swift emergence of this in the last few years is evidence that it was always there,
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 07:56 AM
Apr 2022

simmering under the surface. A lot of people have been waiting for someone like Donald Trump to come along and embolden them.

dalton99a

(91,864 posts)
17. +1. Most senior officials in the Nazi regime were never prosecuted
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 09:14 AM
Apr 2022

The 200 or so who were tried at Nuremberg and elsewhere were the worst of the worst who got caught

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
15. While I'm sure some Republicans in Congress are just as cultish...
Sun Apr 24, 2022, 06:59 AM
Apr 2022

…as Republican voters at large, there are many (most?) who aren’t delusional at all. They just want power at any price.

Deprogramming cult members is hard enough. Deprogramming immoral naked ambition would be a much harder task.

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