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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInteresting analysis of the DeStupid Disney thingy (found on Facebook)
WFTV reporter Nick Papantonis posted the info below on his Twitter account. Papantonis was the recipient of a Regional Edward R. Murrow Award for investigative reporting in 2020.
"Theres a lot of misinformation and confusion about what the end of Disneys Reedy Creek district means for the company and for taxpayers. Heres what I know, after talking to lobbyists, lawyers and tax officials:
For those of you who havent heard, Reedy Creek is the special tax district of Walt Disney World. Its essentially its own city. Disney pays taxes to Reedy Creek, which operates a fire department, planning department, sewer treatment plant and public works department. Disney controls Reedy Creek, which means if they want to build a new hotel or highway, they just have to ask themselves for permission.
The biggest loss for Disney is the end of that control. Its a lot easier to ask yourself for permission than to go to the county. While they already follow all laws and building codes and theyll still get everything they want, its going to slow the process down. Potholes might develop on roads that they no longer pave themselves. They cant just call a meeting or alter their comprehensive plan on a random Friday. They also cant quickly finance new public projects like a fire station.
The bigger issue for everyone else is the tax revenue. Disney already pays the same local property taxes as every other landowner. Reedy Creek added its own tax on top of that to pay for its projects. That tax $163 million per year is illegal outside of the district. When Reedy Creek goes away, that tax goes away, and Orange and Osceola Counties cant do anything to get it back.
However, the counties will now be responsible for all of the services Reedy Creek provides and all of the debt it has accumulated. They cant raise sales taxes or impact fees. So, the counties will have to raise property taxes to make up the difference. They must tax every property equally not just Disney and therefore its expected that property taxes in Orange County will rise as much as 25% next June. Osceola, much smaller and less wealthy, is still working on its figures.
Lawyers largely agree that the state followed all the laws while doing this. They agree Disney may sue, but probably doesnt have much ground to stand on. Some believe a vote of residents or delegates from the district is required to make this legal. That doesnt appear to be the case here because a vote was never held to implement the district 55 years ago.
Essentially, Disney will lose some control of its property, and get a $163 million per year tax break and ~$1 billion of debt passed onto taxpayers. Some things will be negotiated Disney still controls Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, two actual towns within RCID. Lawmakers might backtrack from this plan during the next session now that theyre realizing what theyve done. However, aside from maybe taking away the companys ability to build a nuclear plant, we have yet to hear how this benefits Florida and especially the local residents in any way.
The residents, by the way, had no say in this vote, no say in their property taxes going through the roof, and no desire to have their communities staring at financial ruin thanks to 72 hours of orchestrated revenge."
skylucy
(4,024 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,346 posts)It is going to take some serious reading of the paperwork before that can be determined. I'll wait for the Disney lawyers to let us know they give up.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)That Disney has a great case. And also, you gotta figure that desatan will lose a lot of corporate backing for his shenanigans. I'm no corporatist, but I hope Disney wins against Florida and gets back every perk that was taken ftom them and more.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)DeSantis actually didn't follow laws, he broke state and Federal laws to do this.
Baitball Blogger
(52,346 posts)My city continually ignored due process in land development, until it was something they could use against someone. This kind of abuse should have been expected In Florida where we have lawyers who think it's okay to be public and private attorneys at the same time, and if they don't personally have a conflict of interest, someone in the law firm can provide one for them.
Since it's a good ole boy state where lawyers are not good at policing each other the people are continually being legally underrepresented. Our old City Attorney wouldn't even support charges against another lawyer who did harm to our city because, well, he might have to work with him. I have to dig up the city meeting records to find the exact wording, but it is along those lines.
Florida lawyers are so accustom at not being held accountable for the bad advice they give in public office that it's no surprise that someone like De Santis would rise to the top and think he could do anything.
question everything
(52,134 posts)business could get away with bad debts. I wonder whether this is still the case.
Baitball Blogger
(52,346 posts)Especially if they have friends in the business network and are willing to provide support to the politically connected people who need bodies to frighten and harass other people. Or, just to commit fraud to silence us in city hall meetings. Thats what they did to me and my family. Its a network that ensures that our communities are kept in fear and uncertainty. Deep in the rabbit hole.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Lunabell
(7,309 posts)I think corporations will think twice about backing him after this.
Layzeebeaver
(2,286 posts)If he ever had some 🥴
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)Including a big donation not too long ago
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)nice.
He's unreliable.
Diablo del sol
(424 posts)Disney is now in a win/win situation. At worst they get a haircut on some of the debt they, a private corporation ran up.
They have people defending them who otherwise would have despised them.
Metaphorical
(2,634 posts)Disney underpins the Florida economy. Were Disney to leave, it would devastate the state. While I agree that, in general, it's bad to let any given business become that central to the economy of a state, I'd also argue that, in this case, Disney has been a responsible steward, which makes DeSantos' moves just all the more unfathomable. There's arrogance, then there's DeSantos.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)Only 19 states have those, and Florida's not one of them.
https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall
Phoenix61
(18,828 posts)taxes to the county for decades and gotten jack squat return. Now the county will have to provide the services theyve been getting paid to provide.
Diablo del sol
(424 posts)And as a part of the negotiations the County will take on Disney debt. Taxes will go up on home owners for debt run up by Disney.
Disney would rather have Repukes in power, would rather transfer it's debt, can come across as supporting employees and their rights. To get this they just need to sit back and deal with ignorant repuke bashing for a few weeks.
BadgerKid
(5,005 posts)The GOP is batting .667 on this one.
Beartracks
(14,593 posts)But then so is Trump, and that's turned out to be dangerous for democracy.
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lostnfound
(17,520 posts)What they say in public may not be what they said to desantis when they donated.
maxrandb
(17,428 posts)How many of them voted for DeDipshit?
question everything
(52,134 posts)maxrandb
(17,428 posts)If Americans really gave a shit about Democracy and decency, Retrumplicans would lose to a ham sandwich.
It as almost like saying; "well, Putin had a week opponent in a land that leans fascist."
Democrats and sane people need to do a better job of voting against evil.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)been increased because of this. It doesnt even go into effect until 6/23. I predict it will not happen as Disney stocks are on the downside since this war started.
Should Florida really end this relationship with Disney no one really knows the outcome because it will be a first
maxrandb
(17,428 posts)Is like watching Hitler fight Stalin.
I don't really care who wins, I just root for a lot of injuries.